The Feds Object To Energy Smart Local Governance

By A Siegel

Read more great enviromental and energy policy posts at EnergySmart

 

Montgomery County, Maryland,266086986_25270589b8_m.jpg is moving toward a stronger building code, with requirements for new homes to meet the Energy Star home building
parameters. This is the type of measure rapidly implementable across
the country to help foster the move toward a more sensible building
infrastructure such as envisioned by Architecture2030 (which has a plan to a deCarbonized building infrastructure by 2030).

The move to Energy Star construction, as the minimum standard, will
mean a reduction of energy consumption by at least 15 percent over
existing building code.

But they’re being opposed in their efforts by … [drumroll] … the Bush administration.

 

This is part of an overall Montgomery County effort to achieve an 80 percent reduction in County carbon emissions by 2050.

“We are attacking literally every source of greenhouse gas that
exists and ensuring that our county and our citizens use less energy,”
said council member Roger Berliner (D-Potomac-Bethesda), lead sponsor
of the measures and an energy lawyer.

Other measures include property tax credits for residents who 541373308_0e4a6dc846_m.jpgpay
more for renewable energy and a requirement for disclosing utility
costs on a home sale. (NOTE to self: next time buying a home, make sure
to have an energy audit!)

This Energy Smart piece of local legislation will help foster a
shift from Cost to Buy to a Cost to Own calculation in terms of home
construction, even if buyers will not really have a choice. The
building code, itself, will favor upfront investments in energy
efficiency (and, potentially, renewable energy) that will make home
more comfortable, reduce energy use, and reduce pollution loads.

There will be that additional upfront cost.

Depending on the size of the home, analysts and developers estimate
that construction costs would increase $2,000 to $20,000. For an
$800,000 home — the average price for new residential construction —
Berliner said that an additional $10,000 would increase the overall
cost by about 1.25 percent.

Pause for a moment: $800,000 as the average price? Slowly exhale breath in contemplating that figure …

At 15 cents per kilowatt hour electricity, how much will a homeowner
save each year on utilities? $1,000? $2,000? More? Again, this is an
upfront investment that will literally pay for itself for the homeowner
while reducing the burden on the rest of the community.

There is a however, however.

Raquel Montenegro, a lobbyist for the Maryland-National Capital
Building Industry Association, said her members “are not opposed to
better building; we’re opposed to imposing a mandate that the market is
unwilling to pay for.”

Sure, we love to build higher quality, but we don’t like to be told to do so.

And, the builder’s association has backing from the Bush administration.

In response to questions from the building industry, EPA’s Energy
Star residential branch chief, David Lee, said in a letter that the
agency does not advocate putting its standards into law and suggests
that local and state governments “consider alternative, more market
based solutions to encourage construction of Energy Star qualified
homes.”

“Market-based solutions …” ???

Let us think this through.

Why do we have seat-belts in cars? Let’s have a market-based solution.

Food-safety standards? Market-based solution seems to work well here, doesn’t it?

FAA inspections on aircraft? Market-based solution. (Oops, we do seem to have that.)

Fire code for construction? Controls on toxics in paints? Lead in
paint? Insulation requirements? Inspection of electrical wiring,
plumbing, concrete work, etc? Why would anyone have mandates for any of
these things?

Sigh …

In any event, it does look like Montgomery County politicians will
be going forward with this tightening of the building codes. Hopefully
this will be matched by other jurisdictions around the country.

For example, 25 years ago, my county’s ceiling insulation code was
R-13. It is now R-38. Tightening to Energy Star represents simply a
next step toward mandating a base level of building energy efficiency.
And, in a few years, today’s Energy Star will be passe as we move
toward even more efficient code.

Sensible regulation (including building code) is a key element to Energize America toward a Prosperous, Climate-Friendly Society.

PS: Of course, Montgomery County is far from the only local
government taking Energy Smart measures. For example, there is nearby Arlington, VA. Nor is all the news from Montgomery County as Energy Smart. See, for example, Bethesda Bagels vs County Executive’s McSUV.

Comments

(88)

BUT!... BUT!... BUT!

I thought Bush was all about state's rights and individual rights!

Oh, I get it... except with Guns, God, Gays... AND ANYTHING THAT MIGHT CURB OBSCENE OIL COMPANY PROFITS.

Only 263 Days, 10 Hours, and 58 Minutes left folks!

The government makes more

The government makes more per gallon than the oil companies do, and the government doesn't even have to worry about finding the oil. No complaints about their obscene profits?

So do the Saudis.

What's your point?

MY POINT is that there are two Texas oil men in the White House TRYING TO PREVENT LOOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM TRYING TO IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT BY ESCAPING THE CLUTCHES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

... and that's just plain fucked up.

Here's what's fucked up.

Here's what's fucked up. Canada provides us with oil (much more than the Saudis provide), they allow oil companies to drill on their land, they provide a service for which they make a profit. The oil companies explore for oil, they drill for oil, they transport the oil, they provide many services for which they profit. The government can decide to make more profit for itself simply by providing more yays than nays, and they make more off of the oil than the oil companies could ever dream of. Yet who is it that the libs attack? The oil companies. The oil companies make 10 or 12 cents a gallon, the federal government makes damn near 20, and that's not even counting state and local taxes, yet who is it that the libs blame for high gas prices? The oil companies.

Now that is fucked up.

By bannedfrogg May 1, 2008 - 7:53pm

Where are you getting those figures from? Just curious...

By roadgoddess May 1, 2008 - 10:02pm

I'll go out on a limb and guess: "from Rush's talking anal cyst".
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http://www.jb-williams.com/4-

http://www.jb-williams.com/4-25-06.htm

"But the fact is, the gross profit margin for a gallon of gas in America today, is what it has always been, on average, .08 cents per gallon, (2.5% at $3.00 per gallon)."

"However the federal government profits approximately .59 cents per gallon through gasoline taxes, 7 ½ times or 750% that of the oil producers themselves and 20% of the price at the pumps."

Based upon a $3.00 gallon of gasoline, the average break-down is as follows.

Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon
Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon
Refining $.29 cents per gallon
Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon
Taxes $.59 cents per gallon
Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)

Yeah, my numbers were a bit off, the oil companies make less than I stated and the government makes more than I stated. I guess the only solution is to tax the oil companies some more. (which will only raise the cost of a gallon)

Knucklehead.

" I guess the only solution is to tax the oil companies some more"

If that's the only solution you can think of, then you ought to think some more.

That is however TYPICAL... So far, in the 2683 days of THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, the word "conservation" or the phrase "reduce consumption" HAS NEVER PASSED THE PRESIDENT'S LIPS.

Texans are full of shit.

You know, they say "everything is bigger in Texas"... I heard of a recently deceased Texan who was so big, they were going to bury him in a piano case, but couldn't find one... They gave him AN ENEMA and buried him in a shoe box.

By bannedfrogg May 2, 2008 - 5:59am

Fair enough...but where did your columnist get his numbers? And I saw no mention of what Canada is supplying to us.

Here is something that I found to be interesting:

http://www.motorists.org/blog/helpful-information/where-does-your-three-...

EDIT:

It seems he may be correct about our imports from Canada...

http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=gas-price.htm&url=http://...

I guess the columnist did

I guess the columnist did use ass-stats.

By Michtou May 2, 2008 - 10:04am

From the JB Williams website....

http://jb-williams.com/

Welcome to my world…

As an entrepreneur, I understand and appreciate all of the economic opportunities America provides for each of us, and the responsibility that comes with them. As a dirt road scholar with a degree in BS from the school of hard knocks, formal education seems a poor substitute for common sense, something that ain’t so common anymore in America. As a lifelong student of American History, Philosophy and Political Science, I know how our country was founded, who founded it, and what they had in mind. I also realize that we’ve made a mess of it.

He admits to a degree in

He admits to a degree in BS...which he spreads around and people like Froggy lap up as if it were ambrosia from heaven.

Good article, it claims that

Good article, it claims that it's 75 cents on the dollar going to oil companies, but it doesn't say if that's before or after they pay tens of thousands of employees, search for oil, drill for oil, transport the oil, and pay taxes out the ass.

By bannedfrogg May 2, 2008 - 3:57pm

...Yet they've been consistantly reporting RECORD PROFITS, so they can't be suffering too greatly. Never mind that the article doesn't even mention the BILLIONS IN SUBSIDIES that we taxpayers are forking over to them.

And what exactly, is wrong

And what exactly, is wrong with record profits, what is so wrong with them that the very words must be in all caps? Record profits are a GOOD THING, it's good for the company, it's good for the shareholders, record profits are good. Now on the subsidies, I'm with you on that one, I don't think any subsidies should be paid to anyone, and that includes paying people to not work or paying farmers to grow fuel instead of food.

By bannedfrogg May 2, 2008 - 6:49pm

No one is paying farmers to grow fuel instead of food. The fuel aspect of it has just made the food side more scarce.

Back in the early 80's is when I first remember hearing about farmers being paid to NOT grow crops. It will take more research on my part to speak with any real knowledge on it, but I also recall that during that same period was when I first heard of ethanol. Then it mysteriously fell below the radar.

Our current fuel/food dilemma is created as a nod to the corporate farms who have been just waiting for this. There are other (much) cheaper sources of bio-fuels, but it screws with others' profits...others with powerful (read "monied-up") lobbyists.

PROFITS are a good thing. Record profits that contribute to the crisis that we are currently in is just plain old fashioned GREED...in CAPS. Don't they see (or more accuratly...care) the harm that they are doing to the entire economy by not just taking a little profit? Yeah, how "American" is that? Furthermore, how can any American just say that it's perfectly FINE with them, even though this is helping to destroy our Country? Al Qaeda must be SO PROUD!

The oil companies are

The oil companies are currently making 2.5% profit per gallon, the same that they have always made. Record consumption = record profits, plain and simple. The only gouging being done is being done by the government, they make more per gallon now than they ever have, and the government doesn't have to do a damn thing to earn it.

By bannedfrogg May 3, 2008 - 6:40am

Okay, ass-stats.....

Now you're lying! Gas taxes have remained neutral, while the prices have accelerated! Has the government raised the tax on gasoline? No. Have the oil companies raised prices on gasoline? DUH....

(see previous article)

Just because you are too

Just because you are too stupid to understand doesn't mean that I'm lying. Gas taxes have remained neutral? Are you high right now??

I suppose you think it's the oil companies that choose to have to deliver 75 different formulas of fuel depending on what state it is going to or what season it is. Yeah, that's the oil companies' choice, right? Or maybe you're retarded enough to think that having to have that many different formulas and guessing how much of each to make has no effect. I suppose you think all that ethanol bullshit is free, yeah, oil companies don't have to pay a dime to live up to all of those standards. It's not just the gas taxes on the constant rise that has caused the price of gasoline to go up, it's all of the restrictions being placed on the oil companies, that shit isn't free to comply with. It's also simple supply and demand, supply goes down, demand goes up, and you expect the price to stay the same?? That's just fucking retarded.

Exxon makes 2.67% profit per gallon, the same that they have always made, the only reason they make so much is because consumption is so high.

By bannedfrogg May 4, 2008 - 6:42pm

No, I'm not high, thank you for asking. The Federal tax per gallon of gasoline is 18 cents. Has been for years. States have gas tax, too...which varies. Here in Oregon we've had the same rate for many years.

As to the rest of your post, you lost me when you started with the name-calling and insults. Have a nice day.

Aww, I'm sorry, did I hurt

Aww, I'm sorry, did I hurt your feelings? By the way, calling someone a liar is name calling and insulting. You started the name calling, I just sunk to your level.

By bannedfroggMay 5, 2008 - 5:07pm

Does the froggwife still carry your balls around in her purse while you do the laundry & dishes? You emasculated chump...

It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea.
- Robert Anton Wilson

So only women should do the

So only women should do the cooking and cleaning?? Is that your position on marriage? How very liberal of you!

And I find it amusing to be called an emasculated chump by someone that jerks off onto pictures of a fat and bearded Al Gore. You love your bears, don't you!

By bannedfrogg May 5, 2008 - 5:07pm

Nope, ya didn't.

So what should I call you when you suggest that the government is making more money when the price of gas goes through the roof, but it isn't true?

"So what should I call you?"

"So what should I call you?" How about correct? With the record profits of the oil companies, you think the government isn't getting their cut? It's not just the gasoline tax that is collected you know, the oil companies are taxed at every turn.

Record profits lead to record taxes, so I guess it was you that was lying.

By bannedfrogg May 7, 2008 - 5:21pm

not just the gasoline tax that is collected you know, the oil companies are taxed at every turn.

How about something that backs that up? The federal tax on a gallon of gasoline is 18 cents. Show me something credible that says otherwise.

By roadgoddessMay 7, 2008 - 5:47pm

You mean that oil company propaganda won't convince you?
You'd better watch it though; the tax is actually 18.4 cents for regular & 22.4 cents for diesel. You wouldn't want little froggy coming back with that thinking that he's actually right about something. :-)

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By Guy Fawkes May 7, 2008 - 10:26pm

Oooh, you're right! I guess that could be twisted into meaning that "the oil companies are taxed at every turn". Thanks for setting me straight! ;D

I agree with you Dems on this one..

The gas tax is a use tax and it is a FairTax. Use taxes are the best form of taxation as they tax you based on how much you USE an item rather than how much you earn. Maybe the dems and Obama are coming around!

"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007

By roadgoddessMay 3, 2008 - 12:04am

hey RG
a friend of mine lost his job at Mississippi State doing research on bio-fuels ,mostly switch grass I believe, cause gwb cut fundings.

Your source gives NO source

Your source gives NO source for his breakdown.
In other words, it could all be ass-stats. Besides that, who makes money off the crude oil? The oil companies. They make money from the crude and from the refined oil. The cost of crude goes up, they make more money.

No way, they earn a profit

No way, they earn a profit for providing a service? The fucking horror!! Since when did being successful become a crime in this country? Anyway, you guys should love the skyrocketing oil prices, that's the fastest way to usher in a replacement for oil. When alternatives become cheaper than the mainstream, that's when the alternative becomes the mainstream.

Again ... what is societal cost of gasoline?

You have the government tax as if it is revenue irrelated to costs that directly relate to the gasoline. How do you recommend paying for road construction and repair? Highways? And, well, what about police cars on the road, emergency services, pollution impact, etc ...

Striving to be Energy Smart to Energize America.

Whatever.

That's all very interesting, but MY POINT IS STILL THIS:

In the "home of the free" WHY IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (read that "two Texas oil men") stone-walling attempts BY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS to move away from A FILTHY OLD TECHNOLOGY THAT IS POISONING OUR PLANET AND BANKRUPTING OUR NATION?

Excuse me if I don't weep for Exxon-Mobile.

If that were true

then why are the oil companies showing up to $44B in profit every year, while the govenrment is bankrupt?

Oh yeah, I forgot. We're helping the Iraqis with self-determination. As long as their self coincides with our self.

Because the oil companies

Because the oil companies can't print their own money, the oil companies have to answer to their shareholders, the oil companies don't spend money like drunken sailors on shore leave, and the have to maintain a profit to stay in business, the government doesn't.

When typewriter companys heard the wordprocessor was their doom

When typewriter companys heard the wordprocessor was their doom, they didn't
jack up their prices 300%, to stiff the consumer,
and ensure their easy retirement or retooling to
a new enterprise.
No, they realized the long history of honest profit and production they had incurred, and changed out gracefully, and with honor.
Back when corporations had honor.

Underwood and Olivetti, I salute you.

Guess who some of the

Guess who some of the biggest investors are in alternative sources of energy? That's right, OIL COMPANIES. And oil isn't going to be replaced anything like the typewriter was, not nearly as quickly and not nearly as completely, so your comparison is retarded. Why is it that libs always feel they can win a debate by comparing apples to watermelons?

They get a lock on

They get a lock on alternative energy and then kill it, like they did the electric car. I know someone who in the late 60's created an 80mpg engine. It was bought up by an oil company and never made the market. Yes, they invest in alternative energy---TO KILL IT.

You got it

If the oil interests had prepared and nurtured the
alternative research in the eighties, instead of taking the greedy antagonistic approach--sure it would have cost money--research costs.
But we could have been way down the road on an alternative replacemnet by now. This period of fuel shortages and chaos could have been avoided.
Blame it on the greedy, short-sighted oil interests.
The last thing you wanted to do was put those blind uglies into political office.
We are literally years behind the ball, because of their lack of vision.

and I caught a fish this

and I caught a fish this big!

bandicoot, the republicans reeled you in...

...and just left you flip-flopping on the bank.
(moves palms on ears, like gills, gasping for air)

By Michtou May 3, 2008 - 11:26am

Because republican voters have the attention span of a 2 year old...he thinks that no one will remember these things.

My comparison was right on, barfog

Read "You got it" below.

How about accounting for costs?

The "government" and "society" have huge costs associated with gasoline. The gasoline tax does not even cover road construction and repair, let alone the environmental damage caused by gasoline use, the health care costs (which hurt productivity), security for oil, etc ... The oil companies get have large costs, bring in even more revenues, and the difference between revenues and costs is their profit. Americans have a huge cost burden for the use of gasoline, the government collects a tax on the sold gasoline, and the difference between cost burden and tax revenues is the (HUGE) subsidy that we all provide for the use of gasoline. Best estimate that I've seen puts the societal cost for gasoline at about $15 per gallon, which means that there is well over a $10 subsidy (cost) for every gallon sold. Government isn't making a profit on gasoline, it (and we, as taxpaying citizens) are seriously in the red.

Striving to be Energy Smart to Energize America.

As always, the repub way of doing things depends on

private industry doing things because they feel like it, which almost never works. Thank god they will be out of power in just a few months.

Some examples

of industry doing things out of the good of its heart, for the good of society

1. Love Canal NY
2. Times Beach MO
3. Enron and staggering prices for electricity in California, circa 2002 ("let the market decide"...then Enron traders are captured on a voice mail joking about making widows choose between food and energy)
4. Exxon-Mobil's profits for the past eight quarters
5. Exxon Valdez oilspill, Prince William sound AK
6. I-35 bridge collapse, Minneapolis MN (work done by a private contractor)
7. The Iraq War (boondoggle for Halliburton and subsidiaries)
8. Burning Cuyahoga River, Cleveland OH
9. Fecal material in spinach delivered to midwest markets
10. Electric cars scrapped circa 1996
11. National City Lines, the 1940s-50s conspiracy that replaced energy efficient trolley lines in all but a few major US cities (San Francisco and Philadelphia were among the survivors) with buses built by GM, with Firestone tires, fueled by Esso gasoline
12. $4.00 per gallon gasoline as the Big Four rake in record profits and the US government continues to give billions away in tax breaks
13. PG&E injects waste chromium into groundwater (Erin Brockovich)
14. Centralia Coal Mine fire, Centralia PA
15. Mine subsidence and acid mine drainage render property values nil in WV, PA, KY, VA

shall I go on?

In the absence of government regulations or enforcement of regulations, Captialists can be counted on to screw the common person in favor of making a buck. This is why government regulation is ESSENTIAL to assuring that our country will not become an abandoned hazardous waste dump. The key is designing regulations that make sense, are enforceable, and whose need is based on science.

THIS JUST IN:

THE "D.C. MADAM" WAS FOUND DEAD IN AN "APPARENT SUICIDE".

Hmmm... How Conveeeeeeeenient.

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3657/danapics/church_l.jpg

By mrhiIIaryone May 1, 2008 - 1:20pm

I'm a little bit skeptical. Wasn't she all set to name names?

By roadgoddessMay 1, 2008 - 10:04pm

Actually no, she was set to go to be sentenced and go to jail. But good point. Maybe Billy's name was on that list and Hillary just had the Madam meet the same "suicide" that Vince Foster met while sitting on a park bench....

Back to the subject of the post..

Look you "man made" global warming ALGore worshippers. Instead of all this carbon-gas crap. Why not frame the building code and your efforts as a National Defense effort. Saving energy isn't about "man made" global warming, it's about giving the "finger" to those in the middle-east. Instead of a bumper sticker on your Prius that says "I'm Green", get one that says "The Saudi's hate this car". C'mon, use some marketing....Jeeze..

"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
President John McCain, brought to you in part by the Democratic Party...

By Fight4it May 1, 2008 - 10:54pm

Wow. Energy independence as a national security issue? Good thinking.

Unfortunately for us, you thought of it before the Democratic nominee for President...

Energy Security is National Security
Tuesday, February 28, 2006
Remarks of Senator Barack Obama
Governor's Ethanol Coalition
Washington, DC

In this year's State of the Union address, President Bush told us that it was time to get serious about America's addiction to foreign oil. The next day, we found out that his idea didn't sit too well with the Saudi Royal Family. A few hours later, Energy Secretary Bodman backtracked and assured the world that even though the President said he planned to reduce the amount of oil we import from the Middle East, he actually didn't mean that literally.

If there's a single example out there that encapsulates the ability of unstable, undemocratic governments to wield undue influence over America's national security just because of our dependence on oil, this is it.

Now, I could stand up here and give you all plenty of reasons why it's a good idea for this country to move away from an oil-based economy. I could cite studies from scientists and experts and even our own State Department detailing the dangers of global warming - how it can destroy our coastal areas and generate more deadly storms. I could talk forever about the economic consequences of dependence - how it's decimating our auto industry and costing us jobs and emptying our wallets at the pump. And I could talk about the millions of new jobs and entire new industries we could create by transitioning to an alternative-fuel economy.

But all we really need to know about the danger of our oil addiction comes directly from the mouths of our enemies:

"[Oil] is the umbilical cord and lifeline of the crusader community." These are the words of Al Qaeda.
[...]
More than anything else, these comments represent a realization of American weakness shared by the rest of the world. It's a realization that for all of our military might and economic dominance, the Achilles heel of the most powerful country on Earth is the oil we cannot live without.
[...]
Our enemies are fully aware that they can use oil as a weapon against America. And if we don't take this threat as seriously as the bombs they build or the guns they buy, we will be fighting the War on Terror with one hand tied behind our back.

Now, the good news about the President's decision to finally focus on energy independence after five years is that it helps build bipartisan consensus that our reliance on foreign oil is a problem and shows that he understands the potential of renewable fuels to make a difference.

The bad news is that the President's energy policy treats our dependence on oil as more of a nuisance than a serious threat.
[...]
During World War II, we had an entire country working around the clock to produce enough planes and tanks to beat the Axis powers. In the middle of the Cold War, we built a national highway system so we had a quick way to transport military equipment across the country. When we wanted to beat the Russians into space, we poured millions into a national education initiative that graduated thousands of new scientists and engineers.

If we hope to strengthen our security and control our own foreign policy, we can offer no less of a commitment to energy independence.
[...]
Again, this is just not a serious commitment to energy independence. The solutions are too timid - the reforms too small. America's dependence on oil is a major threat to our national security, and the American people deserve a bold commitment that has the full force of their government behind it.
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060228-energy_security/

Do try to keep up...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 1, 2008 - 11:21pm

Then WHY in the hell do you libs keep framing it as a "Green" or ALGore issue? Get away from that crap as all it does it turn people off. I mean look how AA headed the article, "All Things Green". And the article itself didn' t focus on the OBVIOUS national security argument but instead went for "deCarbonized" bull..

“We are attacking literally every source of greenhouse gas that
exists and ensuring that our county and our citizens use less energy,”

When you use language like that, it's code for "We evil Americans have to cut back because we use more than the banana republics" and it's the LAST thing people want to hear.

Just like this CRAP Bush is pulling to provide more aid for food in Africa when Americans are paying much more for food this year than they were last year...

"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
President John McCain, brought to you in part by the Democratic Party...

What the hell is wrong with you?

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

Couple things:

1) Global Warming, Environmental Destruction, and Foreign Oil Dpendance are NOT "Al Gore Issues... THEY ARE NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES, NUMBNUTZ.

2) NEWS FLASH: Maintaining stability in Africa IS ALSO a National Security issue. Do you think Bush is helping Africans with AIDS and Hunger BECAUSE OF HIS DEEP ABIDING LOVE OF POOR BLACK PEOPLE??... DON'T BE STUPID!

By mrhiIIaryoneMay 2, 2008 - 9:07am

Look bud, MARKETING. Get the ALGore "climate change", "man made" thing out of it. You people keep making it a "green" thing. It may be a "green" thing but if you really want the average Joe to embrace it, KEEP anything ALGore out of it. The same thing applies to a good system of Primary care for all US Citizens. Frame it ONLY as an issue of fiscal responsiblity and keep the "but people DESERVE it" crap out of it. Same destnation, different route..

Just sayin'...

And no, I see no reason for us to keep aid flowing to Africa in general (except the countires that have stable forms of governance that aren't dictator based). If the UN wants to....fine. But I don't like the UN either, it has been used as a weapon against our interests.....

"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
President John McCain, brought to you in part by the Democratic Party...

By Fight4it May 2, 2008 - 9:35am

Okay. Okay. We get it: You hate Al Gore.
Chalk it up as but one more thing you find yourself in the minority on.

It may come as a surprise to you, but most Americans do not reject the discussion of Climate Change when it's based on talks about "being green". It's rejected by only the small minority of you wingnuts who cannot disassociate Climate Change discussions from the legitimately elected POTUS in 2000...
____________________
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By Fight4it May 2, 2008 - 8:41am

Don't look now, but the heading "All Things Green" relates to a section of the blog which contains posts related to the environment...
____________________
"It's all been satirized for your protection." --Maher

I'll bet Senator Vitter feels vindicated

God smote her...

BREAKING NEWS!


OOPS!!

Former DNC Chairman and Super-Delegate Clinton supporter SWITCHES TO OBAMA!

"Barack Obama will score a double coup this morning when he receives the endorsement of Joe Andrew, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee appointed by Bill Clinton — and, yep, an Indiana native."

http://tinyurl.com/3men8a

Careful

you'll get FACTME on a rant...

AAR, circling the drain

Wow, AAR just loves their America loving patriots, don't they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvPAMn_nVps&feature=related

It was just touching when she spit on the ground and grabbed her crotch at the end.

Everything is stupider in Texas.

Here's how stupid you are:

This rather simple joke went right over your head.

To the average belligerent, slow-brained, knee-jerk hyper-nationalist Texan, it was an affront to our flag.

To anyone with half a brain it was a gag about the nasty personal habits of baseball players... I don't know what those swishy Texas Rangers in their gay little uniforms are known for, BUT IN THE HOUSE THAT RUTH BUILT, where real men play our national pastime in pin-stripes, THEY ARE KNOWN FOR INCESSANTLY SPITTING AND ADJUSTING THERE CUPS.

Get it?...

BTW, that Rosanne Barr clip IS ANCIENT. What relevence does it have?

Whatsamatter? Run out of things to be angry about?... Maybe I should roll out some dusty footage of Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon lying to the American public ABOUT THEIR WAR CRIMES.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k1SqM6WFEsQ

She might as well of wiped

She might as well of wiped her fat ass with the flag, I suppose you would have thought that was a real funny joke too.

By the way, did Nixon ever lock a million Japanese up in internment camps? Anyway, I figured you guys would love Nixon, he surrendered in a war we were winning, you guys love that shit.

Yeah, what mrhillaryone

Yeah, what mrhillaryone says!!!

bush now surpassing lowest approval at 71%

"...No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating ... this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark..."

"...He is more unpopular than Richard Nixon was just before he resigned from the presidency in August 1974..."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html?iref=mpstory...

From here on out, until bush leaves office, his
very presence will depreciate the image of the office of the presidency.

The congress has been depreciated already, simply by supporting V.P. cheney WAY past his own cut-off point.

Now bush has passed HIS cut-off point. He must resign at once. We are there.

Give it a fucking rest with

Give it a fucking rest with the "he must resign" and "impeach Bush" bullshit, just like the democrats in congress growing a pair and doing as they promised to end the war, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

Watch and learn, barfog

Don't be a fool.
Its a different game after a president hits bedrock. 70% was
the cutoff for nIxon, and bush has sunk below that.
Maybe republicans have less honor than in nixon's day, but I doubt it.
(what makes it more poignant is 1974 WAS NOT an election year).
Somebody in the RNC is talking closely to bush right now...

This will start eating on mccain's numbers before the day is out.
bush/cheney will have to go.

It's over. Just like that
Going...going...

Nixon resigned to avoid

Nixon resigned to avoid being impeached, it had NOTHING to do with low approval ratings. Bush knows that there is no threat of being impeached because he knows that the democrats are all spin