Cheap Gas = Death of Green?

By Beau Friedlander

Caterpillar International and Toyota both brought bad news today. Oil prices are off 70% from their $147 peak in July. Eight months ago, any yegg with the ability to execute a financial transaction was a genius, but the bubble that burst in Q4 was the result of 8 years of Bush economic policy that can be summed up thus: reckless deregulation. One would think we learned a lesson these past months, but of late that old Bush recklessness has some pundits saying cheap gas will be the death of alternative energy.

We don't hear much about the precipitous fall of crude prices in connection with conspiracy theory and popular revolt. It's a pity. What we hear is the usual pabulum that a weak economy means less demand. Less demand means decreased production which means the manufacturing sector requires less in the way of non-renewable energy, and the rest is copper-bottomed supply-and-demand economics. On a macroeconomical level this is undeniable truth, but this truth obtunds what might otherwise seem a lot like Bush-sponsored price gouging on the part of Big Oil this past summer. How else can one explain a 70% decrease in cost? Of course there are many other ways to explain it, but it is the extremes I am questionining here, not the gestalt.

We're hearing a lot about the connection between weak gas prices and weaker green technology. The connection is more concrete with each passing day, and yet the reality here is that our shared future of energy independence is being held hostage by a bunch of half-wit Wall Street suits with attention deficit disorder--the sort of dolts who are probably this very moment in a Cadillac showroom shopping for an Escalade because a gallon of gas costs about the same as a gallon of water.

Does anyone seriously think that gasoline prices are going to hold at a buck and change? Let's face it my dear Shlubbos of the Economic Binge, as soon as we get around the sharp-edged threat of deflation (if we do) these prices are going to shoot up again. The planet is still running out of oil. Remember peak oil? What happens then?

While pundits talk about investment dollars mouse-tailing along the moulding of economic decline, there is a shortsighted feature to the conversation that makes me want to scream. Yes, there are people on the business side of life who are truly capable of being in the moment (no matter how much that moment is characterized by panic and disorder) to fill their pockets at the expense of everyone and everything else. There are bad people out there who need to be cornered by a watchdog 24/7. Bush was not much for watchdogs, and we're paying for that now, but to look at this easy breath coming out of the dying beast of our oil economy and to say because of it that we don't need to invest in green energy is 100% ant-and-grasshopper insanity.

T. Boone Pickens of BP Capital Management was on MSNBC's Morning Joe today and he stated a great case for why green energy is the place for whatever excess cash you might have lying around. Remember those shares of Microsoft you bought back in the day of rotary phones? Pickens ought to know a good longterm investment, right? Check out the video, and remember, while you're hoarding those gold coins, to throw a little cash at green technology.

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Oil is not cheap energy now or at any time.

Greed for oil has killed and permanently maimed thousands. Greed for oil has destroyed millions of acres of this planet. Greed for oil has caused countless epidemics and killed off entire tribes.
Even at 1 cent a barrel it's much worse than nuclear bombs dropped on the planet.

Now is the time to go green while oil companies gear up for the next assault of lies and death!
If you snuzze, you lose and so does the planet.

CoyoteMan

WHAT A MORONIC RANT THAT

WHAT A MORONIC RANT THAT WAS. Why don't you go green and not heat your home with oil or electricity. And why don't you give up all modes of modern transportation that uses oil to create energy and see how that goes, sitting Bull.

No, what is moronic is your apparent insistence that if you have

any questions about using fossil fuels, you must want to do without them completely. What he was pointing out is something that people have been saying for years. Large amounts of government spending, especially on the military, are due to our dependence on oil, yet those costs are never factored into the true cost of oil. Why do we maintain a worldwide military presence? It certainly isn't because we want to bring peace and democracy to the world. We are protecting our access to vital strategic resources beyond our shores, most especially oil. Why do we have the navy? Because it protects the sea lanes that bring us that oil, (as well as cheap garbage from China).

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

Hey bebe,

I heat my house with not using oil or electricity. It is called a wood stove you idiot. Wich heats my house just fine and well thank you very much. Now as far as wood I cut it myself, and I mainly take down dead trees that need to be out of the way for new growth.

BYE AGAIN DUMMY

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Oh, look....it's Runs With

Oh, look....it's Runs With No Brain...er....Cochise. HOW!!!!! LMAO. Do you cool your house with that same wood stove? Do you use the wood stove for your television, air conditioner, lighting, water heating, etc.? Do you ride your paint into town for supplies or do you drive that old gas guzzling pickup in the back yard? Unbelievable. You expect people to believe your bullshit?
Oh, BTW, I still haven't seen any Iroquois names on the Declaration of Independence, Sitting Bull.

Poor baby homey

Still having your little problems? Can't deal with your precious g0p getting kicked to the curb last month? Or are you so short on new material that you have to fall back on attacking the messenger instead of trying to find flaws in the message?

Maybe you need some Enzyte™. It won't help your mental capacity any, and by all appearances that's where you REALLY need the help, but maybe it'll give you a little boost of confidence. Of course, so does your crack habit, but we won't go into that, will we, cracker?

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

Science. It works, bitches!

Yo, nigger.... imaginary

Yo, nigger.... imaginary boy.....you know we whiteys don't use the gutter drug of choice,crack. We are into the meth and powder cocaine. You should know that, boy. Don't know why you lefty blues always have to go all racial and all, but I returned the compliment. Enjoy, Junior.

Poor baby homey

Still attacking the messenger because you can't find any fault with the message, huh?

Next time you show up for a battle of wits, try showing up armed and armored. You might last longer.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Poor bebe

Bebe,

If you only knew that I am a recovering drug addict, and have been for almost 15 years now.

And you have no right to use the word nigger, it is degrating, and shows that you have no class. I would dare you to call my cousin that to his face and see what happens. The last time a person called him a nigger me and him cleared the bar, and got the beer bought for us for the night. I also see that you are real big behind the keyboard, so in real life you are more then likely a scared little boy.

bye bye dummy

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LOLOL....you are a piece of

LOLOL....you are a piece of work , Runs with no Brain. First off, I call the ones that call me "cracker", nigger. Kinda a mutual respect thing. I'm sure you understand. You can't throw out insults without expecting them to come back at you. And I couldn't care less that you are a "recovering" drug addict. That shows YOUR weakness.

Weakness,

That gets a big laugh from me. Seeing how you no nothing about what you speak of. Infact by admitting to what I am makes me stronger not only mentally, but also in real strenth then you. It takes someone of real weakness to call names and to try to degrate someone for what they are example YOU. You are the weak one not me, but you are nothing more then a white hairless ape.

Now for Jackass. I warm my house with a renewable resourse and you want call me an anti-enviromentalist. What a crock of crap you spout there. Excuse me now so I can go and cut some wood from my land. Post Oak is the best fire wood from around here.

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Oh, BTW, I still haven't

Oh, BTW, I still haven't seen any Iroquois names on the Declaration of Independence, Sitting Bull.

Poor bigot is furious that the Iroquois influenced the writing of the US Constitution. So he sits around taunting people trying to get them off topic. Pathetic!

Doesn't burning wood cause

Doesn't burning wood cause more pollution? What if everybody did this, we wouldn't have any forests left.

If this had happened a few months ago, befoire the economy

tanked, I would have guaranteed you that cheap gas would have gotten Americans to go back to big SUVS, but I think this recession has finally changed the mindset of many people. Americans have typically been very shortsighted, rarely looking more than a year into the future on much of anything. Now, though, I see more people taking a longer view of things, and if they do so, they can see that cheap gas isn't going to last. Oil has sunk to its current low price because the global economy has gone into the deepest recession since the Great Depression. When things start to get better, which is around 2010, according to a lot of economists, gas will also start to rise.

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

By UffdaguyDecember 23, 2008 - 9:54am

I completely agree, the cheap gas may be a nice respite but oil is finite and as use goes up, supply WILL go down. I love that Chavez and Imademonjihad are getting their butts kicked at $40 a barrel but it isn't gonna last. The best thing we can do as a nation is for Obama to move an alternate means of energy and force the Big 3 to move away from gasoline. Sever the cord between the Big 3 and oil companes and if the oil companies have any brains, they will invest in solar, wind and nuke.. It's a matter of national security....

The best part of an Obama Presidency is that Hillary will NEVER be President..

You gotta get over this hatred of Chavez and Ahmedinajad

They are not the demons that the Bush administration says they are. In fact, I was reading yesterday that it's looking more and more likely that Ahmedinajad will lose his re-election bid next year. Who are you going to demonize then?

As for Chavez, he is just one step beyond a tinpot dictator, but you can't really call him a real villain either. He is a creation of US foreign policy in Latin America. If we treated the region with even the tiniest amount of respect, there would be no Chavez. We need to recognize that the region is a potential bonanza for business. Brazil is a real powerhouse, with a space program and nuclear program. Uh oh....does that mean we should attack them now before they build WMD and attack us?

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

By UffdaguyDecember 23, 2008 - 11:02am

I hope you're right about Imademonjihad losing his reelection bid and if the Iranian people put in somebody who is more moderate, than hopefully relations will normalize. I'd love for the Iranians to elect somebody who doesn't believe that the US is Satan into office. Hell if they were to put the equivalent of an Obama into office, life for EVERYBODY would be great (it seems like the US has taken the first step, let's see if they step with us or step on our toes). As far a Chavez, well, you're right, he is a "tin cup dictator" but he runs the country. And make no mistake, HE runs it. Once he's gone, maybe things will normalize there too...

I've go no issues with any country wanting nuclear energy as long as they are state sponsors of terrorism. As far as I've heard, Brazil doesn't sponsor terrorism... You can't compare N. Korea and Iran to Brazil.....

The best part of an Obama Presidency is that Hillary will NEVER be President..

The one thing you fail to appreciate is that no matter who gets

elected in Iran, that person does not run the country. Every decision they make can be overruled by the ruling mullahs. Ahmedinajad has pissed them off plenty, and it seems like they aren't behind him for the upcoming election. The favored candidate is considered to be more of a moderate.

As for Chavez, he is a product of US policies. Hell, we tried to overthrow him! I'd say that's a pretty good reason for him to take the attitude he's taken toward the US. If another country tried to overthrow our government, it's likely we wouldn't be all that keen on having close relations with them either.

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

Got everybody beat....

....on this board (or maybe not:)

I have a geothermal heat pump in my friggin house! Cost a shit load to install 10K euro for system and drilling the holes but all I pay is the electricity to run the pump....also have a water heater for the shower ect....

Anyway, livin the eco dream baby....

That sounds like a great system!

It sounds like it may actually be cheaper than solar. Do you have any sites I can look at to learn more about it?

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

We built a house here in Germany....

....and to tell ya the truth I kind of stumbled into it. At first we were looking at a heating system that burns wood chips but it was too expensive for my taste and the hopper took up too much room.

We got with a builder who gave us a really low estimate for the geothermal heating system so I bit.....anyway, even though our contract said "grund heizung inclusive" (my german sux) they hit me up with a 7K euro bill (on top of the contracted 7k) for drilling the holes. Long story short is I went to a lawyer...he said I didn't have to pay...builder wanted to go to court...I couldn't afford the time it would take because I was already paying off the loan....so we cut a deal and I payed half. I might have gone another route if I knew the total cost beforehand.

I'd like to say I had investigated the geothermal thing before hand but like I said I stumbled into it....

Anyway, heres a link that explains it and I'm not sure about the companies in the states....

http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/home/heating_cooling/geothermal.html

I've been very happy with it and floor heating is the bomb....no cold floors. It takes a while to adjust the heating because you have to adjust the the water flow in the rooms and the temp is constant so if you want your bedrooms to be cooler you have to experiment a bit because it takes a day or two for you to notice the change. Once you have it adjusted properly it's great.

....also....

...my electricity bill hasn't been very high. Doesn't seem like the pump uses all that much because I don't pay that much higher of a bill than when I was renting.

Looking at that site I put up it looks like the drilling in the states is more expensive than what paid but the system looks about the same.

Oil profits

Oil profits are all Bush and Cheney care about. No number of dead soldiers will change their minds.

War criminals to the end.

That is just a moronic

That is just a moronic statement. Neither of them are in the oil business.

Are you going to call Obama a war criminal when he doesn't pull us out of Iraq on day 1?

By jumpingjackflashDecember 24, 2008 - 2:15am

Oh look another dummy joined the discussion.

Psst

...what's Halliburton's primary business drive?

Go look it up. We'll wait.

...NOT!

You ARE one stupid momofuckyou, aren't you?

Science. It works, bitches!

By nonexistent manDecember 24, 2008 - 4:06am

LOL

I think I caught some friendly fire. Was that suppose to be a response to JJ?

D'oh!

You're right, it was meant for jjf. My bad.

Axial tilt is the reason for the season!

Go ahead and live in your little

world and believe what you like, but don't try to pass off your misconceptions as reality here. They might work at Townhall,however.

Maybe you should google "Arbusto", then "Bush Exploration" then "Harken Energy"

Keep your eyes peeled as to which corporation's board The Shrub will be appointed to by his thankful industry, because Pelosi is a criminal too and is protecting her ass by allowing the worst crimes ever committed against our people by a sitting president to go unchecked.

As far as Cheney goes, as was mentioned, just google "Halliburton" and more specifically "KBR" Cheney's $100 million fortune is mainly due to his CEOship at this energy company. You might also google "no bid contracts" These guys recieved billions in the form of no-bid contracts in Iraq. Interesting how that worked out, right? Your tax dollars were not spent judiciously, they were given away to campaign contributors and future war criminal employers.

You really need to listen to more than Hannity. The guy has gone completely bonkers since the election and will say anything these days....not that this is anything new, but just more extreme as of late.

Does Cheney currently have

Does Cheney currently have anything to do with Halliburton? No.

Who set the precedent giving Halliburton no bid contacts? Hmmm...

You guys have been going bonkers for the last 8 years. Step back and think a little.

Pssst

...how much are Cheney's Halliburton stock options currently worth?

Yes, Virginia, he most certainly DOES have something to do with Halliburton. A very, very great deal to do with it. Can't have his profit margins drying up, can he? Care to explain the nearly $400,000 deferred-compensation package he received from them in 2004 alone?

And that's just for starters. I'll stop there and let you leave the field gracefully, instead of kicking your tail between your ears...it's Christmas, after all, and I'm feeling peculiarly generous and kindly toward those less fortunate than I.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Please, please don't tell me

Please, please don't tell me you're that naive, or that ignorant, or that stupid.

By MichtouDecember 26, 2008 - 6:41pm

LOL

frogg has proven time and again just how ignorant he is.

Cracker Jack

Hey, queermo, you shouldn't

Hey, queermo, you shouldn't defile the stars and bars like that. It has nothing to do with slavery or racism as you lefties would have evryone to believe. It was the battle flag of the Confederacy during the "states' rights" war of northern aggression. Had very little if anything to do with slavery as the north had a substantial amount of Negro slaves throughout the war.

By bebeholmes December 24, 2008 - 10:32am

It was the battle flag of the Confederacy...

Correction: "It was the battle flag of the [traitorous losers]..."

Evil Oil Companies

Hey, does everyone remember when the oil price was high, and all those whiney, brainless liberals (especially the ones in congress) kept blaming those evil oil companies for screwing us all?

Hmmm. Now the oil prices are low. Why aren't all the liberals kissing the oil companies' asses and expounding about how generous they are?

Just curious.

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