Obama and The Religious Vote: An Update

A theme that I like to return to every once in awhile when we get news on it, is about Barack Obama and The Religious Vote.
Ever since I read this post on PoliticalInaction.com, putting for the supposition that most of the attacks on Obama by the GOP were not just race related, but religion related, I have kept an eye open to see how far on or off the money the blogger was. I believe the blogger is on the money.
The ‘ Obama is a Muslim’ LIE that arrives in the emailbox every Monday.
The ‘ Obama has a problem with the Jews’ LIE that arrives in the emailbox every Tuesday.
The entire attack on Trinity UCC and Jeremiah Wright.
All were done to undermine Barack Obama and his religious standing.
So, what do the latest polls say?
According to David Brody of CBN:
For the most part, the various faith communities of the U.S. currently support Sen. Obama for the presidency. Among the 19 faith segments that The Barna Group tracks, evangelicals were the only segment to throw its support to Sen. McCain. Among the larger faith niches to support Sen. Obama are non-evangelical born again Christians (43% to 31%); notional Christians (44% to 28%); people aligned with faiths other than Christianity (56% to 24%); atheists and agnostics (55% to 17%); Catholics (39% vs. 29%); and Protestants (43% to 34%). In fact, if the current preferences stand pat, this would mark the first time in more than two decades that the born again vote has swung toward the Democratic candidate.
Now, isn’t that interesting?
I guess Martin Luther King, Jr., was just a big old faking athiest then.
And, I guess Black folks(the strongest base of the Democratic Party) are just pretending to go to church more than any group IN THIS COUNTRY, according to the latest study on religion by Pew. When we get in there, well, we’re just pagans, I suppose.
You mean, Christianity meaning more than abortion and homosexuals?
NO!
Really?
Yes, Liasson is a stooge over at Fox Noise.
So, Obama’s Christianity is ‘ ironic’ when he’s not being a Muslim and having problems with The Jews.
A Reminder: Obama and McCain will be at Rick Warren’s Church this Saturday, August 16th. The ‘Compassion Forum’ will be broadcast on CNN.
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Obama--FRist with religious folk!
Fancy that. Guess you contards couldn't convince anyone else about that Muslim lie.
You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury
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By LiberalIconoclastAugust 14, 2008 - 6:45pmMakes sense to me.
Even within religious circles, ONLY THE FAR RIGHT-WING KOOKS support McLame.
BRING ON THE RAPTURE!
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By A GAugust 15, 2008 - 6:36amI never understood the whole
I never understood the whole "religious people are conservatives" line. I always thought I was pretty religious (but not Christian so maybe that accounts for it) but I am pretty liberal in my political views. I think the whole idea that religious people should be conservative Republicans is just a line of hogwash the far right has been spewing and the media dummies have bought hook, line and sinker.
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By RocketjsquirellAugust 15, 2008 - 11:03amI know what you mean.
I feel the same way. Except, I don't think the media is being hoodwinked.
I think that the corporations and individuals that own and control the media actively participate in the hogwash because they benefit from it. Which isn't to say that the worker bees in the media have selfish reasons for perpetuating propaganda, probably quite the contrary. But the worker bees don't call the shots. That's for management and ultimately the executives in charge.
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By phoenix09August 15, 2008 - 1:07pmThe mistaken perception.
I think the mistake here is that "religious" is mistakenly equated with "evengelical".
After David Kuo's inside-the-White-House expose "Tempting Faith", you'd think even evengelicals would wise up to the fact that conservatives have used them like two-dollar whores while laughing at them behind their backs.
"David Kuo came to Washington wanting to use his Christian faith to end abortion, strengthen marriage, and help the poor. He reached the heights of political power, ultimately serving in the White House under George W. Bush...
Yet his experience was deeply troubling... his Christian values, and those of millions of Americans, were being corrupted by politics. Instead of following the teachings of Jesus to serve the needy, Kuo found himself helping to manipulate religious faith for political gain. Public funds were used in battleground states, for Republican campaign events. The legislative process was used as a football, not to pass laws but to deepen purely symbolic fault lines. Grants were incestuously recycled to political cronies...
Key Bush aides and Republican operatives spoke of them with contempt and treated them as useful idiots."
http://tinyurl.com/64a9l4
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By A GAugust 15, 2008 - 1:30pmBet Fat-Ass Falwell is spinning in his grave!
And Robertson's ready to slit his throat, which would be a GOOD thing!
"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin
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By Pookie2112August 15, 2008 - 11:30amif only
I didn't believe in Karma. See what faith does?!!!
Anyway I guess I can still enjoy the visual that your post has provided....ahhhhhh!
Thanx Pook!
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By justintymeAugust 15, 2008 - 1:22pmHey, no problem!
Just doing my duty as a fellow lib!
"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin
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By Pookie2112August 15, 2008 - 1:26pmWhy should a candidate at any level pander to religious
conservatives. Maybe I'm wrong, but I could have sworn we live in a democracy, not a theocracy. Candidates in Iran HAVE to kowtow to the mullahs that have the real power, but that's not the way it should be in America. Leaders in the Middle East constantly have to appease religious parties or figures in order to be elected and stay in power, but that's not the way it should be in America. We constantly hear repubs decry the lack of democracy in the Middle East, but then they try to create the same system here. It is totally ludicrous. Think I'm wrong on this? How far do you think someone would go in state or national politics if they said they were atheists? How many Muslim or Buddhist presidents do you think we will see here in the next 50 years? If we didn't keep hearing the claptrap that a president has to be a person with strong CHRISTIAN values, it could happen, but since we see Obama being smeared as being a closet muslim, we know that this isn't going to change in our lifetimes. We are in fact a form of theocracy, a CHRISTIANS-ONLY club. You can be some other religion in America, and even have none at all if you like, but don't expect to ever have a shot at higher elective office in this "free and democratic" country.
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By UffdaguyAugust 15, 2008 - 2:19pmOblahma's religious standing??
Oblahma argued AGAINST a bill that would have given protection to babies that survive botched abortions. Oblahma said NO to medical treatment for these survivors that are seperate human beings from their "mothers". (I have no idea why they are called that) I guess Oblahma is happy that botched abortions are just tossed in a metal bowl until they stop crying, gotta have them thar stem cells so superman can walk again and Marty McFly can stop twitching..
Oblahma's religious standing is embracing controversial religious leaders with their anti-American and racist views when it helps his career, and disposing of them when they are no longer usefull.
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By tropicaltoadAugust 15, 2008 - 3:05pmMaybe there wouldn't be so many botched abortions if the
religious right wasn't trying so hard to make it a back alley procedure conducted by guys with coathangers. Maybe there wouldn't be so many botched abortions if clinics weren't being firebombed and doctors assassinated.
How about some proof that mothers run in to have an abortion so they can provide stem cells to medical researchers. I'll be waiting....and I'm sure I'll be collecting social security and watching astronauts walk on Mars before you can do that.
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By UffdaguyAugust 15, 2008 - 3:30pmWhy do you people insist on
Why do you people insist on calling people that murder their children "mothers"???
And I don't give a shit why they murder their children, I don't care if it's for convenience instead of stem cells, that is avoiding the fact that it is murder.
Obama is as far left as you can get on abortion. Anytime, any reason, on demand in the 9th month, none of that matters to Obama. Even if they have been born alive by mistake (oops), according to Obama, they are still not a real person unless the "mother" changes her mind about murdering a child. There is still time to choose murder, even if the child is alive, moving, struggling to survive and fighting for air according to Obama.
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By tropicaltoadAugust 15, 2008 - 8:09pmREAL LIFE BABY
Sorry, I don't get what you are saying. Are you saying it's better to force these women to have those children? If you don't believe that a women who had an abortion could be a good mother, then what would that same woman do to a real live baby? I don't believe you have thought this out.
Notice, Obama said if we would help these women and create a situation where the child could be taken care of, perhaps we could stop the abortions.
McCain just said no to abortion. If you didn't know what abortion was, you wouldn't even know it was connected to women. McStain didn't even mention women. McStain supports government support for Viagra but not birth control. His priorities are back asswards.
My favorite part of what "Flash Card" McCain's portion of the one on one with the good Reverend was his plan to help the middle class. McStain said there was a family with no job, who had lost their house, no education and no health insurance for their children. HE would give them, "Hope and Confidence". Yes, THAT WAS HIS PLAN!!!! To give them "Hope and Confidence".
If he was asked a question he hadn't rehearsed, he either ignored it or covered it with a different answer. He was asked to name the three wisest people in his life. He named a CEO, a man whose skull was cracked, and General David Petraeus. Those were the three "wise" people? Could he be any more lame?
His answer to fixing schools was to go to a better school and leave the bad ones behind. Seriously, who expects a man who graduated 5th from the Bottom out of 899 Cadets to have a serious position on educatio? He has never had a real job and he married a couple of hundred million. Of course, his wife doesn't trust him either. She made him sign a prenup. I wonder how much allowance she gives him? Hmmm, it's a thought.
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By deanrddAugust 17, 2008 - 2:31pmI hate to tell the christotards...
But Clinton was right. Safe, legal and rare. Safe because doctors who want that specialty will be trained properly, with no fear of being murdered by a right wing terrorist. Legal, because Roe v. Wade is the law of the land.
Last but not least, rare because a free society should provide access to safe-sex education, sexuality information, and inexpensive birth control to ANYONE irrespective of age, sex or sexual preference. No more abstinence-only, which DOES NOT WORK. No more ignoring gay and lesbian teens. And no more allowing drugstores, which provide a service, to refuse prescriptions for religious reasons.
I hate to tell those who would force me to live by their morality, but if you don't have those things in society, then you will have abortions...a lot more of them than any society needs.
You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury
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By LiberalIconoclastAugust 17, 2008 - 3:31pmJesus H. Fucking Christ, tadpole ...
You eat that propoganda bullshit hook, line and sinker. You should just have "SUCKER" tattooed to your forehead, or whatever you fucking frogs have.
"The justification for Hudson's misleading "infanticide" charge stems from a proposed state version of the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act, debated in Illinois when Obama was a state senator in 2001. The most well-publicized portion of that bill would have required that any "viable" fetus surviving a late-term abortion receive sustaining medical care (something which opponents of that bill said was already required by a 1975 bill in the state). But because Obama voted "no" in committee and "present" on the Senate floor, Hudson reasons, Obama must have been in favor of killing viable, born babies -- especially since the U.S. Congress also passed a "born alive" measure in 2002 in near unanimous fashion.
One significant problem with Hudson's logic is that it requires comparing apples to oranges. The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
Illinois State Representative Rosemary Mulligan sighed when the Huffington Post told her about the "infanticide" claim currently being leveled at Obama. As a pro-choice Republican who is supporting John McCain for president but also worked with Obama back in 2001, she described the first Illinois version of the Born Alive legislation as "a very onerous bill," adding that "I think that the hardcore, hard right conservative Catholics overreach on this one."
Something else Deal Hudson fails to note in his critique of Obama is the fact that the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/04/the-next-smear-against-ob_n_116...
"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin
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By Pookie2112August 15, 2008 - 3:37pmTropical Turd Goes Down In Flames...
... AGAIN! Frogglodytes sophistry only serves to illustrate how desperate the repukes really are! The constant attempts to 'swift boat' Obama will be their downfall. I wonder where shit head picked up that stinky talking point? Rush, Hannshitty?
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By othelloAugust 17, 2008 - 11:13amI mean, WTF?
Do these fucking contards have their heads THAT FAR up their asses? Of course if they throw bullshit out there like this, they're going to get it thrown RIGHT back ... I'm so tired of these morons, like tadpole, et.al. They are soooooooooooooooooooooooo DRAINING.
"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin
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By Pookie2112August 18, 2008 - 7:40am