Attacking McCain

By Booman Tribune
I agree with Matt Stoller's conclusions, although I take a different route to get there. Stoller is critical of the following three-part line of attack on John McCain, developed by James Vega at the The Democratic Strategist (.pdf):

McCain's actions in recent weeks have provided compelling evidence for three genuinely disturbing propositions about his character, core values and integrity.
  1. That John McCain has become desperate to win this election and is willing to sacrifice his deepest principles and his personal honor in order to do it.
  2. That the John McCain we see today is only a pale, diminished shadow of the
    man he once was in his early years.
  3. That John McCain is allowing men he once despised and held in complete contempt to manipulate him and tell him what to do - to literally put words in his mouth and tell him what to say.

At first glance these statements are so strong that they sound almost defamatory. But each is supported by McCain's recent actions (as described below) and they fit together into a single coherent narrative of ambition overcoming integrity and moral character.

Frankly, only a beltway insider would come up with this kind of a list. First of all, the whole line of attack makes a completely unnecessary concession. It basically grants that up until relatively recently John McCain was a man with deep principles and personal honor. That's the exact myth the establishment media has been selling us on John McCain for years now, and it has never been true. Never.

In fairness to Vega, he may not believe it is true. He may simply judge that that angelic view of John McCain is so well-ingrained in the public's mind that it isn't worth trying to overwrite people's hard-drive memories. But it is this second point that is most assuredly wrong. The press likes John McCain and that clouds their objectivity. They see McCain snuggling up to the religious right, jettisoning any pretense of fiscal discipline, adopting a foreign policy stance to the right of Dick Cheney, and taking advice from Karl Rove and Rove's staff...and they are disappointed. Vega's line of attack is actually nothing more or less than what these disillusioned media-types are telling themselves to ease their cognitive dissonance. It couldn't be that all along John McCain was a dishonorable, ethically challenged, opportunistic, dishonest, unserious cad. That would mean that the media had been, well, had. No. No. It must be that John McCain has changed. He's not the man he used to be. He's become desperate and he's abandoning all these fine principles. This is all horseshit, plain and simple.

If the press is feeling let down by John McCain they should blame themselves for not paying close enough attention to the man over the years. On balance, McCain's recent moves are less a sign of desperation than they are that he is serious about winning. He has managed to make progress in the polls using these tactics. But, as Matt Stoller points out, the very strategies that poll well for Obama (attacking McCain over his age and age-related performance problems, over his temper, over his radicalism, over his unpopularity within his own caucus and inability to work well with others) are the issues that Vega dismisses.

The more difficult problem is that McCain is not, at first glance, an easy target for attacks on his character. His youthful military experience as a pilot and POW and his well-cultivated media reputation as an occasional "maverick" in the 80's and 90's present no obvious vulnerabilities. Current characterizations of him as old, ill-tempered, easily flustered and prone to blundering, while certainly true, are also essentially trivial. Comparing McCain to "The Simpsons'" Mr. Burns or to a clichéd grouchy grandpa simply has no meaningful political effect.

Karl Rove perfected the strategy of going right after a candidate's greatest strength. In Kerry's case it was his distinguished military record. In Obama's case it is his charisma and popularity abroad. In McCain's case it is his reputation as a maverick, his media-darling status, and his record as a Vietnam veteran and POW. Those are precisely the strengths that need to be taken on squarely. And there are more.

McCain is showing age-related performance problems. He's taking radical right positions on abortion, on foreign policy, on social security, and more. Many members of his caucus are profoundly discomfited by the very idea of John McCain as commander in chief.

Some of these chinks in McCain's armor are somewhat delicate subjects. It would not be seemly or politically savvy for Barack Obama to attack John McCain's age or military record. And, given how much McCain suffered as a POW, some of it should be off limits, even for surrogates. But McCain invites rebuttal when he makes up stories from his time as a POW. Regardless, John McCain graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, trashed several planes (both before and after his captivity in Hanoi), and has misrepresented his reasons for retiring from the armed services. There is no reason that surrogates can't point that out.

John McCain admitted this week that his greatest moral failing was the break-up of his first marriage. What was so horrible about McCain's behavior in that marriage that is surpasses his vote against Martin Luther King Day, or his role in the Keating 5, or his decision to defend the flying of the Confederate Flag over the South Carolina capital?

And when we talk about age discrimination, we're typically talking about denying job opportunities to people in their forties, fifties, and sixties. Once you reach the age of 72 people no longer question the morality of using your age as a reason to deny you employment. If McCain serves two full terms, he'll be 80 years old before he leaves office. How many jobs can an 80-year-old expect to he hired on for? Over forty percent of the public say that they would not vote for someone that is 72-years-old. As Stoller points out, this is roughly the same percentage that would not vote for a homosexual. But, unlike with the issue of homosexuality, being wary of extreme old age is not mere prejudice. This is particularly true with a man that is showing demonstrative and repeated signs of age-related diminishment. Add to this, McCain's legendary temper and his Republican colleagues' clear ambivalence about his fitness for office, and you've got a potent and legitimate set of concerns to take to the public.

What are a few panders and flip-flops in comparison? The danger for Obama is that by listening to Beltway consultants and media insiders he may make the mistake of conceding that John McCain was once a man of honor, integrity, and principle. He wasn't honorable at the Naval Academy. He wasn't honorable in his first marriage. He wasn't honorable when he voted against MLK Day, or when he got involved in the Keating Five. He wasn't honorable when he defended the Confederate Flag (as he has admitted). He's not being honorable now. So, when was he honorable? There is only so much deference you can pay to a man's captivity at the hands of the NVA. How long are we going to let crap like this go without hitting back?

Nicolle Wallace, a spokeswoman for Mr. McCain, said on Sunday night that Mr. McCain had not heard the broadcast of the event [at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church] while in his motorcade and heard none of the questions.

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.

I mean, seriously.

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McCain's another feeble fool...

...The enemies of our nation are girdled by the Republican Party. They'll not give a second thought to the destruction of the USA anymore than they did to the G0P. It probably is their goal. McCain, Bush, any token chump are an insignificant bunch.

Bushie!  Doin' a helluva job!
G0P Trinity:  Failure, Fraud, Endless Deceit.

22 Ways to tell if you are a Regressive

Are you really a conservative? Not likely. A regressive...well, here is how to tell:

Regressive:

1. Tending to return or revert.
2. Characterized by regression or a tendency to regress.

Or in other words, moving this country, and humanity, backwards instead of forward - and wanting to take the rest of us down with them!

So, how do you tell if you are a Regressive? Here are 22 good ways:

1. If it is 2008, and you are still proud to call yourself a conservative, you are a Regressive.

2. If you think Ann Coulter is hot, you are a Regressive.

3. If you pee your pants, or if your face turns red every time you hear someone whisper, "Muhammad" you are a Regressive...

...9. If you still believe that Barack Obama is a Muslim, not only would you be in fairyland, you would be a Regressive.

...22. If you have read this list and still plan to vote for John McCain in November, you would be a Regressive.

Visit here for the rest:
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I LOVE ANN COULTER

I must be a Regressive. Ann Coulter is the first tranny I was ever attracted to.

By karlfrankjrAugust 19, 2008 - 9:50am

Wow, I may actually be dumber for having read that list. What Rocket Surgeon turned author of pithy humor penned that fine article obviously worthy of a Pulitzer?

I mean seriously "not only would you be in fairlyland, you would be a regressive." That is seriously funny, yet deeply thought provoking (well, maybe thought provoking if you struggled with abstract ideas such as subtraction).

Point is that crap is just as ridiculous as the crap that tries to frame Obama as a bomb throwing muslim terrorist.

If it weren't for the fact

...that most American voters today have the attention span of a goldfish, Jukebox Johnny would have been laughed out of the campaign months ago...just about the time he admitted the Iraq invasion was all about oil.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

McCain and Vietnam

I think progressives can and should attack McCain's record on Vietnam. Here is the angle of attack I would suggest. First concede that McCain's stubborn resistance to North Vietnamese torture made him a heroic role model for Americans captured by tyrants and terrorists. However, he is running for Commander-in-Chief, not POW role model, and we must remember that he showed the same stubborness in his political support for the Vietnam War. He has said that we should have kept fighting in Vietnam until victory. Although it seemed to most Americans at the time that we could have fought in Vietnam forever and never achieved victory, suppose we give McCain the benefit of the doubt and allow the possibility that years more of fighting and thousands more American dead could have won the war. We need to ask ourselves, "How would we be better off today?" Doctrinaire Communism collapsed in the Soviet Union because people refused to cling to a system which failed to offer them a better life. Although the leaders of China and Vietnam still call themselves communist, they have adopted capitalist economics. Similarly, the influence of Al Qaeda in Iraq has collapsed because Sunni Muslims awakened and realized its brand of extreme fanatacism offered them an ideological straitjacket, not a better life. Having removed Saddam and defeated Al Qaeda in Iraq there is no more "victory" in Iraq to achieve that will make a difference to future Americans. Instead of sustaining further casualties, we need to turn over to the Iraqis the responsibility of figuring out exactly what compromises and accomodations are needed for Sunni, Shia and Kurdish Iraqis to live together in peace and prosperity.

By DrMikeMavAugust 19, 2008 - 11:45am

There are many out there that believe the failure and eventual pull out in Vietnam was a result of the US government pandering to the LSD consuming hippies, not a military defeat. In other words, the war in Vietnam was lost in the media of the US, not in the jungles of Southeast Asia. Point is, that faction is much more likely to agree with McCain than agree with your strategy.

And as far as how the US would be better off, that's an easy one. Al Qaeda et al. have used the Vietnam war as a model of how to fight the US (along with Clinton's mad dash to get out of Somalia). Had the US not backed down in those cases, those would not be models of success.

When have we ever fought al qaeda?

Bush invaded a country (Iraq) where there was no al qaeda. What the hell are you talking about? How does the military "fight" a terrorist group? Vietnam was a massive defeat for the US because Vietnam was a civil war and no occupying force can win a civil war. Not to mention that the vast majority of the country was against the Vietnam war, including most of the soldiers.

By hufflarry2000August 19, 2008 - 4:22pm

I will admit that I use the name of Al Qaeda to represent a variety of groups in this case that would include the Taliban, AQ, Al Qaeda in Iraq, et al. Has the military (both our own and that of other countries, for once I have complimentary things to say about the French after suffering a serious loss) not engaged AQ and the Taliban in Afghanistan?

And while you are correct that AQ was not in Iraq did sympathizers and other Jihad loving American hating types not flock to Iraq shortly after the invasion (like within days) to fight the Americans? And I understand the argument that they weren't there to begin with, that our presence brought them out, but these were people that had a serious chip on their shoulders and would likely have found their way to some extremist group anyway.

"Not to mention that the vast majority of the country was against the Vietnam war, including most of the soldiers"

Right, exactly. Now first off, please understand that today's military is not a bunch of draftees with little training that would rather be anywhere else, but a group of professional volunteers. Next, you're absolutely right, the vast majority was against the war (at least after a few years of Americans dying). They also didn't like the images they saw on TV or the horror stories being told. So the politicians gave in to that public squeamishness (something that hadn't been necessary in the time before TV) and essentially tied a hand behind the back of the military. I would argue that this resulted in less progress in the war, which resulted in lower morale, which resulted in more acts of frustration being taken out on locals, which resulted in more bad TV, which resulted in more political pressure to get control of the situation, which resulted in more restraints on the military, which resulted in less progress, and on and on and on.

Point is, that I would argue that the public attitude dragged the war in Vietnam on longer and resulted in more death for both sides than was necessary. I realize many here will disagree vehemently with this, but for an example I submit the use of the atomic bomb in Japan during World War II. Those bombs, while enough to make the stomach turn on any normal human being, stopped the war practically overnight and likely resulted in more lives spared (certainly for the Americans) than would have otherwise been the case had the US invaded mainland Japan.

The brilliant portion of the Rumsfeld plan was that the official war would happen very quickly and wouldn't allow American public opinion time to turn. The absolutely moronic portion of the plan was the follow up/peacekeeping/rebuilding portion. Like there wasn't a real plan. And we've all seen the result of that.

I rambled a bit, but I hope there's some interesting discussion in there.

very interesting

but we should never have gone to Vietnam in the first place. Many of the South Vietnamese wanted communism, hence the Viet Cong. It was a civil war we had no business in. As far as using or even threatening using nukes, we would not be here typing if that had happened.

By hufflarry2000August 19, 2008 - 7:14pm

But that's hindsight. I'm guessing most of the South Koreans are very happy that we were and are there. Could a similar situation not have occurred in Vietnam? In the mid-60s I would argue that it appeared to be a great idea to stop the flow of communism and looked very possible to at least prevent it to some extent (just like Korea). Looking back on it from a world where the Berlin wall has been gone for the better part of 2 decades, the Soviet Union no longer exists, Poland is an ally, and China, while claiming communism, is the largest up-and-comer in the capitalist world, and Vietnam has become a stable and peaceful country it's easy to say that our presence there was a waste of time, money and lives. But look at it from 1965 and tell me that you could have forseen all those changes.

Personally I think one of the biggest mistakes that liberals make is to look at historic events and interpret them through modern sensibities. I'm not saying that we shouldn't learn from history, just that it's pointless to apply modern values to a situation that looked very different at the time.

Just my two bits.

By Kill-WhiteyAugust 19, 2008 - 4:07pm

KW wrote: And as far as how the US would be better off, that's an easy one. Al Qaeda et al. have used the Vietnam war as a model of how to fight the US (along with Clinton's mad dash to get out of Somalia). Had the US not backed down in those cases, those would not be models of success.

You've got selective memory there, KW. AQ is also using Reagan's pullout of Beirut as a model of how the US "cuts and runs".

"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table."
George W. Bush
Brussels, Belgium
February 22, 2005

By houndmommaAugust 19, 2008 - 4:38pm

True enough indeed.

HOPE AND CONFIDENCE

And yet, at Rick Warren's ministry, the evangelical audience thought he hit a home run.

He talked about an out of work family with no education or health insurance who was losing their home. McCain said he knew what they needed, "Hope and confidence". The audience cheered wildly.

McCain said the way to improve schools was to leave the bad ones behind and go to a better school. Again, the audience cheered wildly.

The three wisest people McCain knows are a CEO, a man who fractured his skull and General Petraeus. Funny that. The General said the front line against al Qaeda is in Afghanistan. McCain clearly said it was in Iraq. So one of the three wisest people McCain knows is wrong? Again, the audience cheered wildly.

And so it went. McCain saying one incredibly stupid thing after another and each time the audience cheered wildly. All the pun-dents said he won because he had so much confidence.

Too bad no one was listening to what he was actually saying.

Hope and Confidence ...

Somehow, I don't see that satisfying the bill collectors ...

Just ignore the failing schools ... just so a few can attend alternative schools; just so the majority of students suffer, let's just not put money in to the failing school ... nah, makes too much sense.

If those are the wisest three people McSame know's, we are truly fucked if he's elected. Speaks volumes about McSame's 'wealth of knowledge' ...

The same people cheering wildly are the same moron's who voted for Monkey Boy and Darth; They obviously haven't a clue and should be disqualified from voting for their sheer stupidity.

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

Quickest way to end a possible McCain presidency....

let Crash fly Air Force One...preferably over uninhabited areas!

LOL ...

He can go scout some 'offshore drilling' sites ...

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

Any chance we could convince him to

take "Whispering Joe" with him on the flight?

Stop teasing me!

That would be too good to be true!

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

You know how much I love teasing you, so.....

Imagine it's Crash McGrandpa and his VP Whispering Joe taking off in Air Force Oneafter their inauguration. Their mission: to return Chimpy to the Chimpcave in Crawford for some well-earned brush clearing. Crash takes command of the massive jet, and decides to do some hotdogging on the flight down. He grabs the steering yoke from the stunned pilot, and begins a barrel roll, not realizing that God doesn't allow flying whales like that to pull those kind of manuevers. As the plane plunges toward the ground, he smiles, knowing that the humungous hole he is about to auger into the earth may produce a new oil well, hastening America's energy independence. Paraphrasing his spiritual guru, Slim Pickens, as he plummets earthward, be can be heard whooping, "Drill everywhere, drill now!"

"Drill everywhere, drill now!"

You just sent shivers down my spine, Suave ... it IS nice to dream, isn't it??!! ;-)

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

"Imagine there's no repubs, it's easy if you try....."

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one....".

Actually, it's not repubs that are the problem, it's the neocons who hijacked the party.

WHAT IRKS ME

Some of the problems with the evangelicals:

Many believe that "science" is separate from "technology" and you don't need one to develop the other.

Many believe that "science" is a religion.

They not only refuse to study science, they discourage their children from learning.

They believe that all scientists are atheists.

They will send their children to licensed medical doctors but say the foundation science for botany, biology and physiology, which is evolution, is not science at all, even though there is not a single reputable doctor that doesn't believe evolution is a fact.

They go to medical doctors and avoid witch doctors and faith healers who they have more in common with.

They believe that dinosaurs lived with humans and that "Noah's Ark" is a true story.

They see no problem with Islam being the "national religion" of Iraq. They want to do that here with Christianity.

They believe the Christians in Iraq are liberated and happy.

The build tier four colleges, which are the least reputable and the least respected and lowest rated.

Many believe God put bones in the ground to show us what animals on other worlds look like.

If the universe were only 6,000 years old, our sky would be black except for only a couple of stars. They believe God made the light "in transit".

The list is endless.

I propose we give them all their own country----

"Dumbfuckistan", and let them be as ignorant as they like. We can build a huge wall all around that, (they LOVE walls), and we will make sure that they don't have access to any "evil" technology like radio and TV. Not only would that keep them from being "contaminated" by our scientific ideas, but would keep them from dumbing down the rest of us who don't want to live there.

"Dumbfuckistan"

"It's a damned good thing I've got a box of tissues next to my computer," I said as I wiped the Pepsi off my monitor ...

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

And of course, it should be located in the South

as this is the ancestral homeland for the weak-of-intellect. It would be subdivided into provinces, like Moronia, Goofus, Dillweed and New Idiocy. The capitol would be Rushtown, and the national anthem would be Weird Al Yankovic's "Dare to be Stupid" (Al needs the royalties!).

I think

the capitol should be idiopolis. Our chief exports to this new nation(under GOD) would Wal-Mart, NASCAR and WWF. Clear up that little debt in no time!

Oh no you don't!

Those are their only products. There is no reason for us to export them back to them. I say we drive them really nuts by taking NASCAR away from them. They get to keep Wal Mart and WWF, and we export only Celine Dion music to them! We can also send them one nuclear warhead and a big hammer, telling them that if they hit the magic metal egg hard enough with the big hammer, God will be pleased and welcome them home!

LOL - But of COURSE it'll be in the South!!

It seems that it's the area of the country that is representative of the idiocy prevelant in our society ... hell, they can secede and name Limpdick its president for all I care!

Have you ever seen "Idiocracy"?

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

Yes, I've seen it....

I thought it was the story of how PNAC was founded!

D'OH!!

Could be, Suave. Stranger things have happened ...

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin

MORE WALLS

There was a joke about that wall.

Once Bin Laden, the Ayatollah and an American soldier were together on a hilltop were they discovered a magic lamp. Bin Laden, while trying to clean the lamp, accidentally woke the Genii inside the lamp. The Genii said, "One wish, and one wish only to all I see."

Bin Laden wished for a giant, impenetrable wall ten thousand feet high surrounding the Extremist Holy Lands.

The Ayatollah wished all the Extremists Muslims were inside the walls where they could pray and practice extreme Islam and live uncontaminated from the west.

The only one left, the American soldier, picked up the lamp. He sat down and he thought about it. He thought, he figured. He didn't know what to wish for. He said, "Wishing is hard work. I wish I had some water." Suddenly, the impenetrable walls, ten thousand feet tall, were filled to overflowing.

Deal!!!

boy this election shit is easy!

OBAMA ENABLING MCSTAIN

McCain received a grade of D from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America
McCain received a 20 percent vote rating from the Disabled Veterans of America

WHY OBAMA ISN'T GOING AFTER MCSTAIN'S DISGRACEFUL RECORD AGAINST OUR GI'S IS CRIMINAL. OBAMA IS ENABLING MCSTAIN.

Why do you think Dems

always lose? Hillary would never have run such a wimpy, pussy campaign like this. It is pathetic, the only way Dems could have lost this election was to nominate Obama. So what do the libtards do, NOMINATE OBAMA!

You need professional help.

while (horse == dead) { beat(horse); }

FACTS ABOUT THE FORRESTAL WE KNOW FOR SURE

What some have said about the Forrestal incident:

A young sailor, Frank West named McCain as the 'stupid bastard' who caused the tragedy

Another sailor, Mervin Rowland doesn't like McCain because McCain refuses to go to any of the Forrestal memorial reunions. We know for a fact that McCain has not visited a single reunion since the tragedy.

What we do know about the Forrestal incident.

McCain was the only member of the entire crew who wasn't severely injured to be airlifted off the Forrestal. This we know for a fact. Why is only speculation, which includes:

1. Some crew members thought it was because of his dad, Admiral McCain.
2. Some believed it was McCain’s dangerous stunt that set the whole thing off, and he was airlifted off because of threats on his life

All we know for sure is that he wasn't severely injured and he was airlifted. We know this because it was only a few weeks later that he was shot down in Viet Nam. He was obviously well enough to fly.

What we also know for sure is that McCain was the only person on the flight deck who received no decoration for valor for the events that took place on that day even though McCain says he saved lives. This is a fact. The ship burned for at least three more days, but McCain was already gone. MCCAIN WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THE FLIGHT DECK WHO RECIEVED NO DECORATIONS FOR VALOR, THE ONLY ONE.

Surviving video can be seen at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

NOTE: No one knows the position of John McCain's plane BEFORE it was hit by the missle.

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