Obama haters-Hillary haters: Just stop it!
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Both Democratic candidates have their supporters. I initially gravitated toward Edwards. After he left, I stayed ambivalent. Both candidates have positives and negatives. And either, at their worst, would be far better than St. John McSame. And recently I came to support Obama.
So I really can’t understand the hate speech directed at both by their partisans in the bloggersphere (y!pctp!). Corrente was the first high-profile blog that added me (back when it was just me) to their blogroll, and then gave me front-page posting privileges, and I have never forgotten that. I have personal relationships with several of the front-pagers, and while I hadn’t checked in there lately, I was shocked to find this:
Barring a stunning reversal of fortune, my party is heading into November with a candidate who thinks the GOP is “the party of ideas,” who badmouths socialized medicine, progressive partisans, liberals (and their Chablis-soaked limos), and who says he was “called to serve” by Christ himself.
As Obama’s former friend and mentor recently noted, “he says what he has to say as a politician.”
Sure, I understand that to overtake a more-popular and more-experienced party rival, it’s necessary and appropriate to destroy her and her husband’s reputation via completely fraudulent charges of racism. Sausage ain’t beanbag, as they say.
And this, from a different Corrente blogger:
I finally realized why I was having such a hard time saying that I’d vote for Obama if he is the nominee.
I’ve been voting straight ticket Democratic just about my entire adult life, and one of the big reaons is that I find the GOP’s use of its Southern Strategy abhorrent.
Obama’s use of race baiting in an effort to create huge margins and massive turnout in the AA community is his own “Southern Strategy.” Every time I think about what they’ve done to Bill and Hillary Clinton in the name of securing the nomination, I feel ill.
So I’m sitting November out if Obama is the nominee. I’m not going to vote for a “Democrat” who employs the tactics I find most abhorrent in Republicans.
Wow, just wow. And they’re not the only Liberal bloggers to be anti-Obama. Taylor Marsh joins in:
I will say this much. I am a fighter for Democratic and progressive causes. I will fight against John McCain’s candidacy with every fiber of my being.
Hey there. Loved the top of your site today pointing out the Republican disaster and can’t wait to have your wonderful talent focused on McCain. And you’re quite a fighter. Thanks. - Tony (reader email)
That said, since I can’t make the case for Senator Obama now, I won’t be making it later. His fans will have to do that. There is no way I can ethically or in good conscience turn 180 degrees to start touting him. But I can and will stand up for Democratic principles. So the focus will be on making sure John McCain is not elected.
As for why Obama supporters, which some of you call “trolls” will continue to be welcomed here, it’s because discourse in the Democratic party between our camps is important. If you don’t want to talk to them don’t.
I just don’t get it. At least Taylor will work against McSame. That says a lot.
But I still don’t get it. Perhaps my co-bloggers here or commenters can enlighten me.
Now for the anti-Hillary camp, here’s one blogger:
With the champion of universal health care, education reform, nuclear non-proliferation, the environment and the nation’s poor out of the running, I find myself turning towards the candidate who, I think, shares John Edwards’ hunger for change, and deep belief in the innate decency of the American people. That candidate is not Hillary Rodham Clinton.
As a woman and a feminist, l feel a profound sense of sadness that I cannot, in good conscience, support Hillary Rodham Clinton’s historic bid for the presidency. Because to me, being a feminist means not only supporting initiatives that improve women’s lives as mothers, workers, caretakers and citizens, it means being a driving force in the quest to better understand women’s roles in our homes, our nation, and in the world. Being a feminist does not mean voting for the only woman in the Presidential race - it means voting for the person who will stand up for all women, and the issues that directly affect us and our families.
And from Democratic Underground, posted by a user:
if she gets the nomination. I am an Obama supporter, but I could never help McCain win. This country would not recover. Hillary has done a lot these pass few weeks to piss me off, my respect for her has been greatly diminished. I do think she will harm the party if she stays in the race too long. That said, if by chance she gets the nomination I would not think twice to vote for her. Any Democrat that acts like a spoiled child and says they will vote for McCain if their candidate loses is just not thinking straight. Grow up people!
There are more like that in the thread following the main post, so there is I-won’t-vote-for-Hillary sentiment out there. And here is one more anti-Hillary blogger:
Today Clinton neglected to vote on the FISA bill and she lost my vote. She offers a Comprehensive Government Reform page on her web site, but won’t stand up NOW against vast, illegal spying in our out of control surveillance society. Obama, on the other hand, voted against telecom immunity. I called Clinton’s campaign office to let them know this decided it, and then donated to Obama’s campaign.
Maybe I’m missing the point, but the anti-Hillary posts seem a little calmer, more rational, more issue-based. The anti-Obama posts seem, well, I don’t actually know. Surely they’re based on issues, but that seems to get lost in the interpretation.
Thankfully, we have some willing to talk sense:
Finally: I’d like to state once and for all that I do not give a shit who wins this godforsaken primary. Yes, I voted for Obama because I thought he was marginally better on foreign policy, despite his weaknesses on domestic policy. Neither candidate is perfect, both are vastly better than McCain. Too many Obama and Clinton supporters need to step back, take a deep breath and realize that this election is far more important than their individual candidates. I’ve seen entirely too much stupid bullshit over the past few months, such as Kos summarily excommunicating Hillary from the Democratic Party or this nonsense about how opposing Hillary’s gas tax plan means that you “don’t acknowledge that there are poor people in America.” Stop the stupid bullshit, people. It’s not doing any of us any good, because we all have far more in common than Hillary and Obama have differences. People shouldn’t be kicked out of the damn Democratic Party because they didn’t vote for your damn candidate.
That’s from the folks at Sadly No!, who have been debating Lambert et al at Corrente. And finally we have this:
Whichever Democrat you prefer, just cut the shit.
This is one place where I don’t mind saying “a pox on both your houses.”
Adherents of both remaining Democratic candidates are playing this card, and however wounded you feel by what the other campaign is doing (or is perceived as doing), there is a lot more than a dime’s worth of difference between our Democratic options and John “Bush’s Third Term” McCain.
Make the case for your candidate and/or against the one you like less. But if you want the next four-to-eight years to be even a little better than what we’ve just had, stop all this “I’m too good to vote for the second-best Democratic option.”
Pretty please, with “for fuck’s sake” on top.
That’s actually from VastLeft, at CorrenteWire. Calmer heads prevail, thankfully.
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What Would NOT Have Happened...
...had President Bush and the Republicans caved into the Hippocrats and their master, Moron.org, and removed our troops from Iraq:
Suspected al Qaeda leader in Iraq arrested
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By SheddMay 8, 2008 - 11:23pmBy SheddMay 8, 2008 - 11:23pm
YEEEeeeHAAAW! Raise the Banner and bring the boys home! We caught another "number two"! Mission accomplished!
What a dumbass ... is there any number two that junior won't eat?
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By frazzledMay 9, 2008 - 12:39amFor Christ's sake,fucking idiot,
Al-Qaeda in Iraq didn't exist until AFTER we invaded Iraq.
It is composed of Iraqi insurgents and it has the same relationship to the original al-Qaeda that Beatlemania had to the Beatles.
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By alienuslxMay 8, 2008 - 11:50pmBy alienuslxMay 8, 2008 - 11:50pm
Al-Qaeda in Iraq didn't exist until AFTER we invaded Iraq.
Who should we put on trial?
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By FACTMEMay 9, 2008 - 1:12amBy FACTME May 9, 2008 - 1:12am
"Who should we put on trial?
Let's start with the Senators who voted to "authorize" Bush's war against Iraq! Ladies first? Alphabetical? Take your pick...
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By ExpatinEUMay 9, 2008 - 1:51am"Pop" - The Bursting of Yet Another Leftist Myth
The following is from a response I posted on March 16, 2008 to counter Rachel Maddow's and Thom Hartmann's dishonest and deliberately misleading blatherings about Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Last week, Rachel Maddow and the surrogate for Thom Hartman, who was in Darfur, loudly announced on their radio shows that after reviewing 600,000 captured Iraqi documents, the Pentagon found no "direct operational link" between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. After doing so, said pundits smugly stated how such findings proved yet another of Bush's reasons for invading Iraq - an Iraqi/Al Qaeda nexus - to be a lie.
Not a bad story were it not for the fact that the claim, itself, is another leftist lie and one about which Maddow and her ilk were so excited to broadcast they probably almost urinated on themselves to do so. Excerpts from an article summarizing the Pentagon study prove what I mean.
For example, this is what Maddow and the rest of the leftist media reported:
Now, here's what the report truly said:
...
Conclusion: Knowing how an honest reporting of this study would undermine its propaganda about the lack of an Iraqi-Al Qaeda link, the left (1) (like the McClatchy News Service, Rachel Maddow, and Thom Hartman's stand-in stooge) did the only thing it knows how to do: It lied, claiming there was no link, when, in fact, there was one.
So yet again, the lies of the dishonest left proves how it could really care less about this country, its citizens, and freedoms. Instead what it proves is how the left will lie, mischaracterize, spin, use half-truths, and do whatever else is necessary to support its ethically absent, morally bankrupt, backward, dishonest, and regressive ideology, even if it means spreading the terrorist's propaganda for them, and, in effect, becoming their allies for doing so.
One last excerpt from the article sums it up best:
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By SheddMay 9, 2008 - 1:55amScrolled.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ~~~John Kenneth Galbraith
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By nonexistent manMay 9, 2008 - 5:41amre: By Li'l Skeeter May 9, 2008 - 1:55am
Spin, spin, spin. You are one delusional narcissistic Orange County Republifuck. No matter how you try to spin it, the Pentagon found no direct link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Take your silly game of Six Degrees of Sadam Hussein and shove it up your pseudo-intellectual ass.
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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein
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By GazmikMay 9, 2008 - 8:14amBy GazmikMay 9, 2008 - 8:14am
Heya Gaz. Haven't read you for a while.
It really takes a special kind of moron to whine about "leftist propaganda" (which is an apparent product of every major outlet not owned by Newscorp) and then post an article from America's best known neoconservative opinion magazine. Have they ever been right about anything?
WMDs? Wrong. Iraq-9/11 link? Wrong. Greeted as liberators? Wrong. Oil revenues paying for the war? Wrong. Popular support for NSA domestic spying? Wrong. Torture? Wrong. etc., etc., ad nauseam.
What a joke.
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By frazzledMay 9, 2008 - 9:16amre: By frazzled May 9, 2008 - 9:16am
Been busy, so I haven't had much time to spend here. And then they changed the AAR web page just to confuse me.
Li'l Skeeter always confuses verbosity with intelligence. He's an ardent subscriber to the "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" principle. He claims that the Pentagon was lying when they determined that there was no direct link between Saddam and Al Qaeda, and then tries to prove it by stating that there were some obscure questionable indirect links? He is a "special" kind of moron.
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By GazmikMay 9, 2008 - 9:26amBy GazmikMay 9, 2008 - 9:26am
I hear you. Been busy myself.
I've gotten used to the new digs but there are still a lot of annoying features. I like the feeds from the guest blogs but they need to provide links to entries that fall off the page. In their defense, we've always posted in more of a "chat room" fashion so I doubt they anticipated the need to keep posts accessible. I found that by using the tracking option through my account I can see when posts have new replies.
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By frazzledMay 9, 2008 - 9:42amre: By frazzled May 9, 2008 - 9:42am
. . .they need to provide links to entries that fall off the page."
One thing that I found is that you can go back by adding "?page=" to the link. For instance, the first page would be:
http://airamerica.com/guest-blogger?page=0
And, the second page would be:
http://airamerica.com/guest-blogger?page=1
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"Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." -- Albert Einstein
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By GazmikMay 9, 2008 - 10:01amA careful reading of the italicized portions
indicates there was no "operational link" between al-Qaeda and Sadaam Hussein, that you approve of someone does not mean you collaborate with that person.
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By alienuslxMay 9, 2008 - 9:48amre: By alienuslx May 9, 2008 - 9:48am
And there was no evidence presented that Saddam even approved of Al Qaeda. And Li'l Skeeter attempts to use disingenuous bullshit like tying in people like Zarqawi, who wasn't even affiliated or allied with Al Qaeda until after we invaded Iraq.
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By GazmikMay 9, 2008 - 10:06amNo Doubt
ol' Saddam was quite happy when airplanes drove into American buildings.
Does that mean he had a hand in it?' Most reasonable people woud say it's doubtful.
Or maybe, since we probably had a hand in trying to unseat Chavez a few years back, perhaps the leaders of America cannot think of a situation in which a nation does not meddle in the internal affairs of other countries in which it has "an interest". Saddam's interest was to get us off his back and out of his airspace. But you don't walk up to the biggest dog on the block and kick him in the crotch without getting your backside bitten, and all two-bit petty dictators know this. Too bad moronic lazy bullies who don't like to read but instead surround themselves with Yes Men and Darth Vader sound-alikes don't realize this.
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By blogbobMay 9, 2008 - 10:23amOh boy
Shedd's grip on reality is pretty weak.
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By f u bush2May 9, 2008 - 12:15amBy f u bush2May 9, 2008 - 12:15am
Correction: skeety-poo's grip on reality is nonexistent.
Support the Troops
End the Occupation
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By Guy FawkesMay 9, 2008 - 12:19amShort of Cash, Clinton Is Forced to Cut Spending
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By f u bush2May 9, 2008 - 12:17amBy f u bush2May 9, 2008 - 12:17am
Just goes to show you that Obama can't seal the deal even with more cash.
Obama can't get the total delegates over 2025 to win.
Frankly he doesn't deserve the nomination. He has a flawed character going in.
I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
Clinton '08
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By FACTMEMay 9, 2008 - 1:08amBy FACTME May 9, 2008 - 1:08am
Obama is going to get the nomination. Why don't you just try to learn to deal with reality? Hell, you won't even need to waste all of your time spinning Hillary's war vote anymore...
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By ExpatinEUMay 9, 2008 - 2:06amI'll bet Shrillary
is regretting all those nights renting out luxury suites in Las Vegas and elsewhere.
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By blogbobMay 9, 2008 - 10:24amI find it rather amusing
when Hillary claims that voting for her represents "taking back America."
They brought us NAFTA and normalized trade with communist China. This has contributed to the loss of over 3.6 million good paying manufacturing jobs, the loss of labor's clout in America, the loss of 3 million pensions and record trade deficits with China. not to mention the near destruction of the American economy.
They brought us the telecommunications act that has led to neocon propaganda saturation of the air waves.
They brought us punitive punishment for non-violent crimes which has contributed to the US jailing more people than any nation in the world. 1 out of 100 American citizen are inmates and now non-voters.
We might recall how Clinton handled Wako. Nothing like a militaristic, destructive killing off of dozens of children.
They brought us "welfare reform."
Hillary brought us the Iraq war, the Patriot Act and supports Real ID. Hillary brought us the Oman, Chile and Singapore free trade agreements, and was apparently working hard to bring us one with Columbia.
I am not sure what she means by "take back America." It seems to me America is what the Clintons intended.
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By AntillectualMay 9, 2008 - 6:37amDon't forget
She TRIED but FAILED to bring us government-run health care.
Then she got on a bunch of corporate boards.
Is she a Repug or a Democrud?
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By blogbobMay 9, 2008 - 10:26amI don't know. Anyone who kills a bunch of Christian
fundamentalists can't be all bad.
The Clintons continued the asinine "war on crime" because it's a sure way to get reelected.
Pres. Clinton's actions were not always praiseworthy, but compared to this murderous psychopath, Clinton should be on Mt. Rushmore.
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By alienuslxMay 9, 2008 - 9:43amObama takes the mark 666
There is no compromise with Obamite's. They've wholeheartedly taken the tattoo of 666 on their left forearm.
They are the future of what's to come in America. Lazy lazy sloth's, who choose to kill the children within their wombs, legalize hard drugs, and punish those with stong Christian values.
Fight them with every ounce of energy. wage war with them even if it is civil war. They need to be incinerated. They are the enemy of our democratic party.
Sit out this election or vote McCain, but under NO circumstance vote for this blowhard Barrack "the manchurian candidate" Hussein Obama!
You can be a good democrat and still believe in morals.
Obamite's want to stop the war but believe in slaughtering the unborn. Shit.....they even value animals and fur coats more than the unborn. They are the unholy.
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By chilcoMay 9, 2008 - 10:31amBy chilco May 9, 2008 - 10:31am
No one wants your racist vote.
Lets just ignore the troll. He is not a liberal or a democrat. He is a poser who will soon be banned for his racist comments.
This is my last direct response to him.
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By f u bush2May 9, 2008 - 10:53amBy f u bush2May 9, 2008 - 10:53am
This wingnut isn't even a good poser. Just gotta love the desperation of FReepers.
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By frazzledMay 9, 2008 - 11:50amBy frazzled May 9, 2008 - 11:50am
Its more evidence they would rather that McCain had to run against Clinton.
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By f u bush2May 9, 2008 - 11:54amThere is more evidence of US involvement in S American tragedies
Than Iraqi involvement in 9/11.
But the right wing mind is too warped and their eyes blinded by patriotism to see it.
The US played an integral role in causing massive amounts of death on 9/11/1973.
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By f u bush2May 9, 2008 - 10:52amre: f u bush.........nah nah nah u George Bush
Of course you'll ban me. It's what people like you do when you can't or are intellectually unable to counter my attack.
Again.......... if speaking or "igniting a small spark" regarding race infuriates you, well isn't that a shame? But I would bet you're the same guy that tunes in to Bill Maher on friday's?
I am a democrat but not your kind and that really makes you mad (tsk tsk tsk.)
Troll, poser, racist? You make the rules. So do what you will.
I'll go into any room, break bread, worship, chat, workout, hunt, etc. with many of my black, yellow, white, red.................. friends. Is that racist? I back my game up. What I don't do is stifle free speech George Bush.
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By chilcoMay 9, 2008 - 11:07am