Once again I'm FRist! with the Pointless Primary Predictions...
(all guesses include only Hillary/Obama and exclude "others")
Hillary takes Kentucky by 30 points and 18 delegates:
Clinton- 65%
Obama- 35%
Clinton- 39 delegates
Obama- 21 delegates
Obama takes Oregon by 12 points and 9 delegates:
Obama- 56%
Clinton- 44%
Obama- 37 delegates
Clinton- 28 delegates
But, I have to say, I'm less interested in the final results and more interested in exit polling.
It's my guess that Obama will underperform among the nonsensical "white, working class" segment of the vote in KY while overperforming among that same segment in Oregon... quite possibly leading to some exploding heads of pundits this evening.
And my guess, to that end, is the TradMed will largely ignore the Oregon exit polling and focus on Kentucky polling to continue with the "Obama has a working class white problem!" line of nonsense in an attempt to try and further damage his chances in November... ____________________ The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
KY about how the people there are pretty much fed up with politicians of all stripes and flavors. When you see the incredible poverty in those areas, you can see why they feel that way. They visited eastern KY, which is even poorer than most parts of WV. When I lived in WV, I knew people who had friends and relatives that lived there, and the stories they told were downright scary. They have very dangerous pot growers who put land mines and other booby traps around their fields. Corruption is as endemic as the poverty. In Clay county, the per capita income is $9700 per year. That is so far below the poverty line that it isn't even within hailing distance for most of the people there. Unemployment is high, and the people there said they can't even afford the gas to go somewhere outside the area to look for work.
Nothing that any of the candidates have said will help those people one bit. That's the biggest mistake that both parties are making. Begin to do something substantive to help people like this (and there are literally millions of them, especially in Appalachia), and you will take every political office there is, from the presidency to congress on down. We are the richest nation on earth, and yet we still have people living in abject poverty while CEOs rake in bonuses in just one year that are more than all the people in Clay county will make in their lives combined. Doesn't anyone see anything just the least bit wrong in that?????
I can't help but think that regardless of what Obama says or what he might try to do as President, voters in Appalachia are not going to be getting over their Obama problem anytime soon. And, let's be honest:
It's not that Obama has a problem with "working class whites" as he has earned their support elsewhere. And it's not that Obama has a problem with them in Appalachia.
It's that those in Appalachia have an Obama problem.
I can't help but think I have a pretty good idea of what that problem with Obama is, and I can't help but think it's not going to go away with the onset of some economic relief...
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And you can't win if you don't make a pointless primary prediction, mister!
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As for the people in Appalachia, they have been ignored for decades. LBJ's War on Poverty focussed some attention on them, but that was gone when Nixon came in, and now whenever people, especially repubs, want to rant about welfare queens and other supposed recipients of government help, they always seem to picture some inner city black person. Nothing could be further from the truth. There are more rural whites living in poverty than urban blacks, and they are totally ignored. These people are proud, hard-working, and have been abused by big business for over a century. Coal mining was once their way of life, and farming, and both have used them up and thrown them away. If you had a president and congress that finally did something, and not just ignore them or give them lip service, you would have a loyal following.
Enough of my soapbox. I'm not running for anything, and I doubt if anyone in power is ever going to listen to my concerns. I just see millions of our own people tossed away like useless junk, while we spend hundreds of billions in Iraq for no good reason.
I suppose time might tell. Should Obama go on to be the nominee and speak louder about his plans to try and cure the disease of poverty (specifically rural poverty as he has addressed separately from urban poverty) in the face of poverty not even receiving a mention on the Republican nominee's site or in his policies, maybe there is a chance that he can sway these voters. But I tend to doubt it. There can be no denying that while poverty is a larger underlying issue, it manifests itself in a form of racism that leads to opposing Obama. Should Obama go on to become President without their vote and work with Congress to enact some of his plans to address rural poverty specifically which works to help folks in that region... and should the problem largely be poverty... he should have no problem in that region come time for re-election. But something tells me that despite poverty being the larger underlying issue, it envokes the deeper-rooted issue of race that we won't see being overcome any time soon. I'd like to think and do hope I'm wrong... ____________________ The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
of attracting votes. It needs to be addressed out of moral conviction, and out of compassion and sheer humanity. You are probably right in saying that the issue of race won't be overcome any time soon, and it certainly won't be overcome as long as whites and blacks end up segregating themselves from each other. I saw a report on TV a couple of years ago (I can't recall where) about the fact that whites and blacks rarely interact with each other on a day to day basis. I think the report was about Philly, but it could have been about anywhere. America today is segregated in so many ways. Blacks live in one part of town, whites in another. Schools are still largely divided into predominantly white and predominantly black schools. We see black churches and white churches. As long as we all see each other as strangers that are not part of our day to day existence, racism will continue to flourish in this country. How do we solve that? I don't know, but I DO know that the situation we live in today isn't going to fix the matter.
I don't think Obama should address the issue of poverty as a way of attracting votes.
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Nor do I. If my prior post was so poorly constructed as to be misconstrued for stating as much, I want to clarify. I don't think he should be addressing the issue as a way of attracting votes at all. Nor do I think he does. It seems clear to me that he addresses the issue from that very moral conviction of which you speak, sharing a compassion for humanity that results from his varied upbringing. That might be largely because I have enough time on my hands and regular access to "as-quick-as-I-can-click" internet where I can research the man, his message, his record, his past, etc. and come to that conclusion. Others are not afforded as much an opportunity, particularly some of the very folks of whom we are speaking. Therefore, it is largely up to the candidate himself to communicate as much and connect- see also "speak louder".
That said, I can't help but think that the form of racism that results from their situation (this point being better addressed in a new thread hitting the frontpage) might prevent said folks from even really being open to what Obama has to say and offer... ____________________ The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
You can bet repubs are going to get the tar beaten out of them in November by the voters, but if dems don't start looking out for people like this soon, they will also be out of jobs. I laugh my ass off when I see Hillary try to pretend she is just another average beer-drinking joe, and really cares about the average person. If any politician today really did care about the average American, they probably wouldn't get too far in politics. The corporate media would do everything in their power to tear that person down.
attempt to try and further damage his chances in November...
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And, make no mistake, they have every reason to want to damage his chances in November.
If they didn't before, he just gave them one:
YahooNews
Obama eyes media with promise of antitrust push
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PENDLETON, Oregon (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama said on Sunday he would pursue a vigorous antitrust policy if he becomes U.S. president and singled out the media industry as one area where government regulators would need to be watchful as consolidation increases.
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"There are going to be areas, in the media for example where we're seeing more and more consolidation, that I think (it) is legitimate to ask...is the consumer being served?"
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"We're going to have an antitrust division in the Justice Department that actually believes in antitrust law. We haven't had that for the last seven, eight years," Obama said.
"Some of the consolidations that have been taking place, I think, may be anti-competitive."
[...] http://tinyurl.com/5w52qz
Good on ya, Barack. Three cheers for you for taking such a stand. FSM knows that this country moving forward is going to depend in large part on The People having ready access to quality information from a wide variety of sources that do not operate under the same few owners.
But, weren't you watching in 2003-2004, Barack?
Doctor Dean proposed precisely the same idea on Hardball...
MATTHEWS: ...Ted Kennedy was part of that deregulation, the deregulation of radio. There are so many things that have been deregulated. Is that wrong trend and would you reverse it?
DEAN: I would reverse in some areas.
First of all, 11 companies in this country control 90 percent of what ordinary people are able to read and watch on their television. That's wrong. We need to have a wide variety of opinions in every community. We don't have that because of Michael Powell and what George Bush has tried to do to the FCC.
MATTHEWS: Would you break up Fox?
(LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: I'm serious.
DEAN: I'm keeping a...
MATTHEWS: Would you break it up? Rupert Murdoch has "The Weekly Standard." It has got a lot of other interests. It has got "The New York Post." Would you break it up?
DEAN: On ideological grounds, absolutely yes, but...
(LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: No, seriously. As a public policy, would you bring industrial policy to bear and break up these conglomerations of power?
DEAN: I don't want to answer whether I would break up Fox or not, because, obviously
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Well, how about large media enterprises?
DEAN: Let me-yes, let me get...
(LAUGHTER)
DEAN: The answer to that is yes.
I would say that there is too much penetration by single corporations in media markets all over this country. We need locally-owned radio stations. There are only two or three radio stations left in the state of Vermont where you can get local news anymore. The rest of it is read and ripped from the AP.
MATTHEWS: So what are you going to do about it? You're going to be president of the United States, what are you going to do?
DEAN: What I'm going to do is appoint people to the FCC that believe democracy depends on getting information from all portions of the political spectrum, not just one.
...just before the TradMed jumped all over him and joined with Clintonite Wes Clark and DLCorporatists like Lieberman and Gephardt in screaming repeatedly "Unelectable! Howard Dean is unelectable!" so as to help drown out Dean's chances at ever becoming the nominee.
My, how history tends to repeat itself... ____________________ The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
I have been fighting for this issue since the media ruined the 2000 election and was the primary reason that GW won the white house.
News for profit is not that same as News to inform the public on critical issues that must be addressed in our democracy.
GW bush and his white house wouldn't exist if it wasn't for this corporate media supporting him to the very end. MSNBC is shift after KO has shown them the way.
Do you realize if the Titanic sinking occur today and GW was the Captain of the ship, the cry from today's media would be to blame the men in the iceberg crow's nest and not to hold the president, I mean the caption of the ship, accoutable for the disaster.
The media would be crying not to hold a true fact finding inquest because it would only bring back bad memories for the families of those poor victims. The cry from the media would be that nothing can be done to improve ship travel and all passengers should purchase expensive personal life boats.
What is amazing is that the american people and the press of 1912 wouldn't fall for that tactic to protect Captain Smith, then why did the americans of today not interested in finding out what really happen on 9/11. Yeah the mainstream media will report whacky conspircy stories to promote the image of a interested news organization searching for the truth, but they ignored real questions on why certain protection measures were not implemented to proctect the lives of almost 3000 americans.
Yeah, don't bring of that so called 9/11 commission. I doubt if Captain Smith, if he survived could have gotten by with sending in his comments thru a third party at the Titanic inquest.
Of course, we didn't have strong media regulations in 1912, but we had so many truly independent news papers that they pretty much regulated themselves and if the didn't the american people had more options for there mainstream information.
Enough of me, getting back on point. GREAT POST ...Keep of the good work.
Thanks
Yeah, um, I just realized I included unpledged in with elected for my delegate totals, and nobody bothered to fix me.
51 for KY and 52 for OR, so adjusted accordingly:
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Obama / Sebelius '08
According to MSNBC Obama picked up enough pledged delegates in Kentucky to be one away from having won pledged delegates out right. He will win it tonight.
Of course she just gave a ridiculous speech saying she is still in the race.
I've been telling you for a couple weeks now that he/you/I can argue he won all he/we want(s). "Win" means something entirely different in Reality than it does in Clintonia. And "win" for them now seems to mean 2,210 delegates despite having argued previously that "win" was 2,025 delegates.
That's another thing, in Clintonia, the meaning for a word can also change at any time.
What I gathered from the little bit of her speech that I happened to see was: "I am more determined than ever to fuck up the Party's chances for November."
I thought I caught an "...until somebody stops me" in there too, but I can't be sure.
So, somebody (yeah undeclared "superdelegates", I'm lookin' at you) needs to stop her.
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Obama / Sebelius '08
And my guess, to that end, is the TradMed will largely ignore the Oregon exit polling and focus on Kentucky polling to continue with the "Obama has a working class white problem!" line of nonsense in an attempt to try and further damage his chances in November...
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Well, we've already learned from Moron O'Donnell on MSNBC that Oregon shouldn't be paid much attention because they're... **gasp**... more Liberal! than the states voting before them.
Damn Liberals!, ruining the pundit talking points.
Because of you, Moron O'Donnell had to stop her coverage of the exit polling that would've revealed such things as:
Gender
Female: Obam 50, Clinton 49
What? He beat her among among women? Moron might never get to that. Damn Liberals!.
Race
White: Obama 55, Clinton 43
Huh? Whites too? Missed Moron pointing that out. Damn Liberals!.
Total family income
Less than $50,000: Obama 52, Clinton 46
Oh, snap! Working class voters too? The majority of them being whites?! That would've been quite embarrassing to Moron who has been trumpeting the working class whites nonsense.
You Damn Liberals!.
And one more just for shits and giggles. This one will blow Pat Buchanan's mind for good:
Religion
Catholic: Obama 49, Clinton 48
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Obama / Sebelius '08
Hillary wins KY easily in double digits and loses Oregon by 9 or 10.....
BUT she will nonetheless declare that she has won that most votes if you (as she) count ALL the states. She stays in and hopes that another Rev Wrong issue comes up or that Obama is secretly the BFF of Osama Bin Laden...Other than that, Obama is the nominee....
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
"Rev. Wrong?" Wasn't he a Marine? Unlike the Deserter-in-Chief, Rev. Wright served in combat and did not use Daddy's coattails to get an assignment in the Champagne Squad, then duck out on his mission after he'd been ordered to take a flight physical.
I think Rev. Wright EARNED his right to say whatever he thinks about an America that for almost 200 years institutionalized racism and discrimination. You might feel the same way about your country if people of your skin color were lynched for looking a a white woman the wrong way.
Obama as BFF with Osama? Another laugh. Osama bin Laden has had no greater friend than George Dubya Bush. Just when he was pinned down and irrelevant, Bush let OBL slip away (we can't take away the boogeyman; the American people have to have someone to fear in 2004 so that they'll re-elect him), then began a war in Iraq that has inspired untold numbers to flock to OBL's cause.
You don't get it do you. Unlike those on the left when Cheney had heart issues (or wishing him dead), Rush and Sean won't stoop that low. In fact I'll be that if you bother to listen you won't hear anything but best wishes for his health....
That said, the man is....What? 78.... When he was born his life expectancy was probably 65 or 68 years. I'd say he's done pretty well considering the life-style that he and many "rich" people have in their youth....
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
Feel free to offer any example of any media personality on the left that said anything inappropriate when Cheney was in the hospital or wished him dead.
Sooo, Bill Maher (liberal) never said that he wished that Cheney had been killed by the suicide bomber in Iraq?
Quoting the blog, Maher said, "I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow."
Asked by Frank if Maher believed that sentiment, the host replied, "I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact."
Had to stretch for that one, huh? Maher was quoting a blog (which made an observation rather than wishing death). By the way, I don't disagree with Maher's conclusion.
I know where you directed your comment. And in that comment you made an assertion about the left that I think is patently incorrect. I couldn't care less about Limbaugh or Hannity.
You haven't offered anything from the left wishing Cheney dead or saying something inappropriate while he was sick. You offered Maher's observation of a post on Huffpo.
Oh, hey, there are MUCH better ways to go and with THAT kind of money I'm sure he chould hire himself enough 18-25 year old hotties to "horizontial mambo" himself right into cardiac arrest...
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
Now I don't feel so bad when I said that I was glad that Reagan was gone. If I can prove to be heartless and ignorant enough, maybe I will be asked to join the repub party. Ooooops. I'm not a racist, so I guess I still can't pass the entrance requirements.
As mentioned earlier, the Republicans fought the Democrats to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. Oh and by the way, it's DEMOCRAT whites that are turning out against Obama, not Republicans...
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
in a democratic primary, isn't it? Unless they were open primaries, in which case they followed Rush's call with Operation Chaos, and they DID get a chance to vote against him. Don't worrry, you'll get your chance to vote against him in less than 6 months.
By the way, who was the President who proposed the 1964 civil rights bill? It was actually JFK, and LBJ got that and other Kennedy legislation passed after JFK was gunned down.
hmm... I'm Democrat, I'm white, and I'm southern - why do I support Obama?
No, it's the white Reps registering as Independent or Dem so that they can vote in the Dem primary - for who? Hillary! And why? Because they are a bunch of racist jerks.
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007 - So you think McCain has figured out the difference between Sunni and Shiite yet?
WRONG AGAIN... The goal of "Operation Chaos" was not to select the Democratic candidate, it was to keep your selection process alive as long as possilbe.... Mission Complete... Had Billary been beating Obama, the object would have been to vote for him, thus the name "Operation Chaos"...
Class dismissed...
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
You know you are responsible through your ignorance for the deaths of many. And you'll remember that when you look at your children. You'll think of the dead children that died in the name of your fear.
Let it out. Show us your inner barbarian girlie man.
I think it has to do with the end of the Bush regime as you said, and also the dead children being shown him. He has to confront his guilt now. And the fear of not being 'protected from them' any longer by Bush.
Next we'll hear MAnn Coulter say something inappropriate about kennedy and his tumor. No doubt Rev. Hagee will blame it on god's displeasure with Kennedy's sins.
They'll start off with condolences. Then they talk about how horrible Ted is and bring the conversation around to how an uncivilized person might wish this on Ted for all he has done in their opinion. Which is to imply that they are pleased about what has happened to Ted but the liberals are too PC for them to tell the truth but the listeners get what they are saying.
And then the listeners will think they are smart because they understand Rush and Hannity's 'sophisticated' conversation that fools the liberals.
Pookie meant volunteer to put his life on the line for his beliefs. She didn't mean go serve as a nurse in the occupied zone.
frightened twit is the Frank Burns of this war.
He would probably report a real soldier if he found evidence of pot smoking. These soldiers have to fight for his beliefs in a sober, respectable fashion after all.
That means sooo much coming from somebody who has probably never served. But you know that is your right. Sleep well under the blanket of freedom that is provided by people like me...
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
Sleep well under the blanket of freedom that is provided by people like me...
Look - its the last resort card. I can't justify my point of view so I'll play the vet card. "You can disagree with me but let me point out that I'm a soldier so while I fight for you I respect your choice to hurt my feelings by disagreeing with me."
Listen dumb ass. YOU are doing nothing to protect me. YOU are making my world more dangerous. Because you are a soldier? NO. Because you are a cheerleader for reckless, ignorant and murderous foreign policy. And as much sympathy as I feel for the soldiers dying and suffering in Iraq, I will not say their mission is protecting me because it is an ill advised mission. It doesn't take away form my respect for them.
YOU however are a different story. YOU are a Bush supporter and so you are partly responsible for this disaster in Iraq. Your nursing duties in the military do not trump that.
I'm not a "Bush" supporter, I'm a mission supporter. I voted for McCain (in the primary) and would have voted for Edwards but never Kerry. I wish we had not invaded Iraq, I wish we had armed them to the teeth to take out the real enemy...Iran. Saddam was a tyrant but a pretty moderate Muslim.
That said...We are there now.
We can't simply leave but if that is what President Obama want's to do, fine, that'll be the mission. If McCain wants to put 300K troops on the ground..Fine, that'll be the mission. You want to argue with somebody, take it up with the congress that gave it's approval to include 29 of 50 Democrats in the Senate. AND the VAST majority who voted FOR Kyl-Lieberman (76-22-2) Obama didn't vote against it.
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
Sorry, already have a contract with the Navy.. But I'm sure they'll take you, they've lowered the ASVAB scores and criminal background check. You could get right in!
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
Statement after vetoing voter disenfranchisement law in Kansas:
"Additionally, no elected official should support enacting new laws discouraging or disenfranchising any American who has been legally voting for years….HB 2019 seeks to solve a problem of voter fraud which does not exist in our state due to the tireless efforts of our local election officials."
This victory of Obama's with pledged delegates and his large election fun (opposed to her large debt) will give the remaining delegates the excuse to brave the wrath of the Clintons.
I believe if you convert caucus states to primaries Obama wins. Of course you may disagree. Since we are left to yes vs. no arguments we have to agree that line of thought is pretty useless.
Obama wins both states voting today
Kentucky and Oregon will both give Obama the advantage. Much bigger lead in Oregon, but he will win both.
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By NamaimoMay 20, 2008 - 11:46amHow do you figure?
I'm supporting Obama, but he's behind by about 20 points in Kentucky, and ahead by only about 9 in Oregon. Stand by for a brokered convention.
You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
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By LiberalIconoclastMay 20, 2008 - 12:20pmBy LiberalIconoclastMay 20, 2008 - 12:20pm
Making bold predictions that will likely never come true?
Namaimo: The hufflarry2000 of Camp Obama.
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 12:25pmPrediction
Kentucky
Clinton 63%
Obama 35%
Oregon
Clinton 51%
Obama 49%
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By hufflarry2000May 20, 2008 - 5:09pmBy hufflarry2000 May 20, 2008 - 5:09pm
Aw shucks. That's just not enough for her to take the lead and win the nomination.
Darn.
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 5:20pmBy hufflarry2000May 20, 2008 - 5:09pm
That will be enough delegates for Obama to declare victory tonight.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 5:36pmno it
wont be
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By hufflarry2000May 20, 2008 - 5:53pmDenial
...ain't just a river in Egypt!
Somebody stick a fork in Hillary...yep, she's DONE!
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By nonexistent manMay 20, 2008 - 6:05pmBy hufflarry2000May 20, 2008 - 5:53pm
Yes it will be.
Boy will you be pissed.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 7:08pmbakashah!
Once again I'm FRist! with the Pointless Primary Predictions...
(all guesses include only Hillary/Obama and exclude "others")
Hillary takes Kentucky by 30 points and 18 delegates:
Clinton- 65%
Obama- 35%
Clinton- 39 delegates
Obama- 21 delegates
Obama takes Oregon by 12 points and 9 delegates:
Obama- 56%
Clinton- 44%
Obama- 37 delegates
Clinton- 28 delegates
But, I have to say, I'm less interested in the final results and more interested in exit polling.
It's my guess that Obama will underperform among the nonsensical "white, working class" segment of the vote in KY while overperforming among that same segment in Oregon... quite possibly leading to some exploding heads of pundits this evening.
And my guess, to that end, is the TradMed will largely ignore the Oregon exit polling and focus on Kentucky polling to continue with the "Obama has a working class white problem!" line of nonsense in an attempt to try and further damage his chances in November...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 11:55amI was watching CNN this morning and they had a report from
KY about how the people there are pretty much fed up with politicians of all stripes and flavors. When you see the incredible poverty in those areas, you can see why they feel that way. They visited eastern KY, which is even poorer than most parts of WV. When I lived in WV, I knew people who had friends and relatives that lived there, and the stories they told were downright scary. They have very dangerous pot growers who put land mines and other booby traps around their fields. Corruption is as endemic as the poverty. In Clay county, the per capita income is $9700 per year. That is so far below the poverty line that it isn't even within hailing distance for most of the people there. Unemployment is high, and the people there said they can't even afford the gas to go somewhere outside the area to look for work.
Nothing that any of the candidates have said will help those people one bit. That's the biggest mistake that both parties are making. Begin to do something substantive to help people like this (and there are literally millions of them, especially in Appalachia), and you will take every political office there is, from the presidency to congress on down. We are the richest nation on earth, and yet we still have people living in abject poverty while CEOs rake in bonuses in just one year that are more than all the people in Clay county will make in their lives combined. Doesn't anyone see anything just the least bit wrong in that?????
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 12:31pmBy Uffdaguy May 20, 2008 - 12:31pm
I can't help but think that regardless of what Obama says or what he might try to do as President, voters in Appalachia are not going to be getting over their Obama problem anytime soon. And, let's be honest:
It's not that Obama has a problem with "working class whites" as he has earned their support elsewhere. And it's not that Obama has a problem with them in Appalachia.
It's that those in Appalachia have an Obama problem.
I can't help but think I have a pretty good idea of what that problem with Obama is, and I can't help but think it's not going to go away with the onset of some economic relief...
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And you can't win if you don't make a pointless primary prediction, mister!
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 1:02pmOK, pointless prediction
Clinton wins KY by 22
Obama wins OR by 12
As for the people in Appalachia, they have been ignored for decades. LBJ's War on Poverty focussed some attention on them, but that was gone when Nixon came in, and now whenever people, especially repubs, want to rant about welfare queens and other supposed recipients of government help, they always seem to picture some inner city black person. Nothing could be further from the truth. There are more rural whites living in poverty than urban blacks, and they are totally ignored. These people are proud, hard-working, and have been abused by big business for over a century. Coal mining was once their way of life, and farming, and both have used them up and thrown them away. If you had a president and congress that finally did something, and not just ignore them or give them lip service, you would have a loyal following.
Enough of my soapbox. I'm not running for anything, and I doubt if anyone in power is ever going to listen to my concerns. I just see millions of our own people tossed away like useless junk, while we spend hundreds of billions in Iraq for no good reason.
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 1:20pmBy Uffdaguy May 20, 2008 - 1:20pm
I suppose time might tell. Should Obama go on to be the nominee and speak louder about his plans to try and cure the disease of poverty (specifically rural poverty as he has addressed separately from urban poverty) in the face of poverty not even receiving a mention on the Republican nominee's site or in his policies, maybe there is a chance that he can sway these voters. But I tend to doubt it. There can be no denying that while poverty is a larger underlying issue, it manifests itself in a form of racism that leads to opposing Obama. Should Obama go on to become President without their vote and work with Congress to enact some of his plans to address rural poverty specifically which works to help folks in that region... and should the problem largely be poverty... he should have no problem in that region come time for re-election. But something tells me that despite poverty being the larger underlying issue, it envokes the deeper-rooted issue of race that we won't see being overcome any time soon. I'd like to think and do hope I'm wrong...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 3:55pmI don't think Obama should address the issue of poverty as a way
of attracting votes. It needs to be addressed out of moral conviction, and out of compassion and sheer humanity. You are probably right in saying that the issue of race won't be overcome any time soon, and it certainly won't be overcome as long as whites and blacks end up segregating themselves from each other. I saw a report on TV a couple of years ago (I can't recall where) about the fact that whites and blacks rarely interact with each other on a day to day basis. I think the report was about Philly, but it could have been about anywhere. America today is segregated in so many ways. Blacks live in one part of town, whites in another. Schools are still largely divided into predominantly white and predominantly black schools. We see black churches and white churches. As long as we all see each other as strangers that are not part of our day to day existence, racism will continue to flourish in this country. How do we solve that? I don't know, but I DO know that the situation we live in today isn't going to fix the matter.
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 4:00pmBy Uffdaguy May 20, 2008 - 4:00pm
I don't think Obama should address the issue of poverty as a way of attracting votes.
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Nor do I. If my prior post was so poorly constructed as to be misconstrued for stating as much, I want to clarify. I don't think he should be addressing the issue as a way of attracting votes at all. Nor do I think he does. It seems clear to me that he addresses the issue from that very moral conviction of which you speak, sharing a compassion for humanity that results from his varied upbringing. That might be largely because I have enough time on my hands and regular access to "as-quick-as-I-can-click" internet where I can research the man, his message, his record, his past, etc. and come to that conclusion. Others are not afforded as much an opportunity, particularly some of the very folks of whom we are speaking. Therefore, it is largely up to the candidate himself to communicate as much and connect- see also "speak louder".
That said, I can't help but think that the form of racism that results from their situation (this point being better addressed in a new thread hitting the frontpage) might prevent said folks from even really being open to what Obama has to say and offer...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 4:15pmSounds remarkably
like a John Steinbeck novel circa 1933.
I predict that the Repugs are in for their rudest awakening since 1932.
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By blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 2:26pmBelieve me, things down there are very much like they were
75 years ago. It's as if time has stood still.
You can bet repubs are going to get the tar beaten out of them in November by the voters, but if dems don't start looking out for people like this soon, they will also be out of jobs. I laugh my ass off when I see Hillary try to pretend she is just another average beer-drinking joe, and really cares about the average person. If any politician today really did care about the average American, they probably wouldn't get too far in politics. The corporate media would do everything in their power to tear that person down.
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 2:33pmThe last president
who was truly beloved in those circles was probably FDR, who brought electrification and flood control to the region.
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By blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 3:45pmBolgbob
From your blog to God's cable network.
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By tyrdofwaitinMay 20, 2008 - 4:25pmWould that be GRN?
God's Revelation Network---all revelations, all the time.
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 4:33pmBy SJerseyIndy May 20, 2008 - 11:55am
attempt to try and further damage his chances in November...
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And, make no mistake, they have every reason to want to damage his chances in November.
If they didn't before, he just gave them one:
Good on ya, Barack. Three cheers for you for taking such a stand. FSM knows that this country moving forward is going to depend in large part on The People having ready access to quality information from a wide variety of sources that do not operate under the same few owners.
But, weren't you watching in 2003-2004, Barack?
Doctor Dean proposed precisely the same idea on Hardball...
...just before the TradMed jumped all over him and joined with Clintonite Wes Clark and DLCorporatists like Lieberman and Gephardt in screaming repeatedly "Unelectable! Howard Dean is unelectable!" so as to help drown out Dean's chances at ever becoming the nominee.
My, how history tends to repeat itself...
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 12:50pmGreat Post SJersey
I have been fighting for this issue since the media ruined the 2000 election and was the primary reason that GW won the white house.
News for profit is not that same as News to inform the public on critical issues that must be addressed in our democracy.
GW bush and his white house wouldn't exist if it wasn't for this corporate media supporting him to the very end. MSNBC is shift after KO has shown them the way.
Do you realize if the Titanic sinking occur today and GW was the Captain of the ship, the cry from today's media would be to blame the men in the iceberg crow's nest and not to hold the president, I mean the caption of the ship, accoutable for the disaster.
The media would be crying not to hold a true fact finding inquest because it would only bring back bad memories for the families of those poor victims. The cry from the media would be that nothing can be done to improve ship travel and all passengers should purchase expensive personal life boats.
What is amazing is that the american people and the press of 1912 wouldn't fall for that tactic to protect Captain Smith, then why did the americans of today not interested in finding out what really happen on 9/11. Yeah the mainstream media will report whacky conspircy stories to promote the image of a interested news organization searching for the truth, but they ignored real questions on why certain protection measures were not implemented to proctect the lives of almost 3000 americans.
Yeah, don't bring of that so called 9/11 commission. I doubt if Captain Smith, if he survived could have gotten by with sending in his comments thru a third party at the Titanic inquest.
Of course, we didn't have strong media regulations in 1912, but we had so many truly independent news papers that they pretty much regulated themselves and if the didn't the american people had more options for there mainstream information.
Enough of me, getting back on point. GREAT POST ...Keep of the good work.
Thanks
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By KvnRJohnso407May 20, 2008 - 2:08pmBy SJerseyIndy May 20, 2008 - 11:55am
Yeah, um, I just realized I included unpledged in with elected for my delegate totals, and nobody bothered to fix me.
51 for KY and 52 for OR, so adjusted accordingly:
Clinton in KY by 15 delegates: 33-18
Obama in OR by 6 delegates: 29-23
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 8:29pmBy SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 8:29pm
According to MSNBC Obama picked up enough pledged delegates in Kentucky to be one away from having won pledged delegates out right. He will win it tonight.
Of course she just gave a ridiculous speech saying she is still in the race.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 8:39pmBy f u bush2 May 20, 2008 - 8:39pm
I've been telling you for a couple weeks now that he/you/I can argue he won all he/we want(s). "Win" means something entirely different in Reality than it does in Clintonia. And "win" for them now seems to mean 2,210 delegates despite having argued previously that "win" was 2,025 delegates.
That's another thing, in Clintonia, the meaning for a word can also change at any time.
What I gathered from the little bit of her speech that I happened to see was:
"I am more determined than ever to fuck up the Party's chances for November."
I thought I caught an "...until somebody stops me" in there too, but I can't be sure.
So, somebody (yeah undeclared "superdelegates", I'm lookin' at you) needs to stop her.
June 4th would be as good a date as any.
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 8:51pmBy SJerseyIndy May 20, 2008 - 11:55am
And my guess, to that end, is the TradMed will largely ignore the Oregon exit polling and focus on Kentucky polling to continue with the "Obama has a working class white problem!" line of nonsense in an attempt to try and further damage his chances in November...
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Well, we've already learned from Moron O'Donnell on MSNBC that Oregon shouldn't be paid much attention because they're... **gasp**... more Liberal! than the states voting before them.
Damn Liberals!, ruining the pundit talking points.
Because of you, Moron O'Donnell had to stop her coverage of the exit polling that would've revealed such things as:
What? He beat her among among women? Moron might never get to that. Damn Liberals!.
Huh? Whites too? Missed Moron pointing that out. Damn Liberals!.
Oh, snap! Working class voters too? The majority of them being whites?! That would've been quite embarrassing to Moron who has been trumpeting the working class whites nonsense.
You Damn Liberals!.
And one more just for shits and giggles. This one will blow Pat Buchanan's mind for good:
You. Damn. Liberals!.
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 11:45pmHmmmm...
Hillary wins KY easily in double digits and loses Oregon by 9 or 10.....
BUT she will nonetheless declare that she has won that most votes if you (as she) count ALL the states. She stays in and hopes that another Rev Wrong issue comes up or that Obama is secretly the BFF of Osama Bin Laden...Other than that, Obama is the nominee....
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 2:19pmI just love it (laugh)
"Rev. Wrong?" Wasn't he a Marine? Unlike the Deserter-in-Chief, Rev. Wright served in combat and did not use Daddy's coattails to get an assignment in the Champagne Squad, then duck out on his mission after he'd been ordered to take a flight physical.
I think Rev. Wright EARNED his right to say whatever he thinks about an America that for almost 200 years institutionalized racism and discrimination. You might feel the same way about your country if people of your skin color were lynched for looking a a white woman the wrong way.
Obama as BFF with Osama? Another laugh. Osama bin Laden has had no greater friend than George Dubya Bush. Just when he was pinned down and irrelevant, Bush let OBL slip away (we can't take away the boogeyman; the American people have to have someone to fear in 2004 so that they'll re-elect him), then began a war in Iraq that has inspired untold numbers to flock to OBL's cause.
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By blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 3:54pmThis is Obama's big night
Its sad that Kennedy was diagnosed with a brain tumor on this day.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 2:27pmI'm betting Rush and Hannity will be dancing in the streets
when they start spreading the news about Kennedy. Bastards!
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 2:34pmBy UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 2:34pm
You don't get it do you. Unlike those on the left when Cheney had heart issues (or wishing him dead), Rush and Sean won't stoop that low. In fact I'll be that if you bother to listen you won't hear anything but best wishes for his health....
That said, the man is....What? 78.... When he was born his life expectancy was probably 65 or 68 years. I'd say he's done pretty well considering the life-style that he and many "rich" people have in their youth....
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 2:44pmBy Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 2:44pm
Feel free to offer any example of any media personality on the left that said anything inappropriate when Cheney was in the hospital or wished him dead.
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By frazzledMay 20, 2008 - 2:57pmBy frazzledMay 20, 2008 - 2:57pm
Sooo, Bill Maher (liberal) never said that he wished that Cheney had been killed by the suicide bomber in Iraq?
Quoting the blog, Maher said, "I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow."
Asked by Frank if Maher believed that sentiment, the host replied, "I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact."
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256650,00.html
(Yes I realize it's Fox but nobody else would cover it...)
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:09pmBy Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:09pm
Had to stretch for that one, huh? Maher was quoting a blog (which made an observation rather than wishing death). By the way, I don't disagree with Maher's conclusion.
Got any others?
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By frazzledMay 20, 2008 - 3:22pmBy frazzledMay 20, 2008 - 3:22pm
My comment was at Uff who said that Rush and Sean will "be dancing in the streets
when they start spreading the news about Kennedy. Bastards!"
By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 2:34pm
Patently, that is incorrect. Neither host has "yucked" it up over Kennedy's condition.....
You asked for one and I gave it to ya.... Your turn...Did Hannity or Rush make light of Kennedy's condition?
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:36pmGive them a bit of time
Neither one is particularly swift on the uptake.
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 3:39pmBy UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 3:39pm
Hate to disappoint but Hannity wished for Kennedy's speedy recovery....
Rush was off today but if he makes light of it, I'll post it and blast him for it....
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:42pmWanna place bets on what kind of shitty remark
Anne Coulter makes about the whole thing?
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 3:43pmBy Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:36pm
I know where you directed your comment. And in that comment you made an assertion about the left that I think is patently incorrect. I couldn't care less about Limbaugh or Hannity.
You haven't offered anything from the left wishing Cheney dead or saying something inappropriate while he was sick. You offered Maher's observation of a post on Huffpo.
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By frazzledMay 20, 2008 - 3:48pmNeither host has "yucked" it up over Kennedy's condition.....
...YET!
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By blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 3:57pmYes, the man has had a long, full life
However, I had a friend who died of a brain tumor, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 2:59pmBy UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 2:59pm
Oh, hey, there are MUCH better ways to go and with THAT kind of money I'm sure he chould hire himself enough 18-25 year old hotties to "horizontial mambo" himself right into cardiac arrest...
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:13pmJust the sort of compassion I expected from you.
Now I don't feel so bad when I said that I was glad that Reagan was gone. If I can prove to be heartless and ignorant enough, maybe I will be asked to join the repub party. Ooooops. I'm not a racist, so I guess I still can't pass the entrance requirements.
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 3:19pmBy UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 3:19pm
As mentioned earlier, the Republicans fought the Democrats to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. Oh and by the way, it's DEMOCRAT whites that are turning out against Obama, not Republicans...
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:39pmKind of hard for repubs to turn out to vote against Obama
in a democratic primary, isn't it? Unless they were open primaries, in which case they followed Rush's call with Operation Chaos, and they DID get a chance to vote against him. Don't worrry, you'll get your chance to vote against him in less than 6 months.
By the way, who was the President who proposed the 1964 civil rights bill? It was actually JFK, and LBJ got that and other Kennedy legislation passed after JFK was gunned down.
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By UffdaguyMay 20, 2008 - 3:46pmBy Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:39pm
The opposition to the Civil Rights Act was regional. All of the Southern Republicans opposed it.
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By frazzledMay 20, 2008 - 3:50pmhmm... I'm Democrat, I'm
hmm... I'm Democrat, I'm white, and I'm southern - why do I support Obama?
No, it's the white Reps registering as Independent or Dem so that they can vote in the Dem primary - for who? Hillary! And why? Because they are a bunch of racist jerks.
"My presidency will be al Qaeda's worst nightmare." -John McCain Sep 4, 2007 - So you think McCain has figured out the difference between Sunni and Shiite yet?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/18/780688.aspx
Obama/Clinton 08
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By gg4usaMay 20, 2008 - 11:27pmBy gg4usaMay 20, 2008 - 11:27pm
That, & many of them know that McCain can beat her more easily come November. This is the reasoning behind "Operation Chaos".
Support the Troops
End the Occupation
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By Guy FawkesMay 20, 2008 - 11:43pmBy Guy FawkesMay 20, 2008 - 11:43pm
WRONG AGAIN... The goal of "Operation Chaos" was not to select the Democratic candidate, it was to keep your selection process alive as long as possilbe.... Mission Complete... Had Billary been beating Obama, the object would have been to vote for him, thus the name "Operation Chaos"...
Class dismissed...
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By Fight4itMay 21, 2008 - 7:12amBy Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:13pm
Keep at it bitter man.
You know you are responsible through your ignorance for the deaths of many. And you'll remember that when you look at your children. You'll think of the dead children that died in the name of your fear.
Let it out. Show us your inner barbarian girlie man.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:20pmFlighty has become uncharacteristically aggressive lately, no?
Must be the realization kicking in, that Bushism is about to go the way of Fieros, Judd Nelson, and jackets with a hundred non-functioning zippers.
You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
---Ray Bradbury
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By LiberalIconoclastMay 20, 2008 - 3:30pmBy LiberalIconoclastMay 20, 2008 - 3:30pm
I think it has to do with the end of the Bush regime as you said, and also the dead children being shown him. He has to confront his guilt now. And the fear of not being 'protected from them' any longer by Bush.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:44pmBy LiberalIconoclastMay 20, 2008 - 3:30pm
As I said, there is nothing else to argue about lately...
The 2nd is in the hands of SCOTUS when the give their opinion, I'll be happy to discuss.
The voter ID was decided on a 6-3 and we discussed that fairly civally...
What do you want to debate....?
This?
money.cnn.com/2006/11/28/markets/treasury_ruling/index.htm
All that is left is Islam unless you just want a big gush of "group think".....
It's too bad that few of you can't debate without insulting, but that's just who most of you are...
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:47pmDo you do stand-up anywhere?
Next we'll hear MAnn Coulter say something inappropriate about kennedy and his tumor. No doubt Rev. Hagee will blame it on god's displeasure with Kennedy's sins.
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By blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 3:59pmRush and Sean won't stoop that low
care to lay some money on that?
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By blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 3:55pmBy blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 3:55pm
They'll start off with condolences. Then they talk about how horrible Ted is and bring the conversation around to how an uncivilized person might wish this on Ted for all he has done in their opinion. Which is to imply that they are pleased about what has happened to Ted but the liberals are too PC for them to tell the truth but the listeners get what they are saying.
And then the listeners will think they are smart because they understand Rush and Hannity's 'sophisticated' conversation that fools the liberals.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 4:00pmOn another thread frightened twit was asked to volunteer
He said if he was called up he would.
LMAO
Pookie meant volunteer to put his life on the line for his beliefs. She didn't mean go serve as a nurse in the occupied zone.
frightened twit is the Frank Burns of this war.
He would probably report a real soldier if he found evidence of pot smoking. These soldiers have to fight for his beliefs in a sober, respectable fashion after all.
What an ass.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:24pmBy f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:24pm
That means sooo much coming from somebody who has probably never served. But you know that is your right. Sleep well under the blanket of freedom that is provided by people like me...
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:30pmBy Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:30pm
I thought we were protected by black water now?
Should I sleep well under their watch?
Listen Frank. Why don't you lighten up on the troops. Your fear and patriotism are getting them killed.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:46pmf u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:46pm
Hey, Burns was an MD and a surgeon. I'd be happy to be just like him. Thanks for the compliment...
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:48pmBy Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 3:48pm
What an idiot.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:55pmResponse to the murderer frightened twit
Look - its the last resort card. I can't justify my point of view so I'll play the vet card. "You can disagree with me but let me point out that I'm a soldier so while I fight for you I respect your choice to hurt my feelings by disagreeing with me."
Listen dumb ass. YOU are doing nothing to protect me. YOU are making my world more dangerous. Because you are a soldier? NO. Because you are a cheerleader for reckless, ignorant and murderous foreign policy. And as much sympathy as I feel for the soldiers dying and suffering in Iraq, I will not say their mission is protecting me because it is an ill advised mission. It doesn't take away form my respect for them.
YOU however are a different story. YOU are a Bush supporter and so you are partly responsible for this disaster in Iraq. Your nursing duties in the military do not trump that.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:56pmBy f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 3:56pm
I'm not a "Bush" supporter, I'm a mission supporter. I voted for McCain (in the primary) and would have voted for Edwards but never Kerry. I wish we had not invaded Iraq, I wish we had armed them to the teeth to take out the real enemy...Iran. Saddam was a tyrant but a pretty moderate Muslim.
That said...We are there now.
We can't simply leave but if that is what President Obama want's to do, fine, that'll be the mission. If McCain wants to put 300K troops on the ground..Fine, that'll be the mission. You want to argue with somebody, take it up with the congress that gave it's approval to include 29 of 50 Democrats in the Senate. AND the VAST majority who voted FOR Kyl-Lieberman (76-22-2) Obama didn't vote against it.
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 4:10pmConvienent
that the warmongers all say they'd be willing to go if asked.
Well, WE'RE ASKIN'!
www.goarmy.com/
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By blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 4:01pmBy blogbobMay 20, 2008 - 4:01pm
Sorry, already have a contract with the Navy.. But I'm sure they'll take you, they've lowered the ASVAB scores and criminal background check. You could get right in!
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By Fight4itMay 20, 2008 - 4:14pmBacklash Math
I dislike sushi but here goes:
Oregon: Clinton achieves 45% and Obama 55%
Kentucky: Clinton achieves 58% and Obama 42%
NB: Whatya want to bet that the Oregon votes for Obama are for Obama and...
whatya want to bet that the majority of Kentucky votes for Clinton are anti-Obama? Any percentages?
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By tyrdofwaitinMay 20, 2008 - 4:23pmGood for you, Gov. Sebelius
Statement after vetoing voter disenfranchisement law in Kansas:
"Additionally, no elected official should support enacting new laws discouraging or disenfranchising any American who has been legally voting for years….HB 2019 seeks to solve a problem of voter fraud which does not exist in our state due to the tireless efforts of our local election officials."
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/20/kansas-gov-sebelius-vetoes-vote...
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By frazzledMay 20, 2008 - 8:12pmHillary won kentucky
Because her supporters quietly campaigned on Jim Crow laws there.
Shameful.
LOL
Just kidding. She is so embarrassing to watch. How is she going to pay for the general election with $20 million in debt already?
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 8:46pmI'll bet many super delegates will come out for Obama now
This victory of Obama's with pledged delegates and his large election fun (opposed to her large debt) will give the remaining delegates the excuse to brave the wrath of the Clintons.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 8:48pmClinton now leads the popular vote by 239,000 votes.
Obama gets crushed again in another working class state. President McCain thanks you neo libtards.
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By hufflarry2000May 20, 2008 - 8:58pmBy hufflarry2000May 20, 2008 - 8:58pm
That's an interesting bit of useless trivia.
I believe if you convert caucus states to primaries Obama wins. Of course you may disagree. Since we are left to yes vs. no arguments we have to agree that line of thought is pretty useless.
Congratulations Obama on this victory tonight!
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 9:02pmBy hufflarry2000 May 20, 2008 - 8:58pm
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By SJerseyIndyMay 20, 2008 - 9:03pmObama is about to win a true swing state:
Oregon
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 9:05pmIf you don't count the republicans that voted Hillary
For operation chaos.
Well Obama is winning popular vote by 200,000.
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By f u bush2May 20, 2008 - 9:13pm