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Code: Pink! Bailout Protest in New York

By Beau Friedlander
Flickr: Creative Commons by IntangibleArts

At four o' clock this afternoon in New York City's oldest park, Bowling Green, the activist group Code Pink Woman for Peace hopes hundreds of Americans will come on down to pile their trash at Wall Street: "No Cash for Trash" is their clarion call.

The group is protesting the proposed government bailout that would earmark $700 billion of taxpayer dough to bail out banks that caused "the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression."

Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans came by the Air America offices yesterday to talk to Laura Flanders on Grit TV. She visited the newsroom on her way out. "We want people to bring their 8-track tape collection, high-school yearbooks, Grampa's old recliner, and that snow globe from Great Adventure theme park," she said. 

Other items Evans suggested: mortgage statements and student loan invoices. "We want Paulson to bail us out, too!"

Code Pink contends that Paulson's plain will only "save George W. Bush's cronies on Wall Street, the same people who created America's financial crisis and helped fund war and violation of rights."

"This is a financial Sept. 11," said Jodie Evans.  "Just like the White House used that moment of shock to institute abusive surveillance and policing powers under the Patriot Act, it's trying to use this economic meltdown to lavish taxpayer money on the same banks that made obscene profits off shady mortgage industry practices. And true to form, the Bush administration proposed giving itself vast new powers, this time over the economy, with absolutely no oversight."

It's a good time to clean out your closet (if you happen to be in New York City). Organize a junk pile in your neighborhood. Tell Paulson we need a little more information before we hand over a blank check to the very same people who caused the crisis. 

Comments

(101)

Just buy it!

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I think if they follow Obama's eight point plan, it might not be such a disaster.

Some of the things he outlined included:

No golden parachutes

Profit goes back to the taxpayers

Oversight

True, Paulson did submit a three page document that not only excluded oversight, but also said he couldn't be held accountable if this mess doesn't work out.

That's the thing to understand about politics. When something is first submitted, it is a wish list of what you "hope" to get. Once it's been submitted, the real work begins. You know, negotiation, study and compromise?

As children of privilege and wealth, people such as Bush and McCain don't understand these things. They don't "get it". They never had to really work and achieve based on personal merits. It’s not a slam; it’s just the way it is. They want something, they buy it.

By deanrddSeptember 25, 2008 - 12:00pm

Fuck code pink, they're just

Fuck code pink, they're just trying to remain relevant.

Fuck Algore too.

http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE48N7AA20080924

Gore urges civil disobedience to stop coal plants

Oh, but only from young people says Algore. Why only young people Algore? Oh, because people like Algore can't be bothered to practice what they preach! Moments after the interview Algore hopped on his private jet and yelled "Algore AWAYYYYYYY" upon takeoff.

Damn, I'm glad W. whipped his ass in 2000!

By notjfroggSeptember 25, 2008 - 12:24pm

Bush is a hero

Me, too. Otherwise, we wouldn't have been able to build a fundamentalist Islamic government that has written "Islam" into their constitution as the "national religion". We wouldn't have been able to support them in decimating their own Christian population. Oh those pesky Christians. Once we are gone, the good peole of Iraq will finally be able to finish the job and get rid of those pests.

And all because of us. So be proud at what Bush has done for this country and for the hard core Islamic fundmentalists of Iraq..

By deanrddSeptember 25, 2008 - 12:52pm

Again, you show you are againstt

Iraqi self determination. So, by your post, you believe we should "install" a puppet regime in Iraq, instead of letting them choose their own form of government. You really suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 1:15pm

News flash for hatey....we installed a puppet regime in Iraq

years ago. When they chose a president we didn't like, we let them know about it, and they chose someone we approved of, Maliki. When they objected to walls going up in Baghdad to produce sectarian divides, we told them it was going to happen anyway, and they backed down. When they tell us over and over again that they want us to leave, we stay anyway. They've got more puppets in their government than there are Muppets!

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

By UffdaguySeptember 25, 2008 - 1:21pm

I suggest you take your argument

to deandd. He apparently disagrees with your assessment.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 1:29pm

I suggest you look up the definition of "sarcasm" in the

dictionary, as that was the tone of dean's post.

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

By UffdaguySeptember 25, 2008 - 1:55pm

By notjfroggSeptember 25, 2008 - 1:24pm

That's what is great about you. You stay in line and never cause trouble.

Keep doing what your betters tell you and you will be free.

LOL

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:05pm

Pffft!... Jackass.


"Damn, I'm glad W. whipped his ass in 2000!"

Yeah, that was quite the ass whipping.

All it took was for Dubya to:

1) LOSE the popular vote BY HALF A MILLION VOTES!

2) Have the head of his Florida campaign arbitrarily stop the vote count (the Florida State Attorney General was Dubyas Florida campaign chief??!!... NOPE!... NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE, EH??!!)

3) Have the Supreme Court (stacked with right-wing KOOKS like Scalia and Thomas) appoint him president.

Yeah, that was quite an ass whipping... Not exactly Ali-Frazier, now was it?

By A GSeptember 25, 2008 - 1:18pm

You are a liar, AG

The United States Supreme Court found, by a 7 to 2 vote, that Florida changed the rules after the election, by selecting primarily democratic counties for the recount, instead of the entire state. That is an historical fact that you are well aware of. Which makes your post propaganda, and shows, unequivocally, that you are willing to lie to further your Neo-Com agenda.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 1:26pm

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:26pm

Spammer you posted more irrelevance.

Weren't you on this board mocking Edwards' Hair Cut a while back?

You've got nothing spammer. Get off our board banned one.

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:32pm

I love it when you play "make-believe".


That is, I love it when you make believe you're not a dunce.

That's not what the ruling you refer to said at all. You're not even close, shitbag.

Shall I explain it to you??

The final 7-2 SCOTUS ruling said that because different counties used differing local standards in evaluating the ballots, it violated the 14th Amendment "equal protection clause". However, that could have been remedied, had they been interested in having all the votes counted.

It was actually a seperate 5-4 ruling that simply shut down the recount and thereby APPOINTED Governor Shit-For-Brains President... and MY, OH MY, what a presidency it has been... WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

Any way you cut it, shitbag, the Florida Supreme Court wanted all votes counted and Scalia wanted Bush as President.

Shit... the SCOTUS didn't even have jurisdiction and said as much in their opinion... and they had the fucking BALLS to talk about violating the constitution.

I stand by my statements.

P.S. Normally I would take offense at being called a liar. However, since I have no more regard for you than the dog shit I might scrape off my shoe, I couldn't care less.

... even as a troll, you're lame.

By A GSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:07pm

Yeah Yeah Yeah.

Who decided to only count democratic counties in the first place? You're stuck on stupid, dude.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:25pm

Blow me.

.

By A GSeptember 25, 2008 - 4:18pm

Now, now.

If you want a bj, I suggest talk to pookie, or roadgoddess.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 4:43pm

Never mind.

Your mother took care of me.

It's better with women who have no teeth.

By A GSeptember 25, 2008 - 7:09pm

Childish childish childish

I guess you would know.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 8:42pm

Look at yourself and the drivel you post.


... and you call ME childish.

Blow it out your ass. You're a punk.

By A GSeptember 26, 2008 - 7:38am

Maybe if the RepubliCANTs hadn't been so adamant

...in NOT getting Democratic counties recounted, SCOTUS wouldn't have stepped in and appointed Cowboy-hat Oathbreaker to the White House.

Why were the RepubliCANTs so afraid of a full recount, anyway? Maybe because it would have shown, without any doubt, that the Oathbreaker actually LOST?

Go back to playing with your Caribou Barbie doll, racist. You've shown up for a battle of wits, and you're completely unarmed.

Obama/Biden '08: the cure for electile dysfunction.

By nonexistent manSeptember 28, 2008 - 4:56pm

On their worst day those women are more relevant

Than you will ever be, you orangutang.

By thaelmann37September 26, 2008 - 6:53am

Free Market aborted

What's the wager on this cash being sent offshore at the speed of light?

The "Trickle Down" bailout fouls the nation.

By RobespierreSeptember 25, 2008 - 12:52pm

Apperantly you don't agree with what the Democratic controlled

congress has done. Maybe you should voice your displeasure by sending Reid and Peloisi your resignation from the democratic party.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 1:19pm

This is like the keating 5 all over again

And thank you code pink.

There is no debate as to whether we should bail out these firms. The debate is how to go about it.

When it comes to social programs for the little guy, it's all talking points from the right about tax and spend (while disregarding the massive spending of republicans in general) and a push for programs from the right. When we get these programs, the fight is often to get anything at all and what results is not ideal.

Now jump to the social programs for CEO's. We have no debate between parties about the bail out in terms of should we or shouldn't we. No. What we have is how much and what are the terms?

There is no representation for people who think the bail out should not occur.

Thank you code pink for getting out there and protesting. If we had more like you we wouldn't be in this mess.

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:04pm

Code Pink?

Bunch of nuts. Exactly what economic expertise do they have?

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 1:12pm

They couldn't POSSIBLY have LESS than Bush, who

ran every company he ran into the ground...or McCain, who worked tirelessly to eliminate regulations so we could have the unprecedented disaster we have today...or SC repub senator Jim DeMint, who proclaimed that the way to solve this problem is to cut personal and business taxes and eliminate even more regulations.

Compared to economic "geniuses" like that, how can ANYONE look worse?

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

By UffdaguySeptember 25, 2008 - 1:18pm

McCain won't show. He's yellow

Obama Will Make Debate A Townhall If McCain Doesn't Show
September 25, 2008 11:45 AM
Sam Stein

Barack Obama is committed to hosting a public, televised event Friday night in Mississippi even if John McCain does not show up, an official close to the Obama campaign tells the Huffington Post.

In McCain's absence, the Senator is willing to make the scheduled debate a townhall meeting, a one-on-one interview with NewsHour's Jim Lehrer, or the combination of the two, the official said.

...

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:17pm

Bush explains how he has ruined the economy

"Without immediate action by Congress, American could slip into a financial panic and a distressing scenario would unfold. Ultimately, our country could experience a long and painful recession."
-George Bush

Basically Bush is admitting what a mess he has made and that he needs congress to bail him out.

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:19pm

Ted Stevens defense team calls Stevens a man of honesty

Can they be charged with perjury?

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:23pm

Perjury? Hell, they have been invited to join the McCain

campaign!!!!

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

By UffdaguySeptember 25, 2008 - 1:25pm

By UffdaguySeptember 25, 2008 - 2:25pm

Sadly that is the truth.

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 2:00pm

Round-up of Daily Violence - Wednesday 24 September 2008

Round-up of Daily Violence - Wednesday 24 September 2008

Baghdad

- A roadside bomb targeted an American patrol in Fudhailiyah neighborhood (east Baghdad) around 7 a.m. Seven Iraqi people were injured while no casualties were reported on the American side.

- Gunmen opened fire on Abdul Karim Hussein’s car, the brigadier general in the ministry of interior. Abdul Karim was wounded with his driver and another person.

- A bomb planted under a civilian car detonated near an army check point in Shaab neighborhood (north Baghdad). One person was killed (the driver) and five other people were wounded.

- Police found one dead body in Ur neighborhood in eastern Baghdad today.

Mosul

- A roadside bomb targeted an army patrol in Hadba neighborhood in Mosul city. Two soldiers were wounded.

Diyala

- At dawn, a guard for a kindergarten school was killed by gunmen in Abara village (5 miles north of Baquba). His body was found later near the school.

- Around 11:45 am, gunmen opened fire on the international police while the latter were in a raid in Al-Rasool village of Khan Bani Saad (15 miles south of Baquba). One policeman was killed and another was wounded.

- Gunmen killed 12 national policemen and eight Sahwa members in an ambush in Dulaimiyat village of Khan Bani Saad (south of Baquba) around 4:30 p.m. Three high rank officers were among those who were killed.

- A roadside bomb targeted a police patrol in Sadiyah town (47 miles east Baquba). Three policemen were injured.

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:35pm

Al Qaida gunmen kill dozens of Iraqi policemen in Diyala provinc

Al Qaida gunmen kill dozens of Iraqi policemen in Diyala province
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008
By Corinne Reilly and Hussein Kadhim | McClatchy Newspapers

BAGHDAD — Gunmen thought to be affiliated with Al Qaida in Iraq ambushed and killed 27 Iraqi policemen and eight anti-Qaida fighters near Baqouba on Wednesday, police and hospital officials said.

Among those killed were three high-ranking officers whom gunmen captured and executed, officials said. Four other policemen were injured.

The ambush took place Wednesday afternoon as an Iraqi police battalion of about 300, along with a group of anti-Qaida fighters, patrolled a village south of Khan Bani Saad in Diyala province, 15 miles south of Baqouba.

Police said the battalion entered the village thinking it was safe because the area had recently been raided and cleared.

But soon after the battalion arrived, the gunmen opened fire in a wooded area. It's unclear how many attackers were involved. None of them was killed, officials said.

...

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:36pm

That couldn't possibly be the same Diyala province where

Maliki's shiite government is busy arresting members of the Sunni Awakening, the group we paid to go after Al Qaeda, could it? A resurgence of Al Qaeda in a place where the group that got them under control is now being eliminated by the government? Defies all logic, doesn't it?

Truth is whatever you can get other people to believe - Tom Smothers

By UffdaguySeptember 25, 2008 - 1:58pm

By UffdaguySeptember 25, 2008 - 2:58pm

I do believe it is.

I wonder if this $700 billion will cut into the bribe money keeping the peace in Iraq?

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:59pm

naw,

the economy is fundamentally strong, we can spend tens or hundreds of billions, even trillions in all these diverse wastes with no ramifications. because we have no intentions of paying it back.

By commiecakesSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:13pm

Murtha to be sued by Marine.

Sep 24, 2008 11:53 pm US/Eastern
Marine Plans To File Slander Suit Against Murtha
WASHINGTON, PA (KDKA) ― A local Marine cleared in the deaths of civilians in Iraq says Congressman John Murtha made public comments that were unproven, untrue and unfair.

Now, Lance Corporal Justin Sharratt is planning to file suit in federal court against Murtha on Thursday morning.

The suit accuses the congressman of slander and violating the Marine's right to a fair trial and due process.

Sharratt was one of eight Marines charged after 24 Iraqi civilians were killed in Haditha. He was charged with three counts of unpremeditated murder.

It's alleged in the lawsuit that before the outcome of the case, Congressman Murtha made slanderous comments.

Three years after the deaths, seven of eight Marines have been cleared, including Sharratt. There's now a website, JustinSharratt.com, to let the world know that he has been cleared.

The eighth Marine is still waiting for his day in court.

KDKA contacted Murtha's office for comment on this suit but there's no word back from them yet.

(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 1:52pm

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:52pm

That murderer's suit is going to get thrown out with the quickness.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

By Guy FawkesSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:29pm

He was exonerated in a court of law

which matters not to you Neo-Coms, who feel convicting one in the court of public opinion is sufficient enough to warrant a public hanging.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:37pm

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 3:37pm

Although this was a court-martial & not a criminal court case, I must point out that OJ was exonerated of his murders, too. It's too bad that there's not a civil court that the families of Justin's civilian victims can take him to.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

By Guy FawkesSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:50pm

He was exonerated in a court of law

the same ones that allow this gitmo and torture bullshit to proceed? who cares, do whatever the fuck you want for the next fourty days. this is the end of your kind. we are establishing something here that will punt kick your marginalized band of nazis the fuck out of america. so, fuck off and die.

By commiecakesSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:51pm

Hey commie:

You will not be establishing a communist state in this nation. Sorry, but you support a failed ideology, that, for your information, routinely tortures and murders it own citizens. Every country flying the commie flag has that as its history. Oh, I get it. You are so deluded that you believe it will be different this time. How pathetic.

By momofukuSeptember 25, 2008 - 3:45pm

And the capitalist nations do not have blood on their hands?

If bodycounts are your yardstick for failure, maybe you should see how many people were killed by the capitalist state during the English Rvolution of the 1640's or the French Revolution of the 1790's.
How about colonialism? The Slave Trade? The list of atrocities is endless.
A friend of mine once compared the bloodshed that occurred in communist countries to that inflicted by capitalism to a plane crash and a year of auto accidents. The plane crash gets the headlines even though the car crashes kill more people.
Besides, that " failed ideology" seems to be doing quite well in South America.

By thaelmann37September 26, 2008 - 11:31am

Dude, I can't believe you waste your breath...


I can't believe you waste keystrokes on assholes like this.

McCain and McMilf are DAZED, on the ropes, and going down.

GO IN FOR THE KILL.

DON'T BE DISTRACTED.

By A GSeptember 26, 2008 - 4:28pm

So, justifing bad behavior by citing other bad behavior?

The english revolution was not about capitalism, but more about abolishing the feudal system, as was the french revolution.
Whats the difference Japanese colonialism, Indian colonialism, Chinese colonialism, hell, colonialism as practiced through out history? None had anything to do capitalism, did they?
The slave trade had nothing to do with capitalism, per se. It started thousands of years ago, and only ended when the capitalistic western world outlawed it.

The big difference with communism, is that when the revolution is won, communists countries have a tendency to rape, torture, and murder their own citizens. Question: Why do communist countries not allow freedom of movement within their own borders? Why do they have a tendency not to let their own citizens travel to other countries, freely?

By momofukuSeptember 27, 2008 - 1:02pm

Wow...did YOU just open a can of worms on yourself...

Why do communist countries not allow freedom of movement within their own borders? Why do they have a tendency not to let their own citizens travel to other countries, freely?

Lessee...

RFID chips in passports.

Passports now required for travel to and from Mexico, Canada and most Caribbean countries.

The (misnamed) "REAL-ID" Act.

Need I continue here?

Papers, please?

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manSeptember 27, 2008 - 1:18pm

You make no sense.

Berlin wall? Cuba? China? Vietnam?
What is your point about passports? You don't need permission to leave this country. You don't need permission to leave any western country. You don't need permission to move from state to state.
Real id act? What about it?

By momofukuSeptember 27, 2008 - 1:29pm

You have your blinders on.

When was the last time you tried going to Canada? Or Mexico? Or any Caribbean country?

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html

Do try to pay attention.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manSeptember 27, 2008 - 2:13pm

You don't need a passport to leave the country.

You need a passport to enter another country, or to return to this country. You don't get shot for trying to leave here. You do in communist countries, or at least that is the tendency. Or at least you are jailed if caught.

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 8:33am

How, exactly

...does one enter another country without first leaving this one?

Or perhaps you'd prefer to become the "man without a country" spoken of in classic literature. All you'd have to do is leave the country without a passport, then attempt to get back in.

Ever hear of this strange and wonderful thing called "logic"? It's quite useful. Try it sometime, racist.

You can't shake the devil's hand then say you're only kidding. ~~~TMBG

By nonexistent manSeptember 28, 2008 - 1:50pm

give me a break

Thats a circular argument and you know it. We do not need permission to leave this country. We do not get shot for leaving this country. We are not jailed for leaving this country. A passport is needed to enter other countries. That is by international law. And thats right. We as a country have the right to know who is entering this country. Its called the passport system.

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 2:40pm

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 3:40pm

Get off of our blog, shit for brains.

Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.

By Guy FawkesSeptember 28, 2008 - 3:22pm

I keep trying to corral him onto one thread

but he keeps wandering off.

By thaelmann37September 28, 2008 - 3:30pm

You opened the door

...so you get to deal with whatever comes through it.

Try this on for size. Before the horrendously-misnamed "PATRIOT Act", US citizens could enter and leave Canada with nothing more than a driver's license or photocopy of their birth certificate. Border crossings took less than 30 seconds, and usually involved checking said driver's license for validity and warrants through the law-enforcement database. Canadians could enter and leave the US exactly the same way. Customs and Immigration knew who was entering and leaving at any given time, whether they had a criminal record (which, under Canadian law, bars a US citizen from entering Canada for any reason), and where they were going.

The only difference in requiring a passport is that people wanting to cross the border must now pay the government $75 or so for the privilege, and pay it again every 10 years. And border crossings now take an average of three minutes while passport data is cross-referenced with said law-enforcement databases. Guess what, Skippy: same results, more bureacracy. So much for the RepubliCANT "smaller government" talking point.

I now hold three, count 'em, three Federal identification documents, all of which are required for my job. Total cost out of my own pocket: $320. That was just so I could GET my job. My employer will pay to renew any or all of them when the time comes ($75 every 10 years, another $245 every five years), but I still had to pony up to get started. Ten years ago, my cost would have been $215 up front, $75 every 10 years, and $140 every five years. What has it gained the US in terms of security? NOTHING.

Next time, trot your bullshit out in front of someone who doesn't have a clue. You know, like a fellow racist RepubliCANT.

If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith

By nonexistent manSeptember 28, 2008 - 4:53pm

Goddamn momo, you are ignorant.

Allright, genius, which system abolished feudalism? The rise of the buorgeosie had nothing to do with it, right?
You really need to get a grasp on economics and history before I can have a rational conversation with you.

By thaelmann37September 27, 2008 - 3:27pm

Yeah, it had a lot to do with it. What you fail to realize is

that times then are not times now. Every system is flawed. Some more so than others. My point is that communism is flawed much more than capitalism. And countries that adopt that system have a tendency of brutalizing its citizens, much more than democracies do. Democracy (political) and capitalism (economic) work together to form a whole, while communism tries to be both. One is based on the worth of the individual, while the other is based on the collective. One works, one doesn't. One has correctable flaws, one has uncorrectable flaws.

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 8:31am

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 9:31am

You are flawed spammer.

Get off our board. You were banned.

By f u bush2September 28, 2008 - 8:47am

All you ever do is post spam on this board, fubush.

Get a life. You spend to much time posting hate filled drivel.

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 8:55am

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 9:55am

Get off our board spammer.

5 times banned. And you are still here?

By f u bush2September 28, 2008 - 9:03am

Your right. This is our board.

You need to leave. Go away, left wingnut troll. And take your spam with you.

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 9:13am

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 10:13am

Get off our board spammer.

Five times banned and you are still here.

Pathetic.

By f u bush2September 28, 2008 - 12:38pm

There never was such a thing as " communism".

What you had in the U.S.S.R. was Stalinism, or " socialism in one country". A state run capitalist nation.
Still, even with all of the terror, people in the Soviet Union saw their standing of living increase over time. By the 1930s they were living much better than they were under the Tsar.
Capitalism has inherent contradictions which will eventually tear it apart. Which we are witnessing right now.

By thaelmann37September 28, 2008 - 10:34am

So now you choose to redefine another countries

political process to make it seem communism is a great system. Bullshit. In theory, every system works perfectly, in practice, the systems flaws are exposed. Communism's flaws have been exposed. Face it. It does not work. It is a fatally flawed way of life. Get over it. Invent a better system. Stop clinging to something that has been proven to be horrific.

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 1:43pm

Well I could come up with a philosophy that involved

worker controlled means of production and call it something other than socialism, but it would still be socialism.
Like most right wingers you are quick to point out the flaws in a political system you don't agree with but ignore the vast amount of evidence that highlight the glaring deficiencies in holy capitalism.
Stuff like genocide, famine, wars, etc., etc, etc.

By thaelmann37September 28, 2008 - 3:03pm

I'm not the one trying to change one flawed system for one that

is even more flawed. It's you Neo-Coms doing that.

By momofukuSeptember 28, 2008 - 10:53pm

Accuracy fixxy

It's the RepubliCANTS doing that.

Obama/Biden '08: the cure for electile dysfunction.

By nonexistent manSeptember 28, 2008 - 11:23pm

That's " Trotskyist" to you, NeoCon.

The problem is is that you don't what you're talking about. It is painfully obvious that you have never seriously studied history.
You're out of your league here, pally.

By thaelmann37September 28, 2008 - 11:37pm

He's been out of his depth since he showed up here.

There are too many educated people on this site for him to deal with.

Obama/Biden '08: the cure for electile dysfunction.

By nonexistent manSeptember 29, 2008 - 2:13am

I see you don't dispute what I say.

I do know what I am talking about. Typical neo-com, when you can't dispute what is put forth, you make absurd statements that have no content.
Trotskyist? So, your a member of a cult of personality?

By momofukuSeptember 29, 2008 - 8:23am

Can you explain how capitalism is going to solve the problems

that confront humanity today?
You keep bringing up the old " communist" states like China and Russia, completely unaware that those two revolutions are not the sum of socialist history. I guess I can't fault you for that- everyone in the U.S. gets brainwashed into thinking there is no alternative to capitalism.
You also have to put the Russian and Chinese revolutions into their historical context. Both nations were in the midst of civil war and invasions by foreign armies. I find it ironic that critcs of Red Terror seem oblivious to the corresponding White Terror that the bourgeosie initiated against the revolutionary forces.
As far as talking about more recently,during the Student and Worker strikes in France in 1968 factories were taken over and ran by the workers. In Argentina they are doing the same thing now. These are glimpses of how a socialist society run from the bottom- up would work.
Your last comment is absurd . Another display of your ignorance of working class history.

By thaelmann37September 29, 2008 - 10:25am

You just don't get it, do

You just don't get it, do you? Don't you see that needing a passport to go to Canada is the same as being held hostage by your own government in North Korea? Can you not see how it is exactly the same?? Fucking conservatives and their damned common sense arguments!!

By notjfroggSeptember 28, 2008 - 2:44am

By notjfroggSeptember 28, 2008 - 3:44am

He does get it you clueless simpleton.

By f u bush2September 28, 2008 - 2:51am

Accuracy fixxy

conservatives and their damned nonsensical arguments

I should start charging you for editing services.

Obama/Biden '08: the cure for electile dysfunction.

By nonexistent manSeptember 28, 2008 - 5:35am

Yeah, common sense.

Like voting for george W. Bush... twice.

By thaelmann37September 28, 2008 - 10:39am

China is sending a mission to space today

We're bogged down in several countries with our military.

Pakistan Fires On US Recon Helicopters As Tensions Mount
FISNIK ABRASHI | September 25, 2008 02:38 PM E

KABUL, Afghanistan — Pakistani troops fired at American reconnaissance helicopters patrolling the Afghan-Pakistan border Thursday, heightening tensions as the U.S. steps up cross-border operations in a region known as a haven for Taliban and al-Qaida militants. Pakistan's president said only "flares" were fired.

Two American OH-58 reconnaissance helicopters, known as Kiowas, were on a routine afternoon patrol in the eastern province of Khost when they received small arms fire from a Pakistani border post, said Tech Sgt. Kevin Wallace, a U.S. military spokesman. There was no damage to aircraft or crew, officials said.

"They did not cross the border and they did not fire back," Wallace said.

The Pakistani military disputed that assertion, saying troops fired warning shots after the helicopters crossed "well within" Pakistani territory.

"On this, the helicopters returned fire and flew back," the Pakistani military said in an English-language statement.

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By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:56pm

Another sad loss for oil

Iraq Suicide Bomber Kills American Soldier In Turbulent Area North Of Baghdad
September 25, 2008 04:27 AM ES

BAGHDAD — The U.S. military says an American soldier has been killed by a suicide bomber in Iraq.

A statement says the attacker struck a Multi-National Division _ North soldier during operations Wednesday in Diyala province. U.S. and Iraqi forces launched an offensive this summer to try to rout insurgents from the rural area north of Baghdad.

At least 4,171 members of the U.S. military have died in the Iraq war since it began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Shell just opened an office in Iraq. Mission accomplished.

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 1:58pm

Did anyone see Couric interview Palin?

I've heard quotes of a portion of it. Palin was ripped apart.

That is probably why McCain wants to push to have the VP debate cancelled.

By f u bush2September 25, 2008 - 2:02pm

when asked what action mccain has taken as a regulator...

"i'll try to find some and i'll bring them to you".

couric had to ask five times to get through the bullshit answers.

By commiecakesSeptember 25, 2008 - 2:21pm