McCain Should be Medicated, not President

By Booman Tribune

by clammyc
Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 03:24:27 PM EST

On a few occasions over the past couple of weeks, I have mentioned an initiative with respect to going on the attack against John McCain. With that, I have created a Google Group called “Know Your McCain” and we are looking to gather information (old and new), create viral videos, write blog posts and use social networking to spread the message about how dangerous John McCain is.

You can look for diaries with the tag “Know Your McCain”, and some diaries will have the “Know Your McCain” in the title as well. If you are interested in joining the Google Group or helping out with Facebook, please send me an email (address is in my profile).

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I’ll probably take some heat for this, but I am serious here, as the prospect of someone with anger issues, who holds grudges, doesn’t think about the implications of his words before he talks, is confrontational by nature and experience five years of torture (and the effects of it) being the President of the United States – especially now – is downright scary.

As recently as 2000, McCain stated “I hated the gooks. I’ll hate them as long as I live”. While this is disturbing in and of itself, regardless of the horrors that he had to endure, the fact that he was tortured for 5 years should be considered as far as both the dedication to his country that he showed then, and the far reaching impact on him, his psyche and how he views the world.

If this was an isolated incident, then that would be one thing – and even somewhat explainable (even if unacceptable to all Asians). But more recently, McCain did it again when Bud Day, a leading campaign surrogate said that ”the Muslims are going to kill us, and he refused to disavow the comments that painted only one billion people with the same broad brush – let alone in a most confrontational way.

But it still goes way deeper than that. We know the amount of stress that an individual who is at war endures. We have seen many many soldiers return with various levels of PTSD, and our own CIA declassified documents that were prepared in the 1960s that dealt with brainwashing and torture. Other than the fact that there are “interrogation techniques” referred to as “torture” in these documents that are way less extreme than some that our own administration and much of the republican party thinks is just peachy keen, there are some interesting notes.

For starters, note the passage in bold regarding isolation. John McCain spent approximately 2 years in solitary confinement. That’s a helluva long time. The CIA document referenced in the link above (the link in the diary is broken but if you play around with it, you can get to the entire document) has the following to say about isolation and the impact on a person subjected to it (emphasis mine):

A major aspect of his prison experience is isolation. Man is a social animal; he does not live alone. From birth to death, he lives in the company of his fellow man. His relations with other people and, especially with those closest to him, are almost as important to him as food or drink. When a man is totally isolated, he is removed from all of the interpersonal relations which are so important to him and taken out of the social role which sustains him. His internal as well as his external life is disrupted.

---snip---

After a few days it becomes apparent to the prisoner that his activity avails him nothing and that will he will be punished or reprimanded for even the smallest breaches of the routine. His requests have been listened to but never acted upon. He becomes docility of a trained animal. Indeed, the guards say that prisoners are “reduced to animals”. It is estimated that in the average case it takes from four to six weeks of rigid, total isolation to produce this phenomenon.

Four to six weeks in isolation will produce that. John McCain was in isolation for two entire years. And within those two years, he was also bound into painful positions with rope and beaten every two hours.

As I wrote in a diary a few months ago:

The long term effects of solitary confinement have been well documented, and there is little doubt that the torture that McCain endured had a profound effect on him, both short and long term.

[...] Is there any doubt that McCain feels some level of anger, bitterness, holds a grudge or wants revenge for what was done to him? Hell, I know I would. I’d be permanently pissed off and looking for a fight - and I’m a pretty mild mannered guy. But, do we want to have a Commander in Chief who is even more hawkish on foreign policy than Bush is? On Iraq? On Russia? On China? Someone who talks openly about more wars, especially at a time when we are hated around the world for our confrontational and reckless foreign policy, not to mention with troops already stretched to the breaking point?

But even with that, it still goes deeper than the torture, the threats, the grudges, the sweeping comments and derogatory statements that offend multiple entire races. In a precarious global situation – one that the United States is already not looked favorably in, we see chest thumping about “100 years in Iraq”, we hear of excluding Russia from the G8 (not to mention his apparent desire to restart the Cold War), we hear talk of there being more wars, we have a Presidential candidate whose view of diplomacy is to physically assault foreign diplomats, just to name a few of the more major alarming issues.

If we want to look at how he treats those on the homefront, he blows off reporters when he isn’t berating them individually (this pattern goes back to 1982) or what he thinks of his wife or rape victims, there are plenty of examples of what is clearly an angry and disturbed man with little tolerance.

These issues are serious ones, and as much as some people want to ignore them or call them “quirks” or “gaffes” or part of his personality, they are scary and are not befitting of someone who aspires to be President or Commander in Chief.

“Shoot first” is what got the United States into the mess it is currently in – both domestically and internationally. Browbeating, chest thumping and insulting entire races or countries is not what is needed.

But when all of these traits, experiences and factors are considered together – if it was someone who wasn’t running for President (I’ll add “as the republican candidate”) – if it was your grandfather, your uncle, your neighbor or someone you worked with – this behavior would not be acceptable or tolerated. This individual’s mental stability would be called into question and would likely be referred for some sort of professional help.

So why is it ok if the person is only running for one of the most important positions in the world?

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Yet another psychopath running for the repukes

And it looks like the plane-crashing phony war hero is going to win. Nice going, America. At least any contard on this blog under the age of 25 will be on his way to boot camp in short order.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Let's start a pool

Anyone want to bet on which of the g0p sheeple-trolls posts in this thread first, and how long it'll take them?

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

I think they're doing DOS attacks today

Second-easiest kind of attack to trace. Sam really should track these bastards and AAR can then prosecute them for cyber-terrorism.

\You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By LiberalIconoclastAugust 18, 2008 - 4:45pm

"I think they're doing DOS attacks today"

That's or this blog has always been quasi-functional. Me, I think they went back to the original PII box.

I like the part of McCain’s resume

Where he was bombing non-American Democratics (pronounced Communists) in Vietnam.

Accuracy fixxy

where he was crashing five airplanes in Vietnam.

You can't bomb a target if you can't get TO the target, dipshit!

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manAugust 18, 2008 - 6:21pm

You'd think they would've grounded him after the first three at least. I wonder how much fiscally conservative Johnny's accumulated plane destruction cost the taxpayers?

I guess daddy pulled some strings to keep him flying. Hell, maybe he was hoping to get rid of him.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

Please visit wikipedia and

Please visit wikipedia and get a working definition of what communism is.

Does wanting to end a pointless war appear anywhere in the definition of "communism"? Does wanting to take care of all Americans with universal health care sound like communism? Are Canada, the UK, and France communist nations? They all have some form of universal health coverage.

In fact, if you go down the entire democratic platform, every issue there is supported by the majority of americans - with the exception of perhaps OCS drilling. And that's just because the GOP has successfully convinced them that it will have a tangible impact on gas prices (a lie).

So if we, as Democrats, hold positions that are supported by the majority of Americans... does that mean that most Americans are communists? Can you think of anything more complex than a fraudulent soundbite?

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

He won't

...because if he looked it up, he'd be exposing himself to FACTS, and that would mean he had to forfeit his Official Executive Larry Craig Memorial Washroom key.

Brian's never had an honest thought of his own, just like he's never worked an honest day in his short life.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

That will change, Non...

How long you reckon before the McCain Administration reinstates the draft? A year? Two at the outside? Brian will be marching on blisters and cleaning latrines with a toothbrush while doing pushups and shouting "SIR YES SIR," plus all those other things that are said to build "character."

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

So you're going to ENLIST, mother fucker?

Didn't think so. Brian, you are a FAIRY.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

Another good one, "Perfessor"

Because of your post, I'm now questioning my very existence. (< -- not really)

By its_so_overAugust 18, 2008 - 7:38pm

Brian

It's been a long time since you have been able to offer anything on this board but stupid comments hasn't it?

How's the computer work going? Still working for a military contractor? Are there still things "you can't tell us" that justify the war in Iraq?

WE blew your mind and you are a shell of a person now.

F U bush2, I gather from

F U bush2, I gather from what you said that this 'Brian' claims to work for a military contractor. Let's assume that Brian is working for a military contractor and maybe doing some computer work.

First of all, Brian, I highly doubt that an employee of this hypothetical military contractor would be let in on classified information. And if you were an 'important' person, then 'friends' would be keeping an eye on you to make sure you don't mention it on an 'extremist left-wing blog' such as this one.

War More Years

You make me sick

Fucking coward. You rah-rah for your deserter "president's" oil war and yet refuse to fight it? Get your ass out of my country and take that whore who gave you birth with you. I don't want any more half-human little republican rug rats dropping their shit in my America.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

You're obviously a figment

...of someone else's deranged imagination. I want to find out whose, so I can get them properly medicated.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

I understand that BLObama

once broke 2 mirrors in one coke snorting binge.

Does he get a purple heart for that?

Fuck you, Brian

I understand you cut your kid's hand off with a lawnmower?

http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/00D0184P.pdf

Do you deny it?

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

By its_so_overAugust 18, 2008 - 6:19pm

Do you like the part where McCain was shopping around for a new and improved wife?

I like the part

Where, at the Saddleback Forum, McCain exploited his stay at the Hanoi Hilton to score cheap political points with mouth-foaming evangelists

War More Years

ASK MCCAIN "WHAT IS WINNING".

I just watched McStain once again call Obama treasonous. He said Obama sides with the "terrorists" against America so he could "win the election". McStain is a slime, a slug. If America votes this shitstain into office, it will be exactly what we deserve.

McStain says we are winning the word in Iraq. This is right out of the new Iraq constitution. NOTE-THIS ISN'T THE OLD CONSITUTION UNDER SADDAM. THIS IS NEW CONSITUTION AMERICAN SONS AND DAUGHTERS DIED TO HELP CREATE.

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Article (2):

1st — Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.

2nd — This constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and the full religious rights for all individuals and the freedom of creed and religious practices.

Article (3): Iraq is a multiethnic, multi-religious and multi-sect country. It is part of the Islamic world and its Arab people are part of the Arab nation.
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When they talk about multiethnic, multi-religious and multi-sect it is WITHIN Islam. When it talks about full religious rights for all individuals and the freedom of creed and religious practices, it is WITHIN Islam. There are no protections for any other religion. NO PROTECTIONS FOR CHRISTIANS.

In 2004, it was estimated that there were 1.4 million Christians in Iraq. Now, the estimated it 700,000. NOTICE, THE MEDIA NEVER, EVER ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS OF IRAQ.

Is decimating the Christian population in Iraq part of "winning the war". Only McStain knows that. IF ONLY THE MEDIA WOULD ASK HIM.

Problem is, Dean...

The rhetoric works, when it's repeated and amplified by a conservative media. The senile plane-crasher is going to be president. I just hope the contards end up regretting it when they or their sons get their draft notices.

You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury

LET'S HOPE OBAMA IS SMART. HIS CAMPAIGN IS PITIFUL.

We can only hope Obama is as smart as we hope he is. So far, he has run a pitiful campaign. He keeps defending.

You don't have to smear McCain. He has already provided so much material, you could make campaign commercials that shows McCain and his gaffs and end it with "The REAL McCain".

Just the damage McCain has attempted against our Veterans is enough to ensure he would never be elected if brought out into the light. Obama says he doesn't want to politicize the troops. Standing up for them is NOT politicizing them. If Obama, as the Democratic nominee, doesn't stand up for them, no one will.

The Republican party has become so dirty, they damage our troops to make a buck off them. It's a shame. It used to be called the "Party of Ideas". Now it's the party of treasonous criminals who out American Covert Agents for political points. The party that starts wars to make money. The party that doesn't fund our troops. The party of lies. The slime party.

Military donations favor

Military donations favor Obama

Obama receives over five times the money McCain does from troops overseas. That says alot, since these troops have little left to give.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-14-military-d...

And the young people are registering Dem in record numbers.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/mapesonpolitics/2008/08/weve_been_talking_a_l...

Hmm . . . guess they are tired of being, or know they will be, cannon fodder for the fascist pigs of the GOP.

By your logic, you all

By your logic, you all better vote Obama or its off to war for me

War More Years

Premature baby 'comes back to life'

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1218710394816&pagename=JPost%...

No problem. Send in President Obama. He’ll kill it.

MCCAIN NEEDS CANNON FODDER

Obama agonized over supporting a woman's right.

McCain doesn't give a shit to the woman OR the baby after it's born.

Look at McCain, walked around a Baghdad market, putting more than a hundred soldiers in grave danger, using them as human shields for a photo op. Maybe that's why McCain is against abortion. He needs someone to send off and die.

After watching some of this

Rev Warren deal coverage, I'm convinced that Sen. Obama's thinking or agonizing over anything is "above his pay grade".

"Obama - the judgment to surround himself with America haters"

You're to dim to understand

You're to dim to understand what he was saying, huh?

I guess thinking is over your pay grade.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

Please Its so stupid,

Come and tell me that my little sister did a wrong thing when she had her first miscarriage at 8 months. I had to deal with cockroaches like you before, and you know that you are nothing more then a RAT running from a sinking ship.

If you really cared about women having abotions. Then you would also support some sex ed in all schools no exeptions, and by either R.N.s or doctors that are ob/gyn. But education will never take over good parenting, and have long talks with one children.

FREE LEONARD PELTIER
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So, if you're the

stereotypical neoconservative, you probably oppose sex ed in public schools while also opposing a woman's right to choose. It's pretty much common sense, if they receive proper education regarding these matters, they run less a risk of becoming pregnant too soon and dealing with unexpected pregnancies

War More Years

I just like pointing out

how libs demand and lib candidates comply with the “I’m willing to support the killing of an innocent life” plank of the hateful, godless lib presidential platform.

All the lib candidates are so very willing to support the “kill the unborn” position, yet none of them are willing to kill their own unborn children – or they won’t admit to it.

Either way, they are hypocrites. After all, shouldn’t you “practice what you preach”?

I look forward to some debate host asking the following:

“Senator Obama, given your pro-abortion position, do you regret not convincing your wife Michelle to abort one of your daughters?”

By its_so_overAugust 19, 2008 - 1:28am

WE had an abortion last month just for you. We named it "blackwater scum" and stomped on it.

Apparently you don't understand the difference between

having a right and exercising that right. Dems aren't fighting to HAVE abortions, they are fighting to make sure women have the RIGHT to have an abortion if they so choose. Let me put it in simple terms that even a simpleton like yourself can understand.

Reps are always fighting for the RIGHT to own guns. That doesn't mean that everyone HAS to exercise the right own a gun, simply that they have the RIGHT to do so. Having a right is not the same as exercising the right.

So, if you are so hot about "practicing what you preach", why aren't you serving in Iraq, in the war you so blindly support?

I look forward to McCain picking Mittens as his VP, so some debate host can ask him "Mr. Romney, if you support the Iraq war so strongly, why aren't any of your sons serving in the military?"

I beginning to realize they

I beginning to realize they DO understand the difference. And understand it all too well. However they are using that distinction between "having the right to do" and "having to do" something to muddy the waters.

Typical GOP tactic. When the issues and facts aren't on your side, muddy the waters enough so that nobody can tell the difference anyway.

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

You may be right, but I think that may only apply to the

ones at the top of the food chain. The lower levels, like its_so_dense, really aren't smart enough to have figured that basic concept out. That's why they are so eager to have someone else do their thinking for them.

By its_so_overAugust 18, 2008 - 11:33pm

It will be nice actually if abortion becomes illegal for a while. All the right winger's daughters will come home with no options. Then we can hire paparazzi to film all the rich white folk sending their kids over seas for an abortion. Because to the right winger it's a matter of class, not life. When it comes to their own daughters, they can't have ruined reputations. But we'll catch it all camera.

Abortion wouldn't stay illegal for long.

I heard Mccain is often caught sniffing his finger

and asking "what's that smell?"

Bush policy

Bush's lies have killed thousands of children. The blood of these children is on our hands now.

McCain picks his running mate

He'll be unveiled later this week:

I doubt that

McCain will pick Sen. Bob Byrd (D) WV as his running mate.

Good job with the photo - is this from the Byrd family album?

By its_so_overAugust 19, 2008 - 2:09am

It's your Mom's family album

Round-up of Daily Violence in Iraq - Monday 18 August 2008

Round-up of Daily Violence in Iraq - Monday 18 August 2008
By Laith Hammoudi | McClatchy Newspapers

Baghdad

Five people (3 policemen and 2 civilians) were injured by a roadside bomb in al Riwad intersection in Mansour neighborhood in west Baghdad around 9:00 a.m.

Around 10:00 a.m. Gunmen opened their machineguns fire targeting the car of Faris Jabir Thahir; a member in Shaheed al Mihrab organization (one of the organizations in ISCI ) in Zafaraniyah town in southeast Baghdad. Faris was killed at one and his wife was injured seriously.

Around 10:30, an IED exploded targeting an American convoy in al Ordin intersection (Jordan intersection) in Yarmouk neighborhood in west Baghdad. Nine Iraqi were injured including three policemen. No American casualties were reported.

Three people were injured (2 policemen and a civilian) by a roadside bomb near the national theater in Karrada neighborhood in downtown Baghdad around 1:00 p.m.

Basra

A director of an election center and his deputy were killed and a companion was inured when gunmen attacked them while they were going to work in Bahadriyah area south of Basra on Monday morning. The election commission confirmed the incident.

Kirkuk

Gunmen killed Raheem Thyab al Bayati; one of the leaders of Sahwa south of Tuz city north of Baghdad around 2:00 p.m.

All of this terrorism and none in the US.

Thank you President Bush !

We won't hold W responsible for any mayhem that goes on with the Democratics in Denver. What's a little pepper spray between friends ?

By its_so_overAugust 19, 2008 - 2:14am

All of those people being killed because of Bush.

If BLObama, Nancy and the rest of the Criminals (Dems)

hadn't voted "yes" for funding, the troops would all be home by now.

Pelosi lied (said she'd bring the troops home) and many people died.

Democratics are lying murderers. Of course, this is news to no one.

By its_so_overAugust 19, 2008 - 2:24am

Nick Berg died because Bush brought the terrorists in.

Right wingers enjoy making others die to win elections.

If your dumbass hadn't voted

If your dumbass hadn't voted Bush in 2000 and 2004, the troops wouldn't be there in the first place and 4,144 brave men and women would still be alive

War More Years

And I guess we won't hold

And I guess we won't hold DICK Cheney for any mayhem that may occur next time he goes [human] hunting. What's a little shrapnel to the face between friends, eh?

War More Years

McSame will score with this demographic group.

'No Values' Voters

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

By Guy FawkesAugust 19, 2008 - 2:27am

LOL

John McCain's phantom torture

The problem with the American electorate is their lack of curiousity. They take everybody or everyone they favor and believe everything they are told, without researching it. John McCain was not tortured! John McCain tried to commit suicide twice due to his collaboration with the enemy and the thought of his Admiral father finding out, pushed him to this. As a Vietnam Vet let me assure you of something, John McCain was never offered the option of going home. The North Vietnam Government had the son of an Admiral, do you think for one second they would have let him go, he was their prize. On the subject of collaboration, please know that McCain's nickname was "Songbird". John McCain not only gave them vital information about targets and package routes, John McCain made numerous audio tapes that were played for soldiers in the South, kind of like Tokyo Rose, but you just keep thinking this guy was a hero. How come he is never question about his time in Hanoi? Why is his debriefing of his return classified after 43 years? Do you really think you can be tortured every two hours as he claimed and survive? Broken bones, damage organs, come on sheeple, think? Why would a former POW who was tortured stop MIA/POW families from finding out what happen to their loved ones? Why won't he release his medical records before the years of 2000? At the minimum, John McCain has PTSD has been treated for it and may still be getting treatment for it. I know this sounds like the Swiftboating of John McCain, but please research and you might see through the facade.

AB

Accusation by implication

To me it does sound like you're swiftboating him. What proof do you have? Questions with no answers don't prove anything. You imply via the question, but think that by not answering it, you are getting around the accusation of smearing someone. (I never said that, I only asked the question).

Sorry. This is not flying with me.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

I agree. Art - you give us

I agree. Art - you give us a whole lot of sizzle but not much meat.

The one point I will give you is that we as a nation are NOT being inquisitive enough about the truth. Maybe the things you say are true, and we should certainly be looking at his unfiltered medical records, declassified into on his debriefing, etc. But the whole "war hero" and "maverick" narrative makes such a good news story, the MSM isn't going to mess it up by any real investigative journalism. If we want the truth, we won't be able to rely on any mainstream news outlet digging it up.

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

Some trolss will appreciate this

It's my understanding bebe is a millionaire. All of it confederate money.

Haha nice one, but seriously

Haha nice one, but seriously could we limit the photos of dead children. I mean I know the atrocities of war but please don't use the dead child to make a point to the neocon (who won't listen)

War More Years

By f u bush2August 19, 2008 - 1:02pm

Awesome picture - the best way to start the day, with a good laugh!!

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

It's so over, how can you

It's so over, how can you say that you respect the rites of something as big as a dot with no brain or nervous system when, at the same time, you advocate waterboarding?

McCain EST. 1860

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