How Big A Let Down Have The Democrats Been?

By DownWithTyranny

Well... alas, pretty big. In the new issue of Rolling Stone Tim Dickinson takes on the Democratic Senate leadership. Below I want to talk anecdotally about some Democratic Party letdowns but first take a look at what ex-Democrat/current independent candidate for Congress, Steve Porter has to say and let's look at some of Dickinson's most salient points. He points out what a shill NY reptile Chuck Schumer has been for crooked billionaire Wall Street operators, "championing one of the biggest tax breaks for billionaires in the history of the republic [as] Democrats in the House fought to close a loophole that levies a tax rate of only 15 percent... on hedge-fund managers who make as much as $3.7 billion a year. But when the debate reached the Senate, Schumer broke with his fellow Democrats and sided with Wall Street-- inspiring the hedge-fund industry to hail him as its 'guardian.'"

Another New York member of Congress, seems to be criticizing Schumer and other Insider Democrats who serve the interests of a very generous plutocracy (generous to their career aspirations that is): Rep. Charles Rangel, who led the hedge-fund tax in the House: "America's middle class have been forgotten. It seems that those with the money have the power." And Harry Reid is backing Schumer and the hedge fund crooks up. Why? They are financing the DSCC, the same way other equally corrupt corporate special interests have financed the NRSC and Bush and the GOP. With power-hungry sleazebags like Schumer (or McConnell for that matter, a kind of Schumer doppelganger in many horrifying ways) in charge do you think effective campaign finance regulations-- taking the billions of dollars pumped into our political system by special interests eager for special consideration-- will ever be enacted? There's only one answer and it has two letters and the first is "no."
According to campaign-finance records, seven of the country's 10 richest hedge-fund managers contributed an average of $24,400 to the DSCC last year. "Schumer didn't want to turn the spigot off," says Bob McIntyre, director of the nonpartisan Citizens for Tax Justice. All told, the hedge-fund and private-equity sectors have showered the Democrats with more than $14 million this year-- double what they have given Republicans.

As the hedge-fund fiasco demonstrates, Democrats have turned the Senate into the chamber where good legislation goes to die. Since regaining the majority in 2006, the Democrats have granted the Bush administration and big telephone companies immunity for illegal wiretapping, declared a branch of the Iranian military a terrorist organization and stuffed the recent Foreclosure Prevention Act with far more goodies for big lenders than for struggling homeowners [$25 billion in corporate welfare-- including, outrageously, billions in tax breaks to speculative home builders who helped create the disastrous housing bubble in the first place-- and only $9 billion for struggling homeowners]. They also confirmed Attorney General Michael Mukasey despite his refusal to disavow torture-- a move engineered by Schumer. "You really want to like the Democrats," says Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. "Then they go and do shit like this."

...The bitter truth in the Senate is that it's not Republicans who are betraying the Democratic agenda-- it's Democrats themselves. "It's not the Congress that's ineffective," says Rangel. "It's not the promises that Nancy Pelosi made. We have passed the courageous bills — but for what? To be told what's 'acceptable' by the Senate." These days, he adds bitterly, "We don't need no House of Representatives. All we need to do is go over and ask the Senate, 'What have you Democrats and Republicans agreed to?'"
But the problem with the Insider Democrats who think they know better than the grassroots isn't just about Harry Reid and the NY Reptile-- and it isn't even only about Republican-lite Blue Dogs conspiring with the GOP to thwart a progressive agenda. House Democrats are always whining that it's the Blue Dogs who hold them back and there is a modicum of truth in that. But then how do you explain the fact that the House Democrats consistently break their own rules to prevent real Democrats from being nominated by throwing DCCC support behind Blue Dogs? Oh, they stopped doing that when Emanuel moved upstairs, you say? Well, Chris Van Hollen promised they would-- but they haven't.

Just yesterday the DCCC violated it's own rules by following John Boehner, Tom Cole and the NRCC down an old Stalinist model for candidate selection, backing a clueless Insider stooge, Ann Kirkpatrick in AZ-01 over a grassroots progressive, Howard Shanker. This thoroughly anti-democratic, old Communist regime way of doing things is working out really badly, even catastrophically, for the Republicans... so why would Van Hollen blunder into it, just when everything has been going so well?

A disgruntled Democrat from Flagstaff, on the DCCC's own website wants to know too:
Why does the DCCC pick before the people of the democratic party?

First you quietly pad Ann Kirkpatrick’s coffers, and then you call her the candidate to beat and offer public support. And all this before the primary. If you @$$holes would stop trying to force a candidate down our throats then we would have turned CD1 blue years ago.

Your “anointed” candidate (which you always seem to choose before the primaries) has lost in the last four elections.

Ever thought of playing fair with your own people before? It might work. Either wait till after the primary to back someone, or give a little bit to everyone who brings in enough petition signatures when qualifying.
And personally, I would set the bar higher than the measly 2500 signatures Ann K. brought in.
In fact all the comments on the DCCC site oppose Van Hollen's decision to morph into an unpleasant combination of Rahm Emanuel, John Boehner and Stalin. Another Arizona commenter: "This is pretty simple: Kirkpatrick is not the strongest democrat in the race. I wish folks at the DCCC had seen a debate or two between Kirkpatrick and Howard Shanker-- there’s no contest here. People on the ground in CD1 know that, but people out in DC don’t. This race is Shanker’s to lose, and all the top-down pressure from the Governor and the DCCC isn’t going to change much. Except maybe increase democrats’ frustration with the party." And another: "Yet another lame election year where the party decides who we should vote for even before we vote. Rick Renzi must have enjoyed having the DCCC in his corner for all those years. He would have faced some stiff competition if you actually took the time to see what the Democrat voters of DC1 wanted. Nobody likes being told who to vote for. Ann Kirkpatrick would make a T-shirt illegal if she does not like what it says. I guess she fits well in the DCC’s 'we’ll think for you' approach to politics."

Please think about that the next time the DCCC send you an e-mail begging for money to elect more Democrats-- never BETTER Democrats, always more Democrats, more Democrats to vote exactly how their Republican opponents would have voted on the issues that matter most.

And it isn't only the Inside the Beltway insiders who are systematically betraying the grassroots. A couple weeks ago former grassroots hero-- though never someone him trusted for 2 seconds-- Governor Tim Kaine of Virginia endorsed a corrupt reactionary, Gerry Connolly, for Congress, over Leslie Byrne, the grassroots progressive. Only 18% of Kaine's own base, Raising Kaine, agreed with his decision; 65% disapproved. (Fortunately, Jim Webb endorsed Leslie-- as did Blue America.

But I'm not just complaining because Leslie is a Blue America candidate. Out in southern New Mexico's sprawling second CD, Blue America hasn't endorsed any candidate, although we have noted that nearly 800 people have gone to ActBlue to donate to the progressive grassroots candidate, Bill McCamley, while only 2 people have donated to Harry Teague. It doesn't matter to Teague, a multimillionaire oilman, who is self-funding. Teague was just endorsed by Governor Bill Richardson, who everyone loves because he endorsed Obama. Predictably Teague is a huge Hillary supporter and has donated tens of thousands of dollars to politicians-- from both parties-- and immense amounts to... Bill Richardson. In fact, Richardson for President, Inc. owes Harry Teague's company-- Lea King LLC-- $203,850.70 for the use of Harry's private jet during the campaign. This currently comprises 64% of his campaign debt. Since the end of February Governor Richardson's Campaign has paid off $103,354.41 or 24.5% of his debt. Not a single penny had been paid to Lea King. (Under FEC regulations a vendor like Lea King may forgive debts owed by a committee if the debt was incurred in the normal course of business, the committee “undertook all reasonable efforts” to raise the funds, and the vendor made “the same efforts to collect the debt as those made to a non-political debtor." It doesn't mention endorsements.) On top of that, Teague's company, Teaco Energy, and its employees have bundled over $30,000 in campaign contributions for Richardson and some of that money may have been provided to the "donors" from Teague himself like a $4,600 contribution from an office assistant; that's illegal.

Democrats want our political leaders to act like Democrats, not like Republicans-- whether it's Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Chris Van Hollen, Rahm Emanuel, Bill Richardson or Tim Kaine. Grassroots Democrats should stop funding the DSCC and DCCC and donate directly to the candidates who they know they can trust. You can count on the Blue America candidates to support the people's interests, not the special interests and party bosses. Should you decide to donate to Leslie Byrne or Howard Shanker or any other of our progressive, grassroots canddiates today, please remember to add one cent to your donation so it counts as a vote in the Air America contest, which ends Monday morning at 6am, PT.

Comments

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Agreed

"Democrats want our political leaders to act like Democrats, not like Republicans-- whether it's Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Chris Van Hollen, Rahm Emanuel, Bill Richardson or Tim Kaine."

Don't forget Hillary Clinton, Diane Feinstein and probably not last, Nancy Pelosi's ridiculous protectionism of this criminal fascist regime..

What DownWithTyranny just pointed out is exactly the Clinton dynasty "legacy" to the Democratic party, but nothing but a nasty stain on the Democratic party to me. These "new kind of Democrats" are simply old kind of Republicans, and they need to be purged from the Democratic party instead of embraced.

These people are everybit the anti-American traitors that those who actually admit to being Republicans are. It's time to take their silver spoons away.

Schumer and Fienstein Made $$ from Iraq War

Both of these snakes made good money from defense industry holdings, etc. from the Iraq war.
Both were only too happy to confirm that lizard Mulkasy as attorney general. Both have failed miserably to represent the people of their districts.

We should always remember how Hillary divided the party

Never forget the damage she has caused by her lust for power. She is responsible for turning voters in two states against Obama when their anger should never have been turned against the candidates themselves.

Shame on her.

The democrats have been disappointing. They have done very little to bring about justice where it was deserved and they tried to force a cheater onto us as the nominee.

John McCain wants to thank Hillary Clinton

For turning voters in two states against Barack Obama.

He wants to know if she will continue campaigning for him.

Hillary won both states anyway.

Obama has no chance of winning MI and FL in Nov. It does not matter.

You're right

It doesn't matter at all.

Oh, and it's PRESIDENT Obama.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Sure it is

just like it was president Mondale and Kerry. Dream on, fool!

WHO'S living a dream?

Total Delegates: Obama 1983 - Clinton 1782 (Obama + 201)
Super Delegates: Obama 324 - Clinton 283 (Obama + 41)
Pledged Delegates: Obama 1659 - Clinton 1499 (Obama + 160)
Popular Vote: Obama 49.1% - Clinton 47.7% (Obama +1.4%)

Are the NUMBERS dreaming too?

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By hufflarry2000 May 31, 2008 - 12:01pm

“You know, it’s clear, this election they’re having [in Michigan] is not going to count for anything.”
-Senator Hillary Clinton, 11 October 2007

It is clear

that it will after the DNC hearings today.

By hufflarry2000 May 31, 2008 - 2:12pm

Accuracy fixxy:

It is clear that Obama will still be the Democratic nominee after the DNC hearing today

Absolutely correct

From the CNN article:

The chairman of Michigan's Democratic Party called on the committee to seat Michigan's delegation in full, with full voting rights, and divide the pledged delegates between Clinton and Obama, 69-59.

...

With no Michigan or Florida delegates included, Obama leads Clinton by 202 delegates. He needs 42 more to clinch the nomination.

So if Michigan gets its wish, it puts Obama over the top by 17 delegates.

Sounds like a good idea to me. Let's go with it.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Maybe

McCain will offer her his VP nod.

Remember what Hillary has done to help McCain

Support her democratic challenger for senator from NY in 2012.

President McCain thanks you

for your support. You handed him the presidency on a silver platter.

By hufflarry2000May 31, 2008 - 12:29pm

I'll pass that on to hillary.

Please relax huff - Obama

Please relax huff - Obama will pick Hillary as his running mate (it's the smart thing to do), and they will be elected. And if we don't get attacked on 1-16 (like I've predicted), they will become our next administration. Hillary and Obama will gravitate to what they each do best - Obama as a spokesman, and Hillary solving the financial and everyday problems behind the scenes. Then Hillary will run for Pres in 2016 and win!

Obama/Clinton 08

Democrats Have Failed on all Fronts

I am so disgusted with the Democratic Leadership, they have offered NOTHING. Do they know there is the need for an Energy Policy, that the Administration should be investigated and charged from top to bottom, that all contractors and the payments need to be scutizied and exposed. It is a bunch of pandering to the Corporate elite to say " we can't pass anything, our majority is too small". They should be forcing the issues out into the open everyday, and let the American People see that solutions are blocked by the Republicans, and name them each and every night on the News. Everyday there should be a major push for an agenda item. Don't sit an do NOTHING. This is the worst do nothing Congress in History.
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Clinton is the Mondale and Kerry of 2008

After 2012 she won't even be senator.

You keep thinking that

the rest of us will live in reality.

Huff,

She will not get the 2008 nomination without cheating in some way.

Her divisiveness means she will not even get the time of day from Party leaders in 2012 against President McCain.

You should live in the real world.

I live in the real world

If Obama gets the nomination, McCain is president. Most Dems want to win. But if Dems win, that puts blogbob out of business. It is better for you to elect McCain so that you can continue your incoherent bloging day after day, week after week....

You've rejected reality and substituted your own delusions

The majority of reputable polls show McCain LOSING to either Democratic candidate. And after the DNC decision of yesterday, we know which candidate he'll be facing.

Start practicing now, you'll need it for the next eight years: PRESIDENT OBAMA.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

What reality is that?

The one painted on the inside of your Clintonista-issue blinders?

Time for another reminder...

Total Delegates: Obama 1983 - Clinton 1782 (Obama + 201)
Super Delegates: Obama 324 - Clinton 283 (Obama + 41)
Pledged Delegates: Obama 1659 - Clinton 1499 (Obama + 160)
Popular Vote: Obama 49.1% - Clinton 47.7% (Obama +1.4%)

She can't get any electoral votes if she isn't nominated. And there's no way she can be nominated, not without poisoning the ballots at the convention in Denver.

Clinton says she should be President because her skills, knowledge and experience are so well-known. Obama says HE should be President...because Clinton's skills, knowledge and experience are so well-known!

Hillary has more votes than Obama

She beats McCain in Nov. Obama loses. There is still a chance that she gets the nomination so Dems can win.

Stop swilling that g0p Kook-Aid and pay attention

Clinton vs. McCain:
(Poll, poll date, sample base, percentages, leader...I hate not being able to write tables in here)
Rasmussen Tracking 05/27 - 05/30 1600 LV 44 47 McCain +3.0
Gallup Tracking 05/24 - 05/29 4368 RV 47 45 Clinton +2.0
Pew Research 05/21 - 05/25 1242 RV 48 44 Clinton +4.0
Newsweek 05/21 - 05/22 1205 RV 48 44 Clinton +4.0
Reuters/Zogby 05/15 - 05/18 1076 LV 43 43 Tie

Obama vs. McCain:
Rasmussen Tracking 05/27 - 05/30 1600 LV 43 46 McCain +3.0
Gallup Tracking 05/24 - 05/29 4368 RV 46 45 Obama +1.0
Pew Research 05/21 - 05/25 1242 RV 47 44 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 05/21 - 05/22 1205 RV 46 46 Tie
Reuters/Zogby 05/15 - 05/18 1076 LV 48 40 Obama +8.0

Go right ahead and vote for McCain if you wish...you've already proven your track record of picking losers.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

My track record of losers?

Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry were great presidents. Who is the only Dem to win in 28 years? CLINTON! Now you will be electing McCain. You dont want to ruin your losing streak. Fucking libtards.

Pssst....

...she LOST.

QED.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

Obama has the will of the people

That includes states with primaries and caucuses.

Now if Clinton would stop being so divisive...

She won't. She is selfish and power hungry.

Just a point of fact.

I know it is popular to bash Clinton and her voting record, but let's not forget that Obama's voting record in the Senate is almost exactly the same as hers. So if you want to accuse her of voting with the republicans, then you also have to say the same for Obama. Let's also take note the Obama claims to be the true Anti-War candidate, yet has voted to approve all the funding bills for it. If he was truly against the war, why vote to keep funding it? Obama, Clinton or McCain, do we really think that anything in Washington is going to change? This government will still be run by the big money people and it will be their interest that gets priority. Not until the common man rises up and takes this country back from the top 10%, will we have a real chance at true change.

Vote Edwards in 2008!

How quaint!

Votes do count. MI and FL will be seated according to election results. Go Hillary

I have come to terms with having McCain as president. Thanks libtards for assuring another defeat for America. You must be so proud!

By hufflarry2000May 31, 2008 - 7:23pm

Harold Ickes wasn't very happy with the results. He stomped his little feet & threw a tantrum there at the end.

Join Harry in realizing that it's over. Time for Mittary to crawl away with her tail between her legs.

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Mr Ickes got exactly what he wanted on Sat...

...don't be fooled.

They may say they're upset but it wasn't ever about seating delegates....it was about counting the Michigan vote so they can claim (semi-legitimately now) that Hillary won the popular vote.

They never were going to pick up enough delegates to beat Obama but now (they believe) they can make the popular vote argument. Anybody who listened to Mr Ickes on Meet the Press would have picked up on his gist and Terry McBig mouth basically parrotted the same line. Hillary beat Obama in the popular vote!

Truth be told...they now have a claim since the DNC awarded delegates for that primary.

I think it's bullshit since Obama wasn't even on the ballot but there it is....their objective all along and their AMMO to keep the fight going till the convention.

It's over for Dems alright

private Guy Fawkes.

So Obama is finally leaving

So Obama is finally leaving his precious, hate filled church, what the hell took so damn long?

Oh yeah, disappointed by the dems? Not at all, it's exactly what I expect of them and it's exactly what people do when they are obsessed only with power. Why would you be disappointed with your congress? They got a couple of post offices named, is that worth nothing? And your primaries, they are classic! No matter who wins your primary half of your party will view their win as exactly what it is, illegitimate. One has to throw away the votes of hundreds of thousands in order to win, the other has to cheat, bravo dems, way to toss a sure thing right into the crapper!

Hillary would have beat the crap out of you

right wing nuts. You can thank the libtards for the Obama sacrifice. They nominate the only candidate who cant win. Again. As always. Go Dukakis!

Oh, look! A distraction!

Start practicing now, you'll be saying it for the next eight years...PRESIDENT OBAMA.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John
Kenneth Galbraith

Oh, but he's a MUSLIM,

Oh, but he's a MUSLIM, right?? Even though he was a member of a CHRISTIAN, allbeit enthusiastic, church for 20 years. Hmmm . . . can't have it BOTH ways. How about telling us what church bush baby was a member of for the last 20 years? Oh yeah - you CAN'T, haha - since he was not a member of a church.

Obama/Clinton 08

mccain doesn't stand a chance

Obama has the numbers to beat mcc WITHOUT a single Clinton vote in his corner. This is the beauty & timing of the failure of the conservative movement. The mcain mutiny is feeding the extended democrat party lovefest. "We have nothing to fear, but damage from wanton laughter itself " --aaazzz111

So Obama wins without

any Hillary voters.? President McCain thanks you for your support. Fucking libtard losers.

JPL

Relax huff, Hill beats mcain in the numbers too. This race is headed for the twilight zone. Stick around. Hillary's far from chop liver. HEY! Looks like ice on Mars....

Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UA.

By dewbie dubaiMay 31, 2008 - 11:40pm

This race is headed for the twilight zone.

Damn, huff's gonna get the inside scoop on this election because he's already in the Hillbot Zone.

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Hillary beats McCain easily

Obama loses badly to McCain. I know it is not over. No way the Dems nominate another loser. I have faith in Hillary.

By hufflarry2000May 31, 2008 - 11:50pm

She's done. Here comes the fork, Magic Moron.

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Et tu Bruti?

Another veiled candidate "drop" hint, eh? Or maybe a fork in the road....

By Guy Fawkes June 1, 2008 - 12:06am

She'll be seeing you in August, for the forking.

But I'll be seeing you on Monday night.

That is, if I can get me some net access while down in The Keys...
____________________
The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
Obama / Sebelius '08

By SJerseyIndyJune 1, 2008 - 12:42am

Stop lying! Stop listening to the drug addict that tells you the Deadwings are going to win. You can't afford to travel to the Keys when you're going to wind up owing your brother money.

Pens in 7.

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By Guy Fawkes June 1, 2008 - 2:12am

Pens in 7.
---------------------------
Frolicking in Delusion Land, I see.
There's no way The Pens take it from us at home.
Looks like I'll be gettin' a new Stevie Y jersey from the younger bro... booyah!
____________________
The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
Obama / Sebelius '08

Now that she can't win

Will the super delegates please come out and end this?

The Obama/McCain race is just heating up.

It is over

Your dream of pres McCain comes true.

Stop lying!

The latest Bloomberg polls have Obama up 99% to 1%. You've been listening to the drug addict again.

There is a 99% chance

you will be a one stripe private. Gramps thanx

whatever

Bill Clinton: Seat Half The Delegates

Bill Clinton At Private Fundraiser In April: Seat Half The Delegates
Huffington Post | May 31, 2008 02:35 PM

On Saturday a video surfaced on YouTube containing an audio recording of Bill Clinton from a private fundraiser said to have been held on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 in North Carolina in which he discusses the Michigan and Florida delegate situation. After delivering an explanation of how the delegate deadlock came to be, Clinton concludes by saying, "probably the only option is to seat them under our rules, as half delegates." This is significant in that the Clinton campaign has publicly insisted, right up until the DNC meeting today, that it wanted each delegate restored in full.

Audio of the quote at the link.

Hillary would never win

Its a good thing she lost the nomination.

penis, penis, penis breath

Time To Wake Up and Smell the Coffee

Dream:

mccain doesn't stand a chance new
Obama has the numbers to beat mcc WITHOUT a single Clinton vote in his corner. This is the beauty & timing of the failure of the conservative movement. The mcain mutiny is feeding the extended democrat party lovefest. "We have nothing to fear, but damage from wanton laughter itself " --aaazzz111

reply Email this page By dewbie dubaiMay 31, 2008 - 8:49pm

Fact:

Excerpts:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that John McCain attracting 46% of the vote nationwide while Barack Obama earns 43%. This marks the fifth straight day that McCain has enjoyed at least a three-point advantage over Obama...

McCain is viewed favorably by 52% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 46%. Those figures include 19% with a Very Favorable opinion of the Republican hopeful and 23% with a Very Unfavorable opinion.

Obama’s numbers are 45% favorable and 53% unfavorable (see recent daily ratings). Those figures represent Obama’s lowest ratings of the year. His favorability ratings peaked at 56% in mid-February. Twenty-five percent (25%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Obama while 37% have a Very Unfavorable view.

Voters see McCain as the candidate most likely to reach across party lines and work effectively with both Republicans and Democrats.

On the question of voter trust, McCain retains a slight edge over Obama when it comes to the economy and the War in Iraq. The GOP candidate holds a wide edge on National Security issues...

So, how accurate is the Rasmussen pole, in terms of predicting the current state of the election?

Excerpt:

FiveThirtyEight.com has taken the time to review polling data and election results from the last eight years and rank more than 30 of the nation’s polling firms and organizations. While there is much more to polling than being closest to the mark with your final numbers, the results are interesting. Rasmussen Reports is ranked number three on the list.

By SheddJune 1, 2008 - 1:56am

Shedd still likes the "pole"

By f u bush2June 1, 2008 - 2:00am

Nice catch, I missed his little Freudian slip that time. :-)

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By skeety-pooJune 1, 2008 - 1:56am

Wow. The fifth straight day of an "advantage", within the margin of error, 6 months from the election.
Keep stretching, Mr.Armstrong.

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As much as I despise this evil known as shedd

he is right. McCain wins against Obama in a landslide. Thankyou libtards. Hillary may still save the party from a crushing defeat, maybe.

www.electoral-vote.com

If either of you were correct I'd agree with you

Unfortunately, the FACTS prove you both wrong...as usual.

Poll, poll date, sample base, percentage, leader:
Rasmussen Tracking 05/27 - 05/30 1600 LV Obama 43 McCain 46 McCain +3.0
Gallup Tracking 05/24 - 05/29 4368 RV Obama 46 McCain 45 Obama +1.0
Pew Research 05/21 - 05/25 1242 RV Obama 47 McCain 44 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 05/21 - 05/22 1205 RV Obama 46 McCain 46 Tie
Reuters/Zogby 05/15 - 05/18 1076 LV Obama 48 McCain 40 Obama +8.0

Rasmussen Tracking 05/27 - 05/30 1600 LV Clinton 44 McCain 47 McCain +3.0
Gallup Tracking 05/24 - 05/29 4368 RV Clinton 47 McCain 45 Clinton +2.0
Pew Research 05/21 - 05/25 1242 RV Clinton 48 McCain 44 Clinton +4.0
Newsweek 05/21 - 05/22 1205 RV Clinton 48 McCain 44 Clinton +4.0
Reuters/Zogby 05/15 - 05/18 1076 LV Clinton 43 McCain 43 Tie

Any way you slice it, McCain's out. And with the DNC decision yesterday to seat the entire delegations of Florida and Michigan with half-votes, it puts Obama over the top and locks him into the nomination.

Let the real campaigning begin.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By hufflarry2000 June 1, 2008 - 2:35am

If Obama loses to McCain, it will be a result of nothing more or less than the damage done to him by your candidate and her lunatic menopausal supporters who have pledged to vote for McCain because they'd rather see their uteruses become the property of the government than ever vote for that nigger who had the audacity to challenge Hillary for what she was entitled to...and beat her.

To put it bluntly...
____________________
The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
Obama / Sebelius '08

Obama gellin'--Mcbush smellin'---thank McClellan

Don't need Carnegie Mellon for the tellin'--Obama gellin'--Mcbush smellin'---thank McClellan

"We have nothing to fear, but damage from wanton laughter itself " --aaazzz111

To independent voters a HUGE disappointment...

And the party would be foolish to think they can count on those votes this year. There's a real feeling across the nation to toss out the incumbents.

As the seed is planted so grows the tree

Impeachment is not off the table

McClellan to testify before Congress

I'm so sick of constant disasters from Bush

If Clinton had become president it would have been more disasters.

I'm tired of having so much to bitch about.

I'm glad Obama will be in office next.

The main point is which candidate will bring the G0P slugs

to account. Who, one wonders, will summon the guillotines and gallows. Without retribution the nation will continue its rapid slide.

The tumbrels roll, trees sigh at the gentlest breeze. The dull blade of "Trickle Down" rattles in its race.

Well the democratic voters haven't been a let down

They didn't choose a candidate sure to lose in November....

No Road Map for Democrats as Race Ends
By ADAM NAGOURNEY, CARL HULSE and JEFF ZELENY
Published: June 1, 2008

Still, despite the fireworks, Mrs. Clinton’s associates said she seemed to have come to terms over the last week with the near certainty that she would not win the nomination, even as she continued to assert, with what one associate described as subdued resignation, that the Democrats are making a mistake in sending Mr. Obama up against Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.

Her associates said the most likely outcome was that she would end her bid with a speech, probably back home in New York, in which she would endorse Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton herself suggested on Friday that the contest would end sometime next week.

Self fulfilling prophecy

The Clinton supporters are running around saying McCain will be elected because Obama is the nominee. Well the only chance of that is if these people fulfill their prophecy by not going out to vote because they think McCain has won already.

Well here is another prophecy that will definitely come to pass if two events occur:
1. Obama loses due to poor turn out from Clinton supporters.
2. Clinton tries to run again in 2012

If those two things happen it will be clear what is going on and there will be a long term rift in the party. Possibly two parties will emerge that will elect congressman but fail to elect a president for decades.

If Hillary supporters do not show up and then put her up for nomination in 4 years she doesn't stand a chance. And neither will any democratic nominee for a long time to come.

Obama and Hillary should step aside, for the good of the party--

Obama and Hillary should step aside, for the good of the party--and both throw their combined unilateral support for Edwards. Edwards can pick one for VP, and the other can either accept the Secretary of State position, or voluntarily resign as a Democrat, and make a third party run in November. There's still time for that.

Back to the blog post topic

Back to the blog post topic - I wonder who else heard Rachel Maddow's conversation w/ David Sirota the other day. Sirota discussed the 'permanent barrier'(if that's the correct term) of the Senate & how it was actually established to be such.

& I also think about how Al Franken used to talk to Schumer regularly - & seemed to hold him in high regard - wondering if his opinion is different now?

The Maddow/Sirota interview was excellent - check it out, if you haven't heard it yet.