Morning Roundup: Around the Web without a Penny

By Beau Friedlander

While markets today will be up because yesterday's OMG-we're-in-a-recession rout exposed a few "bargains," the Financial Times sees severe global economic downturn.

Are we heading for Japan's zero interest rate? Only Ben Bernanke knows, but don't be too surprised if he pulls the trigger again and markets head north for a day and then tank. Mr B is like a person trying to start a car with severe issues. Hint: It is flooded. Won't start. Get an Obamechanic.

Did you catch this CNN flub at yesterday's press conference for Obama's national security team? Spencer Ackerman did. Hint: Ambassador Susan Rice did not head up the African American Affairs. No such thing. Beyond that, I don't even know where to begin. I'm having a brain cramp.

CNN screen grab

The Nation's Katrina vanden Heuvel thinks Robert Gates is the wrong guy for Secretary of Defense, and she will tell you why.

Is David Gregory the new Tim Russert? No. Will he get the job? If you have been following the whole is-he/isnt-he gonna get Meet the Press, MyDD has a rundown of where things stand on that.

Bailout will be called incoherent on December 10 by a government. Let us save you the wait: The bailout plan is incoherent.

Just in case you were getting too worried about the economy, the Washington Post reports that a WMD attack on a major city is now considered "likely" by authorities. 

Because you have to do something while things fall apart, Edison fires up their solar roof panels.

The Christian Science Monitor on one mailman's junk mail jihad.

This article from the Washington Times about Bush's legacy is funny! 

The Guardian has advice on drinking alcohol with moderation for problem drinkers. Good luck with that.

Thinking about getting another degree now that you lost your job? Think again, says Nan Mooney on Alternet. School loans are drying up. 

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Katrina is blind to the value of continuity in that job.

Also, she misses the obvious.

Yet warms certain places!

It is always about the money.

By Kemo Sabe December 2, 2008 - 8:32am

I got about this far into her column...

"How else to explain that not a single top member of Obama's foreign policy/national security team opposed the war..."

...before I realized that Katrina has either never heard of Susan Rice ... or she simply chose to ignore her and her opposition to the Iraq war, because some on The Left can't help but bitch, whine, and moan... facts be damned.

And that's when I stopped reading Katrina's column and closed the window.
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Mourning Joe

Watching Morning Joe this morning was strange. The guy is delusional. He was saying Bush is misunderstood and will be vindicated by History. He said Bush has made America more safe and created a democracy in Iraq and many other good things.

Sorry Joe, Bush created a constitutional theocracy that's devestated the Christian religion and the Christian people in Iraq. They have destroyed any women's rights. Hundreds of thousands have died. They will hate us forever. Hate doesn't make us safe.

No work has been done on our ports. You can mail a bomb. How is that more safe?

Bush has been removing regulations governing clean air and clean water as fast as he can sign them. Does that make us safe?

Bush has decimated our CIA, our EPA, our military, our economy, and our Justice System.

Bush is a shitstain on American politics. That is how history will see Bush.

I saw that also! It was

I saw that also! It was quite bizarre!

I mean Joe has been fairly critical (for a Repub) of Bush, and was surprised to see him suddenly become Bush Water Carrier #1.

Contrary to what Joe Scarred thinks, history will NOT make Bush look better as time goes on. In fact, if we manage to get some more info about the goings-on during his administration after he leaves office (via subpoenas, investigations, etc), then the worst is DEFINATELY still to come for Bush lovers!

-- Yes we DID!!!! --

I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point

As time goes on, and more information begins to surface about the doings of the Bush administration, it will become more and more obvious even to the worst of the Bush lovers that their boy was an appalling mix of incompetence, ignorance and deceit. It will become apparent to even the biggest doubters that Bush was absolutely the worst president in the history of the US, and his deeds will wreak havoc with the world for decades to come. If anything, it should make us grateful that the president only serves 4 year terms, and not 6 years as in some countries, and that he can only serve two terms. Can anyone imagine how much damage he could have done if he had been able to serve longer than he already has?

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

Joe is frequently delusional. It's part of his charm!

Mika isn't a whole lot better, for that matter. I watch it to see what the moderately reality-challenged are up to, but I don't usually expect them to come up with much in the way of rational talk. It's about as far as I can stomach going into the "minds" of today's conservative repubs.

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

By UffdaguyDecember 2, 2008 - 10:49am

It's strange because Joe has been very critical of Bush on the few occasions I caught his show.

He's come to that game lately, about the time it became

"OK" for repubs to admit that maybe, just maybe, the administration screwed up on a few things, like Iraq and the economy. If you had seen him before then, he was a typical Bush apologist.

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

My favorite moment

is still when they first heard that Sarah Palin would be the nominee for VP. "Oh no, that's just not going to work." Joe said, and all agreed. Half an hour later, they got the memo and started talking about how great she would be.

They're still drinking the Palin koolaid over at Morning Joe

Even Mika loves her. I guess her father's intelligence failed to rub off on her.

When Palin was announced as the VP candidate, I was on this board, and I profusely thanked all repubs for handing us the election. And now, I beseech them to do all they can to make sure she is the repub nominee in 2012. It will be an incredible cakewalk for Obama to win re-election if she is the opposition.

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

With Hillary's new title and power

"Team Clinton" will now forge alliances to threaten the world with nuclear annihilation unless she is installed as ruler of the galaxy. This woman is pure evil and must be stopped.

By huffbaggybag2000 December 2, 2008 - 9:30am

This woman is pure evil and must be stopped.
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Psssst: she already was.

Don't you remember? Or has the Alzheimer's been in overdrive?
Here's a quick refresher:

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Will Bill Clinton take Senator Clinton's place

His name is being tossed in the ring apparently.

I am certainly glad the democrats are now in power

But when it comes to this bailout of banks and investment firms and the automakers, I disagree with Bush and the democrats. And while I am certainly not embracing the republicans, it must be stated that those pushing for the bailout are Bush and the democrats in congress.

The problem with the economy started with deregulation in the 1980's. The republicans have pushed for it. This was continued in the 90's under Clinton. However Clinton did not take it as far as a republican would have. Also I would point out that Clinton carried out Perot's idea of reducing the deficit and paying down debt; something republicans refuse to even consider. Still I do not think it is a good idea to have people like Rubin who pushed for deregulation now overseeing the re-regulation of banks.

Wanna bet whether the Governator will get a bailout?

Arnie says CA will run out of money in 2 months, and is over $11 billion in the red. Prop 13 has finally caught up with the Golden State. I say let them fail, so that the few morons who still think Grover Norquist is god will see the chaos that results when you let government die from lack of tax revenue.

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

Hey, I work hard and I

Hey, I work hard and I resent being told that I should go hungry because of Grover Norquist's idiotic ideas. I lost a job when Prop. 13 was first voted in.
"Let them fail?" Only if it's the idiots who refuse to vote for anyone who wants taxes who suffer. The problem is that everyone else will suffer too.

People don't want taxes to cut a huge chunk out of their paychecks in one bite, which is why they put the governator in office. The threat of the car tax was enough to scare people to vote for him. Now the legislature is suggesting the same solution again, a solution that will hurt the poor a lot more than the rich. What they should do is find a way to spread the tax out over the year rather than take it out in one huge chunk.

Get a job in the private sector.

Oh, wait a minute, then you would be held accountable for what you teach. We can't have that, now can we?

I am accountable for what I

I am accountable for what I teach.
Unlike you, who gets to spew lies all over this blog and gets paid for it.

spread the car taxover the year

no problem. Tax the gas. That will also tend to distribute the tax more to the wealthy since they drive the SUVs and gas hog luxury cars. It also rewards people for buying smarter vehicles and for carpooling.

Telecom Immunity Court Proceedings Today

For anyone who might not know...

SAN FRANCISCO — The Bush administration on Tuesday will try to convince a federal judge to let stand a law granting retroactive legal immunity to the nation's telecoms, which are accused of transmitting Americans' private communications to the National Security Agency without warrants.

At issue in the high-stakes showdown — set to begin at 10:00 a.m. PST — are the nearly four dozen lawsuits filed by civil liberties groups and class action attorneys against AT&T, Verizon, MCI, Sprint and other carriers who allegedly cooperated with the Bush administration's domestic surveillance program in the years following the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The lawsuits claim the cooperation violated federal wiretapping laws and the Constitution.
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On Tuesday, lawyers with the Electronic Frontier Foundation are set to urge the federal judge overseeing those lawsuits to reject immunity as unconstitutional. At stake, they say, is the very principle of the rule of law in America.
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The judge presiding over the case, U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker of San Francisco, announced late Monday he wanted to discuss 11 questions (.pdf) at Tuesday's hearing, one of which goes directly to the heart of the immunity legislation.

"Is there any precedent for this type of enactment that is analogous in all of these respects: retroactivity; immunity for constitutional violations; and delegation of broad discretion to the executive branch to determine whether to invoke the provision?," the judge asked.

Carl Tobias, a professor at the University of Richmond School of Law, says the immunity legislation, if upheld, "makes it possible to extend immunity to other areas of the law."
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The EFF is now challenging the immunity legislation on the grounds that it seeks to circumvent the Constitution's separation of powers clause, as well as Americans' Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures.

"The legislation is an attempt to give the president the authority to terminate claims that the president has violated the people's Fourth Amendment rights," the EFF's Cohn says. "You can't do that."

For those interested, the folks at the Wired blog will be covering the proceedings live.

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Oral arguments in Walker's courtroom are scheduled for 10 a.m. PST on Tuesday. Threat Level will cover the proceedings live.
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Links: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/12/feds-eff-arguin.html

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Senator... Al Franken?!

Don't look now, but... Al Franken has taken the lead. By, um, thousands of votes!

Statewide Recount Results for US Senate
Precincts Recounted: 93.75% (3872 of 4130)
Last update was: 12/1/2008 8:00:01 PM

Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Norm Coleman: 1103291
Nov. 4 Ballots Cast for Al Franken: 1107528

Of course, this is a huge swing in the vote total that previously showed Coleman ahead, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and take a guess that precincts leaning heavily Dem are now being recounted. Can Al hold onto that lead? The final recounting of votes will tell! But it looks pretty good so far.
Stay tuned...
http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/SenateRecount.asp

Where's Kill-Twitty when you wanna rub it in a little...?
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Hummmmmmmmmmmmm

Reporter to Obama: Um, didn’t you belittle Hillary’s foreign policy cred during the primaries?
posted at 1:39 pm on December 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Sure he did, but you can’t hold him to things he said in the heat of battle. Remember, this is a guy who lied repeatedly on the stump about a pillar of American trade policy and then climbed down as soon as it was safe to do so. BS-ing about his contempt for Hillary’s qualifications is small potatoes by comparison.

Note Her Majesty nodding along at the beginning as Obama pointedly reaffirms that he’ll be the one setting policy. Lurking over her shoulder (literally, in some of the camera angles) is Susan Rice, who was originally touted for State or NSA and who’ll end up instead as ambassador to the UN — which The One now plans to make into a cabinet-level position. That’s significant for two reasons: (1) it signals to the public that he’s serious about “soft power” playing a vastly bigger role in his administration than it did in Bush’s, and (2) it signals to Hillary that if she steps out of line he has someone capable of replacing her without missing a beat. How capable? Maguire points out that while Rice is known for being hawkish on intervening against genocides, she had no problem with The One’s plan to pull out of Iraq notwithstanding the likely outcome. Which is just where Hillary stood at the time, except she was even blunter about it:

Asked if Americans would endure having troops in Iraq who do nothing to stop sectarian attacks there, Mrs. Clinton replied, “Look, I think the American people are done with Iraq. I think they’re at a point where, whether they thought it was a good idea or not, they have seen misjudgment and blunder after blunder, and their attitude is, what is this getting us? What is this doing for us?”

“No one wants to sit by and see mass killing,” she added. “It’s going on every day! Thousands of people are dying every month in Iraq. Our presence there is not stopping it. And there is no potential opportunity I can imagine where it could. This is an Iraqi problem — we cannot save the Iraqis from themselves. If we had a different attitude going in there, if we had stopped the looting immediately, if we had asserted our authority — you can go down the lines, if, if, if.”

I’m going to stop here before I talk myself out of supporting the pick again. Not shown in the video, incidentally: Joe Biden, who finally got to say a few words at one of these pressers because he is, of course, a foreign policy genius who got the surge just as wrong as Hillary did.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Remember, this is a guy who lied repeatedly on the stump about a pillar of American trade policy and then climbed down as soon as it was safe to do so.

--------Who knows what you are even talking about? But if you want to talk about people dying in Iraq, here is a little something about the genocide being carried out against the Iraqi Christians.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/60minutes/main3553612.shtml

--------This was updated by 60 Minutes from CBS News, that hotbed of liberial bias.

From the time of Jesus, there have been Christians in what is now Iraq. The Christian community took root there after the Apostle Thomas headed east in the year 35.

But now, after nearly 2,000 years, Iraqi Christians are being hunted, murdered and forced to flee -- persecuted on a biblical scale in Iraq's religious civil war. You'd have to be mad to hold a Christian service in Iraq today, but if you must, then the vicar of Baghdad is your man. He's the Reverend Canon Andrew White, an Anglican chaplain who suffers from multiple sclerosis and from a fanatical determination to save the last Iraqi Christians from the purge.

http://www.icin.org.uk/pages/Another_Surge_Needed.html

Christians constitute 40 percent of the refugees leaving the country. Most of these have found refuge in Syria and Jordan, where they are living in utterly degrading conditions. The current rate of Christian exodus is estimated at about 2,000 a day.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/10/13/iraq.main/index.html

Thirteen Christians have been slain in the past two weeks in the city, which is located about 420 kilometers (260 miles) north of Baghdad.

At least 900 Christian families have fled in recent days, reportedly frightened by a series of killings and threats by Muslim extremists ordering them to convert to Islam or face possible death, Iraqi officials said.

------Even Al Jazeera reports on the obvious.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/10/2008101415393695590...

The Chaldean Catholic archbishop of Mosul was kidnapped in February and his body was found two weeks later.

Although the Iraqi authorities have yet to publicly announce who they believe is behind the campaign of violence, many believe it is the work of al-Qaeda.

But some Christians have placed the blame on other elements in the city - home to Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen - saying there is a systematic campaign to oust them from the city.

Kanna, like other Christians, said he hinted that there might be government involvement.

"I don't want to accuse anyone, but I am saying that [those carrying out attacks] are wearing police uniforms," he said.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,587345,00.html

To stop the Christians who are fleeing Mosul, their persecutors set up fake checkpoints along the roads leading out of the city. They are often robbed, beaten and even killed. In the Sadik neighborhood, masked men recently stopped a man with his child. When they saw a Christian name on his identification card, they shot the man on the spot. When the boy said the man they had just killed was his father, they shot him as well

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/255/story/53808.html

But as Iraq grew bloody and violent the Christian community dwindled. Now some estimate that more than half of Iraq's Christians have fled. White believes that the Christian community is about a quarter of the estimated 800,000.

"It isn't easy for these people to leave," he said. "They have no representation... we need the Christian world to do something about it."

-----The chairman of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom said Iraqi Christians don't have militias to defend themselves, so they must rely instead on Iraq's government and U.S. forces. All I can say is good luck on that. American Christians are saying we are "winning" in Iraq. I guess when it comes to Christian genocide, you have to "break a few eggs".

Double Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Texas judge dismisses Cheney, Gonzales charges
Christopher Sherman, Associated Press

(12-02) 04:00 PST Raymondville, Texas --

A judge dismissed indictments against Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Monday and told the south Texas prosecutor who brought the case to exercise caution as his term in office ends.
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Willacy County District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra had accused Cheney and the other defendants of responsibility for prisoner abuse. The judge's order ended two weeks of sometimes-bizarre court proceedings.

Guerra is leaving office at the end of the month after being soundly defeated in the March primary election.

"I suggest on behalf of the law that you not present any cases to the grand jury involving these defendants," Administrative Judge Manuel Banales said in court while ruling that eight indictments against Cheney, Gonzales and others were invalid.

Three of the eight indictments returned Nov. 17 targeted private prison operator the GEO Group, state Sen. Eddie Lucio Jr., Cheney and Gonzales, as part of an investigation into prisoner abuse at privately run federal prisons in the county.

Guerra ran the investigation into alleged prisoner abuse with a siege mentality. He worked it from his home, dubbed it "Operation Goliath" and kept it secret from his staff, he said. He gave all the witnesses biblical pseudonyms - his was "David."

Banales dismissed all eight indictments because GEO Group attorney Tony Canales showed that two alternate jurors were part of the panel that day but had not been properly substituted.

Five of the indictments - against two district judges, two special prosecutors and the district clerk - were dismissed because Guerra was the alleged victim, witness and prosecutor. The indictments accused the five of abusing their power by being involved in a previous investigation of Guerra.

The indictment against Cheney alleged that his personal investment in the Vanguard Group, which invests in private prison companies, made him culpable in alleged prisoner abuse at privately run federal detention centers.

Gonzales was accused of using his position to stop an investigation into abuses at a federal detention center.

Triple Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Obama shelves oil company tax after price fall: aide
Tue Dec 2, 2008 9:20pm EST

By Jeff Mason and Tom Doggett

CHICAGO/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President-elect Barack Obama is not planning to implement a windfall profit tax on oil companies because prices have dropped below $80 a barrel, an aide said on Tuesday.

"President-elect Obama announced the policy during the campaign because oil prices were above $80 per barrel," an aide on Obama's transition team said. "They are currently below that now and expected to stay below that."

Oil prices have fallen from a record $147 a barrel in July to under $50 this week.

Obama, who signaled early in his campaign for the White House that he would take an active approach to oil markets as president, had planned to use the revenue from a windfall profits tax to fund a tax rebate for low- and middle-income families struggling with high energy prices.

But the aide said Obama's presidential campaign had already taken the price drop into account six weeks ago. When Obama laid out his economic plan for the middle class in mid-October, revenue from a windfall profit tax was not included because of the price change, he said.

Oil companies steadfastly opposed a tax, saying it would stifle exploration and innovation.

The switch drew applause from industry.

"The judgment to withdraw the concept of a windfall profits tax is an important recognition that developing America's oil and natural gas would be seriously damaged by such a tax policy," said Lee Fuller, vice president of government relations for the Independent Petroleum Association of America, which represents independent oil and gas producers.

"A windfall profits tax is bad policy at any price," said Thomas Pyle, president of the Institute for Energy Research, calling the move "a heartening development -- both for consumers and an economy struggling to claw its way out of recession."

Many energy experts warned that imposing a windfall profits tax would discourage energy companies from drilling for oil in the United States, which would exacerbate U.S. reliance on foreign suppliers.

But environmentalists support a tax and want oil companies to invest more in renewable fuels.

Obama has made revamping U.S. energy policy a key priority of his upcoming presidency, promising to increase production of renewable energy sources and start a carbon trading system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

He said recently that the fall in gasoline prices was not an excuse to put off tackling U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

Oil Tycoon T. Boone Pickens, who met with Obama during the campaign to discuss energy policy, said he was against a windfall profits tax but did not believe the decision not to implement one would affect domestic oil production.

"The windfall profits tax won't have anything to do with killing any oil projects," Pickens told reporters in Washington.
(Reporting by Jeff Mason and Tom Doggett; Editing by Gary Hill)
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