Today on Doing Time - Tuesday July 1st, 2008
Wesley Clark vs John McCain day II. What does qualify someone to be commander and chief? Kuby has some ideas on that one.
Meanwhile, Obama is distancing himself from Wesley Clark’s comments and focusing on patriotism and service. So we decided to take a look at Obama’s plan for national service. It is quite detailed and specific – so all of you Obama critics out there who say he’s all generalities, have a listen to these details. Former Senator Harris Wofford will explain it all to us.
Then we’ll take a look at the rumors spreading about Obama in
The question for the day is: what is patriotism? How do you express patriotism? Does it require sacrifice? Is a flag lapel pin a requirement? Why?
And much much more …
McCain's Vietnam service re CIC qualification
1) McCain never set foot in Vietnam. He was on an aircraft carrier, far cushier than a foxhole.
2) McCain was not a fighter pilot. He flew an A4 Skyhawk attack bomber.
3) Schieffer fed the "shot down" line to Clark. Clark simply repeated it in his answer.
4) If flying a fighter and getting shot down qualified one to run for president, then Randall "Duke" Cunningham should be running. He was a superb fighter pilot and an ace with more than five kills, but I don't think anyone would say that he would be a good President of the United States.
I think these clarifications are needed to return a little sanity to the discussion.
Ken Deed
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By kendeedJuly 1, 2008 - 3:35pmGen. Clark
I have been a regular listener to randi. But the post above is so clear and more reality based than randi is now, that I am going to listen to this program now.
Camp
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By campy33July 1, 2008 - 4:21pmwell shit
Ron gets a call and he "agrees" that Obama is raised in a religious institution that is Islam.
AND HE ACCEPTS THIS.
Well shit, he is no better than randi in his grasp of facts.
So,,,forget it. Sorry I tuned in!!
Camp
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By campy33July 1, 2008 - 5:01pmDude!!!!!!!!! I went to
Dude!!!!!!!!! I went to Catachism when I was a kid, and I am not Catholic.. What religion do you want Obama to be? COnservatives seem to find it convenient to label his christian when they want to associate him with his pastor, and to label him muslim to associate him with terrorists.. In reality Obama is his own man with his own ideas.. And his ideals are obviously light years ahead of McCain..
bobblerft
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By bobblerftJuly 2, 2008 - 5:58pmGOOD IDEA.. BAD DELIVERY
EXCELLENT POINT RON ...
CLARKE'S STATEMENT WAS RIGHT ON THE MONEY ...
... but since it was delivered in a flippant manner... Bam is apologizing ..
and like your caller mentioned ... this looks weak ..
it's somewhat like Bam's "BITTER" comment ...
... great idea .. poor choice of words ...
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By MURFMANJuly 1, 2008 - 4:43pmYou bet. BHO, pull a SHRUMster & PLAY DEAD. Kill the TRUTH BLOG!
The closer the "RACE" the better for PUNDIT FODDER and TV COMMERCIAL TIME RATES. no to mention that it'll be that much easier to hide the ELECTION FRAUD SHENANIGANS that even CONGRESS is in favor of, almost as much as CLANDESTINELY FUNDING the shrubs MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX whey playing DUMB.
Why else has HAVA remained under the radar?
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By SingSingJuly 1, 2008 - 5:00pmservice learning
Kuby
Regarding the issue of mandatory service, you're leaving out the "learning" part of the story. This is actually SCIENCE (from professional research) that educators know about if they bother to keep up with the research. Particularly in the middle school years, students who serve in their communities (in projects of their own particular interests) will become lifelong citizens. Yes, this is a learning issue.
For those of us who attended private schools, it was expected that we serve. Whether it was at the Friday night fish fry, the bake sales, the car washes, the local Head Start program, we learned about the real world and our place in it. When you are a part of raising funds to rebuild a church destroyed by a bomb in Alabama, you never forget those girls who died or how important equality is. For us, it was a religious/spiritual lesson AND a lesson in being a good citizen.
I've recently begun to listen to your show regularly. You're funny and intelligent. It would be more entertaining if you did a little more research if you're going to continue to bash Obama's policies. Kiddie-pooh is pretty demeaning. Show some respect, please.
We might have an active and engaged citizenry if this generation is granted the opportunity to learn through service about the importance of their roles in this world. Take a few minutes to google service learning. City Kids has been involved in funding these programs for years.
Thanks.
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By fade2bluzJuly 1, 2008 - 10:32pmRe Faith based social services
In practice Faith based social services have existed for a long time--its called Voluntarism, people in their communities doing stuff with "public money", that isn't based on tax dollars, though . . . in some cities they are subsidized by tax dollars because its cheaper to fund somebody to do the work than get the governmental infrastructure involved. So tax dollars have been involved in what are referred to as "community services" for a long time.
As the Hebrew expression, translated into the English, the Faith card is the Same Lady with another Dress. I understand your reservations, just as I recall how Otto von Bismarck pressed for a Gesellschaft aka a State Bureaucratic system to cover Social Services because it standardized what was offered, providing statiility in the Reich. Gradually, the Gemeinde, the local community organizations were phased out to become what exists in most of Western Europe. The US is a little behind in that story, and I think as long as they are non-sectarian about their relgious attitudes we ought not have to worry.
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By d2343@012.net.ilJuly 2, 2008 - 4:32pmOBAMA: FBI
I am very dissapointed Obams supports the Faith Based Initiative (today I am in agreement with Kuby).. Giving churches OUR TAX MONEY makes it look like these religious groups are doing the good work of social services.. To the casual observer it looks like the church is doing these good deeds out of the goodness of their hearts.. And just this helps them proselytize (even when observing separation rules that Obama supports).. Another big problem is that our highest law demands separation of church and state, so this intertwining is wrong on this level, and provides a slippery slope to a theocracy when the lext lawbreaker regime (like the Bush admin) comes into power..
bobblerft
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By bobblerftJuly 2, 2008 - 5:50pmRe Sippery Slopes to Theocracy
bobblerft,
The truth, as it seems to me is that most common religion that people practice is Secularsm, but they call it Religion because that's how the boxes are labeled. Other than that, except for the scholars, or the people who take Scripture seriously, people usually repeat slogans. Even Obama misquoted the Bible when he mentioned slavery he got it wrong, and failed to understand that the prohibitions on food were restricted to the "Children of Israel". He is not to be faulted, though, since he reads the texts like a Western academic, rather than a Jew for whom the text is basic to understanding that particular Faith. Hey, even many Jews don't read that text that carefully anymore!
At any rate, when Christianity for most Americans means going to Church on Christmas and Easter, going to Sunday School, if you do go to Sunday School at all, and gettin' confirmed, or whatever it is they do, I am not afraid of a Theocracy in the States. The Fundies will get lost in their obfuscations anyway, leaving the Mainstream Churches to preach their version of Secularism to their Believers.
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By d2343@012.net.ilJuly 3, 2008 - 7:40am