A Great Night
by BooMan
"I want to congratulate Congressman-elect Travis Childers on winning this special election. By electing Travis in this traditionally overwhelmingly Republican district, the people of Mississippi voted to end the politics of division and distraction, and bring about real change. This is the third special election in recent months that Democrats have won in traditionally Republican areas -- an unmistakable sign that Americans want to make a clean break from the failed Bush policies of the past - and are not looking for four more years of those failed policies from John McCain. I look forward to working with Travis in the months ahead to fix our economy, and make a difference in the lives of America's hardworking families."
That news is good enough, but we also got great news out of Nebraska, where netroots champion Scott Kleeb crushed all opposition in winning the primary to contest for Chuck Hagel's vacated Senate seat. Sen. Ben Nelson wanted his big business buddy Tony Raimondo to be the candidate, despite the fact that he was a Republican until the day he announced he was a candidate and that the Democrats in the Senate blocked his appointment by Bush to be the manufacturing czar because he closed plants in Nebraska and moved jobs to China.
Both of these outcomes are major victories for the Democrats and major defeats for the business-as-usual Republicans and their appeasers.
I am totally pumped by the election results tonight and could not give less of a shit about the results out of West Virginia.
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- May 13, 2008
By Booman Tribune
Since you could not give less of a shit about the results out of West Virginia.
You would be pleased to know at 96% in Hillary Clinton is winning by 2.6 to 1.
Do you think she should drop out?
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By FACTMEMay 14, 2008 - 1:07amBy FACTME May 14, 2008 - 1:07am
It doesn't matter to me. It was over a long time ago. If she wants to go another $20 million in debt that's her bsiness.
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By f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 1:31amBy f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 1:31am
Perhaps FACTME didn't get the memo that Hillary's STILL behind in delegates and popular vote. Who wants to be the one to crush his wet dream??
"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 10:13amHillary is now winning
the popular vote by 26000 votes. Obamas vulnerabilities were again exposed last night. He got trounced in yet another swing state.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 10:25amAnd still WAY behind in delegates. Anything else?
"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
Tracy Morgan, SNL
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 10:55am160 delegates is WAY behind?
Drinking this early?
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 10:57amWhat part of W-A-Y has escaped your lonely braincell?
She needs to win a minimum of 75% of the remaining primaries ... it ain't gonna happen.
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 11:01amre: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 10:57am
How difficult is it for your delusional mind to comprehend that Ms Republican Lite would have to take over 90% of the remaining primary votes to beat Hillary? Yes, 168 delegates back is way behind when there are only 189 delegates left.
Obviously, math is not your strong point.
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 11:02amMath Shmath!
Hillary supporters are hoping the super delegates will realize that Obama cannot beat McCain and they will nominate her because she can beat McCain. We true Democrats want to keep you libtards from driving the car off the cliff AGAIN!
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:06amre: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:06am
Pull your head out of your sorry fat ass, Huff. Since when is it up to party insiders to go against the will of the people? Hillary would have to get 179 of the remaining 189 delegates to end up even with Obama. That would require receiving about 95% of the remaining votes. Good fucking luck!
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 11:11amThe will of the people
is with Hillary, dumbass. She now leads Obama by 26000 votes.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:22amre: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:22am
Only if disingenuous fucks like you try to include Florida and Michigan. Do you always have to cheat to win?
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 11:24amCounting votes is not cheating
Not counting votes is cheating. I understand that you Obamacons dont want to count votes. Just like the neocons, if you guys count the votes, your will of the people crap means nothing. But in America, if you cast a vote it will be counted. Unless you are a neocon or Obamacon.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:29amre: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:29am
No, counting votes that the candidates and states knew wouldn't be counted before hand because that's the only way that you could even approach claiming a lead is cheating.
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 11:31amIn America
when a person casts a vote in an election, it counts. The delegates might not count, but the voters count. You would make a fine neocon.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:35amre: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:35am
No, it's changing the rules in the middle of the game that puts you in the same class as the Republicans.
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 11:38amOne of the reasons we do not like Clinton...
anymore is because she has shown in this primary that she will do and say anything to get ahead. She agreed that she would not campaign in those states, and would not be on ballot. The other candidates were true to their word and honored their commitments. That means a lot to me after many years of republican cheating, lying and corruption.
We REALLY need a mature, calm, honest, deliberate and articulate person for a change. I was for other candidates and had not known much about Barrack but after seeing his behavior and demeanor through out the months of attacks and cheating I have been really impressed. He is the type of person who can negotiate and earn respect from friends and foes alike internationally. With Hillery, we have been shown it is old style power grab politics and there is a large part of the population that is just sick and tired of that. If your very life depended on the honesty of the words uttered by any of the candidates, which would you bet your life on as being honest mean what they say?
Well, our country's life depends on the honesty and sincerity of our next president. Is there any doubt who has proven up to that simple request....don't lie to us?.
McBush3 and Hillery have proven they are of the old school politics and they are not capable of creating unity or solutions to our gigantic problems, problems that were created by old style corrupt politics.
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By StanjMay 14, 2008 - 1:08pmBy hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:29am
What part of "FL & MI don't count and SHRILLARY AGREED that FL & MI won't count" escapes you, sputter?
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 11:52amBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:29am
"But in America, if you cast a vote it will be counted. Unless you are a neocon or Obamacon."
...Or...
“You know, it’s clear, this election they’re having [in Michigan] is not going to count for anything.” -Senator Hillary Clinton, 11 October 2007
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By ExpatinEUMay 14, 2008 - 1:50pmBy Gazmik May 14, 2008 - 11:24am
Actually, it's only if they include FL and MI AND exclude counting votes of individuals in numerous caucus states...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 14, 2008 - 11:31amThose are estimated votes
I am talking REAL votes. I know reality is difficult for you. It will be really difficult for you on Nov 5 if the party chooses Obama.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:39amre: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:39am
Do you in your delusional tiny mind truly believe that all those that voted for Hillary in the primaries will vote for McCain instead of Obama?
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 11:42amMany will due to racism
The Repubs will overwhelm Obama. It will be an electoral college disaster for him. Many Clinton supporters like Obama. I know I do. Many of us do not like his supporters who have continuously bashed, trashed and slandered Hillary thru out this campaign. Obama will lose many Hillary supporters due to you evil, hate filled, lying Obamacons.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:54amBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:54am
Okay. Okay. We get it. Much like you thought numerous other things that never came to pass, you think Obama will lose in November. We heard you.
Now: STFU, unite behind the nominee, and work to make sure that doesn't happen.
Unless, of course, you want it to happen...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 14, 2008 - 11:57amDont worry
I will be 100% behind Obama if he is the nominee. He would be a great president. I knew Carter, Mondale and Dukakis would lose and I was 100% behind them too. Obama may have a chance in OH and PA if he picks a VP from one of those states. Gov Strickland and senator Brown from Ohio maybe. I dont know if they are up to it.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 12:29pmBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 12:29pm
Worry? I'm not worried. I've made it abundantly clear in prior posts: we don't need you to win.
I'm simply suggesting that, if you really do care about/want to win, maybe you should STFU and spend less time wringing your hands about November and more time working toward victory in November. You think OH would go McCain? Work to make it not so.
Should you opt not to, it's of little worry or concern. We'll do it without you. Period.
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By SJerseyIndyMay 14, 2008 - 12:37pmDeluded fool
You NEED people like me because I represent half the party, you arrogant fuck.The only thing you will do without Hillary supporters is lose worse than you already will. You people may be responsible for losing congress too. I am still holding out hope that the party will not let this disaster happen.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 12:49pmBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 12:49pm
Do not confuse the individual "you" referring to you, Huff The Magic Moron, with the general "you" that refers to all of Hillary's supporters.
And, as for you, Huff The Magic Moron...
You do not represent half of the Party.
You represent a segment of Hillary's support that desires to appease and placate racists...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 14, 2008 - 12:58pmHey, Sputter!
I'm guessing you've been spending all your free time polling each and every individual encompassing Hillary's 16,000,000 supporters to determine if they'll vote for Obama or McSame ... how are you making out with that?
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 1:17pmYou are a lying sack of shit, sputter ...
"Many of us do not like his supporters who have continuously bashed, trashed and slandered Hillary thru out this campaign"
Was this before or after she started employing "Rovian" tactics:
Said that only she or McSame are qualified to be president;
Said that she didn't "think" Obama was Muslim;
When her campaign sent out a mailer claiming Obama was "pro-life";
Agreed that MI & FL won't count but saw she was losing, now they count;
Pulled the 9/11 "fear" card ...
Need more? Ask and ye shall receive ...
"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 12:27pmShove it up your butt!
You are one nasty evil person. Hillary never did anything to deserve the venom and seething hatred she gets from you people. We dont care. We have half the primary vote just like you Obamacons.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 12:32pmShove it up your butt!
Can you manage to spare one tube of Astro-glide from what you've got stock-piled?
Truth can be a BITCH, huh, Sputter? LOL
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 12:38pmWe certainly dont want
a strong, shrewd, tough politician like Hillary who will fight and scrap with the Republicans, who will play just as nasty and beat them at their own game. We want a candidate who will be above all that and lose, right?
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 12:44pmSure! To hell with trying to heal the rampant divisiveness
currently running through the country! Let's keep swinging our dicks at each other to prove who's the biggest and baddest; who can dig themselves further in the mud! Let's be just as scummy, slimey and putrid as the Republicans! Fuck showing the citizens of this country who REALLY cares about them instead of showing them which party is the party of the PEOPLE and that the Democrats are above the petty and infantile bullshit spewing forth from the GOP! Nah, the people aren't sick and tired of the bullshit spewing from the GOP! This country is positively THRIVING in it's current state!
Does one need to get up earlier than you to be just as brain-dead as you?
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 1:14pmDems have tried that you idiot
How well has it worked? Are you even over 21 years old? Why do you want to continue the same tired and failed tactics of the past election disasters? Are you trying to elect McCain?
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 2:16pmBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 2:16pm
The Clintons tried to use their power to get a nomination. In the process they lost their influence. They wanted the democratic party to be the Clinton party. Instead they made the democratic party move on and leave the Clintons in the dust.
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By f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 2:47pmSputter, Sputter, Sputter - You can put your dick back.
Please go play "Commando" elsewhere. Most people are sick of the divisive politics, unless you haven't noticed, which, with your head shoved so far up Shrillary's vagina, you wouldn't know. You, however, are free to continue playing that game with the other six year-old doodie heads. And you wonder why we laugh AT you.
"Bitch may be the new black but black is the new President, bitch."
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 2:55pmCall for change
Wait until everyone realizes that "change we can believe in" is code for "compromise with republicans" -- something that the far liberal segment of the party hated about Bill Clinton.
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By jln382May 14, 2008 - 1:42pmBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:39am
So now you're exlcuding the votes of real individuals because there are only estimates?
Only neocons don't count votes of real people.
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By SJerseyIndyMay 14, 2008 - 11:46amHow is an Estimate
a real person? You are losing it.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:48amHillary supporters are hoping
it IS nice to dream, Sputter, but eventually REALITY rears its ugly head ... do you have a proper helmet so your head stays relatively intact when it explodes?
"Math Smath!" And let me guess "deficits don't matter" to you either ... retard.
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 11:12amBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:06am
Please
Stop with your nonsense. You voted for Hillary because your smitten with the idea of the Clintons returning. And now you are bitter because your vote didn't go to the winner.
Stop advocating cheating to make your vote the winning vote.
Hillary never had a chance against McCain. The Clintons have more negatives than anyone. It was stupid for her to run.
But you have it al mixed up in your head. You believe she is liberal and you think she is the one with a chance to win.
Well So far Obama has beat her with states, delegates and popular vote.
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By f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 11:14amHillary is now winning
the pop vote by 26000 votes. This nonsense about the will of the people is a load of crap. Obama has half the voters and Hillary has half. Unlike you libtards, we Dems want to win this time. Obama will NOT win against McCain. I am sick of running these weak losing candidates. Why do you libtards ALWAYS want to run the candidate who will lose?
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:20amBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:20am
Obama is winning states, delegates and popular votes.
And Obama keeps adding super delegates. Some of hers actually. So your plan to cheat isn't going to work.
Stop being so bitter.
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By f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 11:44amWhy are you lying?
Hillary is now winning the pop vote by 26000 votes. The primary vote is basically tied.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:46amBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:46am
I'm not lying. You are bitter and Obama is winning in all counts.
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By f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 11:48amYippee! She's got the popular vote!
BUT SHE CAN'T BEAT HIM IN DELEGATES - I'll go slooooooooowwwwwwwww ... she ... needs ... to ... win ... a ... M-I-N-I-M-U-M ... of ... 75% ... in ... each ... of ... the ... remaining ... contests ... SHE CANNOT DO IT.
Jesus H. CHRIST! You are one THICK-HEADED motherfucker
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 11:50amBy Pookie2112 May 14, 2008 - 11:50am
She's got the popular vote!
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And even that's not true. She only leads in the popular vote in the Land of Clintonia, where estimates of popular votes of individuals in numerous caucus states don't count...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 14, 2008 - 11:54amre: By Pookie2112 May 14, 2008 - 11:50am
"I'll go slooooooooowwwwwwwww ... she ... needs ... to ... win ... a ... M-I-N-I-M-U-M ... of ... 75% ... in ... each ... of ... the ... remaining ... contests ..."
Now it's up to 95%. She would need more than 179 of the remaining 189 delegates.
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 12:00pmBy GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 12:00pm
Woof! She'd have a bitch of a time just reaching 75% ... 95% puts her waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out in left field.
Stick a fork in her, she's DONE.
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 12:34pmanusleaky2000 hopes
that superdelegates that have the sound judgment to visit hookers and commit adultery while they are sitting governors overturn the will of the majority of voters. anusleaky2000 says true democrats hate democracy. anusleaky2000 is a detriment to democracy and the democratic party.
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By SJerseyIndyMay 14, 2008 - 11:23amummmm...
The "will of the voters" is now with Hillary as she leads the pop vote by 26000. Stop the will of the people crap. The primaries are basically tied. Last night showed again how vulnerable Obama is and we real Dems are not going to let you deluded libtards drag the party down to defeat again.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:25amre: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:25am
"Last night showed again how vulnerable Obama is..."
No, what last night showed was that Hillary doesn't have an ice cube's chance in hell. She couldn't even achieve the advantage she would need to overcome Obama's lead in her strongest state left.
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 11:29amBy hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 11:25am
If "Real Dems" are the ones who want superdelegates to play the 2008 role of 2000 SCOTUS, I'm proud to be a fake dem and stand with the people over the power. "Real Dems" as you describe them are nothing more than capitulating, subservient slaves to their DLCorporatist masters, bending over for them at every turn while begging out loud "thank you sirs, may I have another?!".
Willing rape victims, basically...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 14, 2008 - 11:40amIt seems like the Dems in all the big states
and WV disagree with you. It seems like half the Dem voters disagree with you. You libtards will NOT be allowed to defeat the Dem party again. I am sick of it. Dems have a sure victory this time and yet you libtards want to nominate the only candidate who will lose for sure. It makes no sense.
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By hufflarry2000May 14, 2008 - 11:44amBy GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 11:02am
'Obviously, math is not your strong point."
Sputter doesn't have many strong points, math and common sense are just two non-strong points ...
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 11:10amre: By hufflarry2000 May 14, 2008 - 10:25am
It's time for you to face reality. There are five primaries left for a total of 189 delegates. Obama is ahead by 168 delegates. Hillary would have to take about 90% of the remaining delegates to get even with Obama. She couldn't even get 90% in West Virginia where her chances were the best. It's done. Stick a fork in her campaign. Her only hope would be for super delegates to take the victory away from Obama.
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 10:57amWhat
What math are YOU using?!?!?
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By fourteenacesMay 14, 2008 - 12:59pmBy FACTMEMay 14, 2008 - 1:07am
ZZZZzzzzzzz...
Irrelevancy defined...
Support the Troops
End the Occupation
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By Guy FawkesMay 14, 2008 - 1:32amBy FACTMEMay 14, 2008 - 1:07am
So where does her surprising "victory" put the delegate count at?
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By frazzledMay 14, 2008 - 1:33amre: By frazzled May 14, 2008 - 1:33am
What was it that I heard before West Virginia? That to even have a chance, Hillary would have to take at least 75% of the votes in the remaining primaries? Well, she couldn't even do that in West Virginia where it was no question that she would win.
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By GazmikMay 14, 2008 - 7:32amYes, she SHOULD drop out
...since she has no shot whatsoever at getting nominated. She's too far behind in the delegate count, she's bleeding superdelegates almost hourly, and there isn't enough support for her in the remaining states to change the outcome.
Or do you know something we don't? Like maybe the "fix" is in?
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By nonexistent manMay 14, 2008 - 3:32amDROP OUT?
YES!
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By pbillpMay 14, 2008 - 5:41amBillary Drop Out
Hillary Billary should drop out. I don't want another Clinton in the White House especially Bill.
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By Deke JamesMay 14, 2008 - 7:16amI vote yes, Hillary should drop out.
Her staying in the race will just siphon off money from Obama's campaign when she finally realizes she has lost and he has to bail her out.
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By PasztMay 14, 2008 - 8:58amYes...
... she should drop out.
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By othelloMay 14, 2008 - 10:10amGenerally if I want to know where the US should be headed
I don't seek answers in WV.
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By f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 1:30amBy f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 1:30am
Go ahead... Just throw away the votes of working class whites. I guessing the dems can win with JUST the votes from blacks and rich elite (leer jet lib) dems....Yeah, that'll work....
Obama can and probably should win in November, but he can't blow off the "average Joe" and pull out the win.....
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By Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 7:03amWell, that was condescending, Fight,
I suppose all of us white working class folk are a bunch of racist idiots. What are you, some kind of " elite" Holloywood liberal?
The next time I vote for a suckass Republican will be the first time. And there isn't going to be a first time.
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By thaelmann37May 14, 2008 - 9:46amthaelmann37May 14, 2008 - 9:46am
Not condescending, simple the truth. Obama cannot "blow off" the working class white vote, you know the ones that "cling to guns and religion". Yes, that was a mistatment and I'm sure he didn't mean that the way it came out. When you are on camera 18 hrs daily for a year you're gonna make a mistatment or two...It happens. Nevertheless, he made the statment and it's political fodder for any 527 that wants it... Just like McCain's 100 years in Iraq has been taken out of context...But, he said it, it's fodder...
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By Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 10:43amBy thaelmann37May 14, 2008 - 9:46am
It was condescending and offensive - he is a white male, after all. See, Fight's of the mindset that if you beat the dead horse beyond a bloody pulp, you continue beating it. I thought it interesting that a pretty large percentage of West Virginian's still believe that Obama shares the same, radical beliefs re: injustices to the black community as the Reverend Wright (don't they have tv's in WV??), which is exactly the mindset that Fight shares (which he claims he doesn't, but we can read between the lines) - condemn the messanger and fuck the message. Anything beyond a 30 second soundbyte is beyond their scope.
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 11:00amBy Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 10:57am
Sooooooo, anything that mentions race that is mentioned by a white guy is inherently racist. I'll just keep that little rule in mind.
Just asking, is it "racist" to quote the stats posted by CNN regarding the 2004 Presidential Election? I'm just wondering here....That IS were I got the 77% of VOTING America in 2004 happened to be white. Ut oh, I said white. Maybe I should say pigmentally deficient.... And for people of color I guess I should say "pigmentally unchallenged"....
www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
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By Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 11:03amBy Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 11:03am
Scrolled ...
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By Pookie2112May 14, 2008 - 11:13amBy Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 11:03am
Do you have a poll that shows what number of whites won't vote for Obama because he's black? How about a poll of whites that shows what number won't vote for McSame because of Bush? Do you even have a point to make with your polls?
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By frazzledMay 14, 2008 - 11:20amBy frazzledMay 14, 2008 - 11:20am
Is there a segment of our society that won't vote for Obama based on his skin color. Yes, and they are morons....
That being said, in 2004 77% of the electorate was white and I'd say the bulk of them are "working class". Obama will get 90% or greater of the black vote because Dems almost always get the demographic. That demographic only makes up 11% of the electorate. Of that 77% of whites there is probably about (and this is a WAG) 2-3% that are racists and will never vote for Obama, hell, they’d likely not vote for Powell or Rice. Nothing to be done about them, they will die off in the next 15-20 years. That leaves ~74%.
Obama can't blow off that group, sure, there are members of the 74% who will vote dem no matter what Obama were to say would vote dem. Many are on this board.
Obama can't win the white house with only the black demographic and elite whites. That's not a racist statement, that's a statement of fact...
PS: Non-white, non-black voters make up an additional 10% of the electorate....
I'm totally cool with an Obama Presidency (I think he'll be very competent) but if he were to make the mistake of taking the Clintons (and I do mean both of them) as VP, he'd better watch his back, (figuratively and literally)....
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By Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 12:41pmBy Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 12:41pm
You're trying to create a narrative that does not exist. Obama isn't blowing off the working class be they black or white. That's why I asked if you had some point to your poll. Are you trying to suggest that no working class voters contributed to his victories in any other states?
And this notion of "elite whites" is simply the latest of silly RNC talking points. Obama and his supporters are no more elite than McSame and his. This elitism angle will fail just as miserably as the black preacher and liberal boogeymen.
At some point you wingnuts are going to have to talk about what McSame has to offer the electorate and 4 more years isn't going to do. If you haven't learned that your negative memes aren't going to work, as strategists like Gingrich have, your party is screwed.
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By frazzledMay 14, 2008 - 1:12pmBy frazzledMay 14, 2008 - 12:58pm
I agree, one cannot be elected by saying what is wrong with the other person. A candidate needs to be positive and look to the future. Obama excels in that area. JFK excelled in that area. Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton BOTH excelled in that area..ALGore, GHB, GWB, John Kerry, not so much.
Do the Repubs need to go to the wood shed a term or two....OH HELL YES. We sent them to DC in 94 and they had it all after GWB won in 2000 and what did they do...Cut taxes (good thing) and increased spending (bad thing).
I hope the dems do better as you will have the House, Senate and (probably) the White House. If the dems let the power corrupt them as badly as the repubs did, they'll be gone if a few years and it'll start all over again...
As far as a diff between Obama and McCain....There isn't much.
-They both seem to support amnesty
-They both support "free trade"
-They are both green (not really a bad thing)
-They both support Isreal
-They are ONLY different on matters concerning Iraq and Iran, I believe Obama will be "OK" in prosecuting the war declared on us by Islamic Terrorists but I think McCain would be better...
-Neither can do anything about the price of gas
-Neither can "save" the housing market, the market will "save" itself...
-They are both Anti-abortion (nobody is truly pro-abortion) but Obama is pro-choice. Roe Vs. Wade will NEVER be overridden and shouldn't be..
-Neither support gay marriage (which is a shame, why should straight people be the only ones to suffer).
-Neither will pull our troops out of Iraq...
Now, other than the war, how are they THAT much different?
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By Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 1:22pmBy Fight4itMay 14, 2008 - 1:22pm
I guess we're moving past your pointless white working class polls ...
Seems you've pinned the flip-flopping McSame down ... something that no one else has been able to do. Congrats.
Obama has a comprehensive healthcare plan that will cover every American. McSame offers the same sort of privatization proposed for Social Security that voters so soundly rejected 5 years ago that still leaves many uninsured. Obama favors a woman's right to choose, McSame wants more ultraconservative activists like Alito. Obama favors withdrawal, McSame wants to occupy for a 100 years. Obama favors tax relief for the middle class, McSame wants to continue to borrow and spend to support Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.
I could go on but the differences between McSame and Obama really couldn't be clearer. Following yet another RNC tact with the aid of MSM, you are trying to paint McSame as a moderate. Obama will have no difficulty exposing the lie.
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By frazzledMay 14, 2008 - 2:00pmBy Fight4it May 14, 2008 - 7:03am
What working class whites? Most of the really hard work in this country is done by non-whites for small wages. Many of it by illegal immigrants. But if you are interested I can hook you up with an employer looking for someone to pick lettuce in Yuma, AZ for about $7 an hour. Bring your sun block because it gets up to about 120F in the summer.
They could pay you more but then the "hard working" white guy making $12 an hour in the air conditioned Star Bucks would bitch about the price of lettuce.
As for the racist white people in WV we can do without them.
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By f u bush2May 14, 2008 - 1:47pmMountaineers
As an ex West Virginian (born and rasised there, escaped in '71), I have to agree with F U BUSH2. Although home to many wonderful people, including many of my relatives, this State's claim to fame is that it has lost population in every year since WW2. Leadership trends are no to be found here.
Also, racism abounds, probably more to do with their labor history, but there is a good reason why the vote in West Virginia turned out so different that the rest of the Nation.
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By cbmroMay 14, 2008 - 12:01pmBy cbmro May 14, 2008 - 12:01pm
I'm sure there are many decent people like yourself in WV.