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Obama Says No To Religious Discrimination

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Yesterday, the AP erroneously reported that Barack Obama would permit faith based discrimination in hiring with non-taxpayers funds for organizations that would participate in his faith based initiative. Subsequently, the NYTimes erroneously reported that there was a legal basis for this position based on theDale Boy Scouts case. Apparently, the Obama campaign made clear that Obama says no to faith based discrimination:

Mr. Obama’s position that religious organizations would not be able to consider religion in their hiring for such programs would constitute a deal-breaker for many evangelicals, said several evangelical leaders, who represent a political constituency Mr. Obama has been trying to court. “For those of who us who believe in protecting the integrity of our religious institutions, this is a fundamental right,” said Richard Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals. “He’s rolling back the Bush protections. That’s extremely disappointing.”

(Emphasis supplied.) To me, that is extremely heartening. Indeed, it would have been a deal breaker for me if Obama endorsed religious discrimination. I am happy to see that Obama opposes and will not countenance religious discrimination. John McCain endorses religious discrimination -- "Mr. McCain “disagrees with Senator Obama that hiring at faith-based groups should be subject to government oversight.” McCain is simply not an option for those voters who believe in separation of church and state.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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Awww, NUTS

...there goes the RepubliCANT Official Talking Point for the week. I guess that means they'll have to fall back on Clark's comments about McBush now.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manJuly 2, 2008 - 12:28pm

Reverend Barry W. Lynn, United Church of Christ minister &

executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told Olberman on Countdown (July 1) that Evangelicals comprise about 18% of voters.

Lynn went on say that for these hardcore Right Wingers, the only issues are Abortion & Gay Marriage. These people are not the Christians who want to embrace environmentalism, jobs, the economy, Iraq war or the other pressing issues in this country. In other words, they still see Bush as their "pastor".

I felt it rather useless for Obama to pander to 1 or 2% of that 18% of voters. These are the same people who would "drink lye rather than vote for a Democrat". (Quote I got from a voter.)

This smells like the DNC calling the shots like they did with John Kerry. You all remember how well John Kerry did with the advice & strategies of people like Carville & the DNC in the 2004 presidential campaign.
CoyoteMan

By CoyoteManJuly 2, 2008 - 12:41pm

So, your saying Lynn speaks

for who? How does he know what issues, other than Abortion and gay marriage of interests to evangelicals?
Anyone that goes on the olberman show is a nut anyway.

By leftysrsickJuly 2, 2008 - 12:45pm

So all these former guests

So all these former guests from Olbermann's show are nuts?

Includes people from major periodicals (Newsweek, Time, WSJ, Post), current and former military personel, veterans and even conservatives!

Howard Fineman, Newsweek contributor—political
Margaret Carlson, TIME Magazine columnist and author of Anyone Can Grow Up: How George Bush and I Made it to the White House—journalistic, political
Pat Buchanan, Conservative commentator, former U.S. Presidential Candidate and author—political
Craig Crawford, columnist for the Congressional Quarterly—political (on location in Washington, D.C.)
Jonathan Alter, senior editor for Newsweek magazine—political
John Dean, former White House Counsel to Richard Nixon—political
Jonathan Turley, professor of law and Constitutional scholar—political
John Harwood, Wall Street Journal political editor and CNBC contributing reporter—political
General Barry McCaffrey, Ret.—military
Dana Milbank, national political reporter for The Washington Post—political
Robin Wright (author), diplomatic correspondent for The Washington Post —terrorism and international events
Clint Van Zandt, former FBI profiler—abductions/murders
Richard Wolffe, also of Newsweek—political
Wesley Clark, retired four-star general—military analyst for MSNBC
Derek Pitts, The Franklin Institute—Space and astronomy-related news
Richard Justice, Sports Writer for the Houston Chronicle
Chris Cillizza, blogger for The Washington Post
Eugene Robinson, newspaper columnist for The Washington Post
Jon Soltz, Iraq War Veteran, Co-Founder and Chairman of VoteVets.org

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

By dtaylo75July 2, 2008 - 4:02pm

Obama Got Discount on Home Loan

Within Obama's presidential campaign organization, former Fannie Mae chief executive James A. Johnson resigned abruptly as head of the vice presidential search committee after his favorable Countrywide loan became public.

But amid a national housing crisis, news of discounts offered to Sens. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the banking committee, and Kent Conrad (D-N.D) by another lender, Countrywide Financial, has brought new scrutiny to the practice and has resulted in a preliminary Senate ethics committee inquiry into the Dodd and Conrad loans.
washingtonpost.com

By leftysrsickJuly 2, 2008 - 12:54pm

Good riddance to them

President Obama will need trustworthy people around him, and the Countrywide folks have proven themselves to be anything but trustworthy.

Now, can you provide us with the documents that demonstrate President Obama got his mortgage through Countrywide? No? We didn't think so.

Now go enlist, traitor scum.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manJuly 2, 2008 - 1:29pm

I guess you haven't heard, mr nano man

your the traitor, for not supporting the troops, and actively undermining their efforts, by propagating propaganda, innuendo and lies. By the way, like I have previously stated, I have served. I am a veteran, your not. So get off your damn high horse, and go enlist.
you traitorist scum bag.

Now, before you come back with some inane response, please explain to the folks why you insist on doing your traitorious deeds.

Then explain your use of the word traitor to demean me. I think more than one person has asked you to explain yourself. Now do so, or just go away.

By leftysrsickJuly 2, 2008 - 4:50pm

Ever hear of the "Oath of Enlistment"?

Obviously, you've never seen it, read it...or sworn it. You're nothing more than a fucking traitorious liar who wants to see the troops defeated so there are fewer of them to return and need VA benefits.

You and your hero Cowboy-hat Oathbreaker. The Constitution means nothing to either of you.

Go enlist, traitor scum. Join the troops you claim to support. If we're all lucky you'll be casualty # 4,107. And it'll be a frag.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manJuly 2, 2008 - 5:46pm

Hey nano man

How am I doing that? We are winning the war against the Islamo facist, a war you don't even believe exists. I did take the "enlistment oath", but you never have. I am still waiting to hear I am a traitor to this country, nano man. We all know that your a traitor. To your country, your party, and your family. Grow a set, dude.

By leftysrsickJuly 2, 2008 - 9:47pm

By leftysrsickJuly 2, 2008 - 10:47pm

*yawn*

Another fake internet "veteran". Your membership in the 101st Fightin' Keyboard Kommandos doesn't count as service to your country, numbnuts.

George W. & George H.W. Bush - Living proof that the dumbshit doesn't fall far from the dumbass.

By Guy FawkesJuly 2, 2008 - 11:51pm

By leftysrsick July 2, 2008 - 5:50pm

Wingnuts never cease to amaze.

They can get through a phrase like "propagating propaganda" just fine.

But toss'em a contraction, and it's back to second grade for them...
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The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
Obama / Sebelius '08

By SJerseyIndyJuly 2, 2008 - 5:57pm

It's something lacking in their education

They've been taught to parrot the key phrases people like the drug addict toss them, but when it comes to the language they say they want to see made the national language of this country...well, before they push THAT agenda too far, they'd better first learn to speak it and write it properly.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manJuly 2, 2008 - 5:59pm

your the traitor, for not

your the traitor, for not supporting the troops, and actively undermining their efforts, by propagating propaganda, innuendo and lies

The people on this board, like Obama, believe that going into Iraq was WRONG in the beginning. And the last 5 years have proved us right. We sent our most valuable resource, our sons and daughters, over to find the WMD.... eh, spread democracy... ummmm, spread freedom... ahhh, secure the region... Oh I forget now.

So those of us who want our troops OUT of harms way, who WANT them to have educational benefits and adequate medical treatments (including mental health issues), we're the ones who are traitors for not supporting out troops?

You make the common Republican mistake, you confuse the "mission" with the "troops". The "troops" are people, human beings, flesh and blood. We support THEM. You support the "Mission", but not the troops.

The Iraq "war" was a complete failure. None of the previous list of stated reasons for being there has been met, the puppet government we set up there is operating a farsical version of Democracy, and even THEY want us out. We've provided a strong recruitment tool for new terrorists by our presence there, and even done them the added favor of placing ourselves conveniently in their back yard making their jihad that much easier. Al Quada has reconstituted to pre-9/11 levels as a result of this, per reports from our own government. Now we are stuck policing a civil war in Iraq and are viewed as occupiers not liberators by the people we are supposed to be helping

Tell me a single facet of this occupation that was a success!

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

By dtaylo75July 3, 2008 - 9:40am

By leftysrsick July 2, 2008 - 1:54pm

Thank dog for quality credit scores!

I know I wouldn't have wanted to get stuck with the "average" when I bought my home...
____________________
The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
Obama / Sebelius '08

By SJerseyIndyJuly 2, 2008 - 4:05pm

I got a HUGE discount on a

I got a HUGE discount on a car loan because I have a very good credit score. I guess you wouldn't understand that, would you.
I'm laughing all the way to the bank with my ONE PERCENT car loan and my 798 credit score.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

By MichtouJuly 2, 2008 - 6:40pm

What's Obama's credit score?

You know he is associated with some pretty shady people, don't you?
By the way, I do believe he is a credible candidate, but I just don't believe he is ready for the job. And McCain is not an ideal candidate, either, but he does have the experience. One thing I do like about both candidates is the civility shown by both men, unlike you people and some of Obama's surrogate's.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
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Dwight D. Eisenhower, From a speech before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16, 1953

By leftysrsickJuly 2, 2008 - 9:54pm

You're quoting Eisenhower

You're quoting Eisenhower out of context. Quote the whole speech, will ya?

You and your sockpuppets make me laugh.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower

By MichtouJuly 2, 2008 - 9:59pm

It Just Goes to Show

Obama Says No To Religious Discrimination

Supposition based on simple speculation is no substitute for surety...
____________________
The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
Obama / Sebelius '08

By SJerseyIndyJuly 2, 2008 - 4:09pm

By SJerseyIndyJuly 2, 2008 - 5:09pm

Are you trying to tell me that anusleaky jumped to false conclusions AGAIN?! Perish the thought...

Where's the video of Obama saying any of this shit? That whole AP article was conjecture. Obama "plans" to say this, Obama "plans" to say that. I'm not buying it until I hear him say these things himself.

Support the Troops
End the Occupation

By Guy FawkesJuly 1, 2008 - 1:27pm

Your messiah is more conservative
than Hillary. You were fooled as you always are. How could you libtards not have expected this? It just shows your lack of life experience. Now make some excuses for your leader. Damned 20 something morons.

By hufflarry2000July 1, 2008 - 1:32pm

George W. & George H.W. Bush - Living proof that the dumbshit doesn't fall far from the dumbass.

By Guy FawkesJuly 2, 2008 - 6:35pm

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