Olbermann Calls Malkin A Mashed-Up Meatbag

#320 wrenchboy @ 7:38 a.m. • Monday October 26, 2009
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The short answer to your second question, which the moderator seems unwilling or unable to admit to outright, is "Yes, repeatedly".

It'd be one thing to delete the comment.

It's quite another to manipulate content to one's liking.

Nothing wrong with what He said about Malkin it was addressed to Malkin. He in fact was very kind. I would have been much more lacerating

There's something wrong with this "Megan Carpentier" person, they lie all the time. To defend Malkin is disgusting and to accuse Olberman of misogyny is some kind of highly stupid delusional nonsense. This crazy slob also accused a French Minister of being a pedophile. I think this female object should be taken away and fired there is no need for this hysterical Andrea Dworkin imitator to be spreading her lies around Rush Limbaugh does a better job and is probably easier on the eye.

Malkin is an emotional idiot, she screams and rarely know what she is talking about sorry but Keith was right this time.

I love Oberman he and Rachael Maddow speak the truth, are fun and factual; heartful in a genuine not on a take way (they have compassion). Let's create healing centers and end giant hospitals of death. Let's end all insurance companies. (And make no insurance of any kind manditory by the Government in bed with them). (Including car insurance). (Let's even vote for car pool lanes (if they should exist at all) our tax dollars paid for that I say we all should use them at all hours). (People who use them are not in real car pools anyway). I know of not one person who was paid life insurnace after they were dead...nor their heirs. In fact heirs are ripped off when their folks die from Lawyers, please investigate that. Why do we let the richest and thus usually most corrupt rule. End fox news and the reign of the corporate elite -- those who pay for fox to exist.

y,know someone mentioned bee bee and it made me think of my friend Bebe Rebozo. He was a a hellova guy, a real friend. When I saw Olbermann talk about Michelle Malkin it was the first time I cried, really cried since Eisenhower's funeral. She's a good kid, a super girl but sort of like Martha Mitchell. Sort of a fruitcake but a real looker . . . . or is it hooker?

@ 395.
blogbob
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Early mornings have NEVER been my strong suit, as I would much rather poke out my own eyes with a good pair of pointy chopsticks, before opening them to the "yelp, yelp, yelp" of my alarm clock.

But I must say, your comments (and song) just made me sit straight up, smile and remember some very naughty things...
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@394.Brewsir

So these 50,000 people that die every year die specifically because they don't have health insurance? Is that what you would have us believe? Perhaps they are just 50,000 people that died and the fact they didn't have health insurance played no role. There are more people than that that die annually with health insurance. Maybe it's the health insurance that killed them. LOL. I guess the dropout rates in the U.S. is because we aren't throwing enough money at the problem, huh? Actually, I think the U.S. spends more money per student than most countries in the world. I would suggest that the dropout rates are due to a culture that sees being educated as "selling out" or trying to be or act "white" and because of fatherless homes and/or parents that would rather "get their groove on" than worry about their children's futures.
Are you saying that the high incarceration rates of black men is somehow racist in nature? Perhaps these black men are incarcerated because they have committed crimes. Duh! Now I might agree that non-violent drug offenders have no business in jail or prison. Spend the money on rehabilitation or legalize, regulate, and tax the drug industry. But in doing so, pull all funds taxpayer for healthcare of those that have drug-related medical issues.
As far as access to healthcare, I don't believe that anyone is denied access to healthcare as long as they can pay for it. Do you expect doctor's to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on medical training just to give that portion of their lives away for free? If so, perhaps you and some of your buddies can get your medical degrees and donate all of your time and expertise to those who can't pay for this service. Then you all can pool all of your quraters and build non-profit hospitals for those that refuse to buy or can't buy insurance. Think of how good that would make you feel about yourself. Then you wouldn't have to spend all your time trying to figure out ways to steal from others to provide this service.

Polly @391

My kids have grown up in a world without 33.33 RPM LPs, without 8-track tapes, and without the Belin Wall. It does not "date" us to refer to the colloquialisms of the 50s-70s, it merely points to the depth of our experience.

Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.
--Bob Dylan, sung by the Byrds

Some of the imagery on the media does leave lots to be desired: Mr Olberman did not start it but he does provide rational reasons for discussion. There are about 50,000 persons dying annually in the USA because of no health insurance. There have been perennial discussions by so called Congressional Representatives who, with bribes from the profiteers, continue to sell the health of the US population down the drain. Collusion with the rest of the so called healthcare industry has been well documented. The drop out rates of our high schoolers are disgraceful compared with all other so called industrialized countries. We have the highest incarceration rate in the world and even that is skewed against Black men. There are so many issues which need to be honestly addressed before we expect real change in these matters affecting so called famous people's feelings. We must first address morbidity and mortallity among our women and children, our murder rate, highschool dropout prevalence and access to reasonable (and timely) healthcare for all, regardless of color, class or creed. Until then I will listen to (and applaud) the Olbermans of this world who speak truth to power. I have seen it work against the primitive drivel being gurgitated by Rush and his underlings.

@ Polly

LOL

I have a turntable so I can relate to "groove". I don't think CD's have "grooves" though. I wonder why people don't say "I found my bit rate"?

bebe is just flailing around now trying to save face.

Have you ever noticed that when the right wingers lose the argument, they just post nonsensically? I think they figure that they will at least waste your time with nonsense if they can't do anything else.

Well my job is done here.

Flail away bebe. Get it all out.

@ 382.
f u bush2
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You know, keep at it. It's a pleasure to watch you work, especially lately.

You have most definitely "found your groove"...
(man does that date me or what?)
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If you say so. But you now know the truth fubu. So work it out in your own mind.

Once again, a ditto head troll is vanquished.

Thanks for playing bebe.

Sorry. You lose.

bebe

I provided the source. Rush's own audio.

I guess because Rush ignores the show where he called caller #1 phony, that's all you need to know. Thanks for showing the world just how the ditto head brain really seeks the truth.

Explain to me why you wouldn't go to the source.

@ bebe 384

Explain to me how the posting of the audio of that show on mediamatters means anything in this debate. Does the content of the audio become nullified because of the site?

@383.wrenchboy

LOL...I've told you before, monkey wrench, we're here to counter the lies and distortions you guys post. Exactly what is going on here with fubu. And why shouldn't conservatives have the same opportunities as you socialists...er...progressives...er...liberals? You of the democrat party are supposed to be inclusive and non-discriminatory aren't you?

@379.f u bush2

Oh, I see....media myrmidons. That explains it. Why not go to the source?

great...

Bebe's back.

I guess it's good to have the older trolls back.

Seriously, is there a reason for the trolls being given free rein?

@ 380 Polly.

Thanks

It's funny because it seems like I've debated this before. Funny how the same lame misrepresentations come up again and again.

Again, here is the link to where you can listen to the show and read the entire transcript where Rush called a soldier phony for disagreeing with him:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200709270010

@ 374.
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Nicely done!
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bebe

Perhaps you are talking about another show

I quoted the show transcripts here from september 2007. And I gave alink where you can listen.

Sorry.

You lose.

Oh, hell....just go here and read the transcipts, if you want the truth.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092807/content/01125106.guest.html

bebe

I think you are desperate to believe Rush was talking about Macbeth. That is sad.

It's all in the transcript of that day's show. Caller #2 and Rush are discussing caller #1 when the comment was made.

I guess this would shatter your reality so you can't accept it. Get help.

LOLOL....love it. MacBeth was the phony soldier and those like him that lie about their service then rail against the war. That was the point that Rush was making, junior.

It's sad that right wingers like bebe try to rewrite history. I guess they learned from Mann Coulter.

Here is the transcript from Rush's show on September 26, 2009 :

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CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever --

LIMBAUGH: I -- it won't --

CALLER 1: -- because that's what it'll take.

LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike -- I'm sorry. I'm confusing you with the guy from Texas.

CALLER 1: See, I -- I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but --

LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.

CALLER 1: -- you know, really -- I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take.

LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!

CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.

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ALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And --

LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --

LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

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Source:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200709270010

You can listen and read the entire transcript there.

Caller #2 and Rush are discussing caller #1.

These poor right wingers like bebe. They have no credibility. Caller number one phoned into Rush's show, told him he was a soldier, and debated the Iraq war with Rush. A second caller, caller #2, was upset about caller #1 and Rush referred to caller #1 as a phony soldier.

Does Rush share his oxycontin with his listeners?

@ bebe

You are implying Rush's comment about phony soldiers had something to do with Macbeth. What the hell are you talking about?

I'm talking about the caller to his show.

Nice try. You lose. This is why you have no credibility. you try to change the topic.

@370.f u bush2

You see, fubu, this is why you have no credibility here. Even when presented with the FACTS, you still lie about the situation. Time to grow up, junior, and join the big-boy blog world.

I guess i could call Namvet64 a phony soldier and it wouldn't be insulting to soldiers. After all he disagrees with me. What's good for the oxycontin man is good for the rest of us...

Rush dishonored the soldiers by using the term 'phony soldier".

When he implies that anyone calling his show claiming to be a soldier who disagrees with him, he is either:

1. Saying any soldier who disagrees with him is phony - an insult.
2. Implying anyone who disagrees with him could not be a soldier - an insult to soldiers who disagree with him.

No matter how you spin it, Rush dishonored the soldiers with his phony insult.

@364.f u bush2

Here is the "phony soldier" deal with Rush taken from his transcripts from that show. Now tell me if that sounds like a phony soldier to you. Nice try fubu. This is exactly why we are here.

"Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."


Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth."

@364.f u bush2

Yeah, fubu and if you remember that particular person WAS a phony soldier. Why do you....."lefties" have to embellish or take something completely out of context in order to try to make a point.. Problem is, most of us on the right know exactly how that "phony soldier" description was used by Rush. On the other hand, most of the progressives...er...liberals...er...socialists on this site didn't hear Rush make the statement so they tend to believe the lies and distortions you write hear. That is exactly why we "trolls"...er....conservatives are here to straighten out and correct the lies.

Bad article.

Kudos to Olbermann for calling out Malking for what she is: someone who beats the truth into a mashed up pulp of lies and then tries to put a pretty face on her insane hatred.

"Mashed up" does not mean physically beaten to a pulp. That was not a valley girl accent. And Michelle Malkin is not intelligent, or at least, if she is, she is dedicated to obscuring any intelligence that she has in the interest of whipping up fear, resentment, and violence.

You're doing the same thing Malkin does. Take a comment or event, and then twist it into a distortion based on your own narrow mindset, and then use statistics supporting something else entirely to try to give evidence to your own hatred.

Please stop writing until you learn how to analyze what you intend to write about.

@356 Polly
Nope, I'm just Mason1024 here.
I'm unfamiliar with author Megan but I definitely get the feminism vs. Feminism thing you describe (well, perhaps as much as a guy can). Like what crying "wolf" does to one's message when the real wolf comes around.

@357 (cigar)
BWAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA.
Awesome. Thanks for that Polly.

Regarding your #361 post: If you don't know AlterNet.org, you might like it. Generally political, left-leaning and pretty much wide-open on freedom to comment, and a handful of usually interesting articles added daily. Lots of smart people comment, and comments are nested for easier reading of conversational threads. But one cannot escape trolls entirely, of course.

This is nothing.

Rush called soldiers phony.

@ 361. PollyTics

Well they have nothing left to spin about their party. The republican party should be renamed the hypocritical party. The ditto heads have nothing left but silly talking points. Well that's all they ever had but the hypocrisy is so obvious except to the 20%ers.

A major AMEN!!! to post #358 by Wanderer.......Typical of the Liberal/Progressive; when you run out of intellect, resort to name calling and vitriolic personal attacks. This, once again, makes Olbermann a VERY SMALL MINDED "man".

@ 359.
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I don't know about you, but I am pretty damn fed up with the free reign of trolls around here and I'm looking round to find a new spot. Not so sure about this place anymore.
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NewsBusters: Air America Calls Out Olbermann for Sexist Attack on Michelle Malkin
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/10/27/air-america-calls-out-olbermann-sexist-attack-michelle-malkin

The g0p trolls seem pretty desperate.

When you have nothing constructive to say...

When personal attacks are your only ammunition in an argument...

When "respect" and "sensitivity" and "diversity" are rhetorical statements to be slung, not values to be lived...

When freedom of speech is valued, as long as you agree with what is being said...

When rights mean government endowments...

When it's OK that freedoms are given and taken with popular concensus...

Well, when you do/believe all of these things, but deny that you do/believe any of them, then my friends, you are a progressive liberal, indeed.

Sometimes a cigar is merely a cigar...

@ 354.
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Hello Mason, might I know you by a different handle?

I'm merely commenting about this because I know Megan Carpentier's work and she ALWAYS has a staunchly hard feminist view about life in general. I use lower case in the term "feminist" because this is not what I know as Feminism, as it is some newer and to my own eyes, foolishly accusatory group that sees life through a self made victimization periscope.

She does however, represent a group of women who truly do believe this stuff in total; however it embarrasses me as I remember the much older days when the Women's movement was far more focused when speaking in facts, stats and reality as we knew it.

Today, anything and everything is deemed "misogyny" and I fear that tact actually weakens TRUE misogyny when and where it exists.
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Are you people quite serious?!?!?!? It's funny, as a person who all his life has espoused progressive principles in one form or other, as the run-up to the last elections were happening, an awful thought flickered briefly through my brain: "If we win, how soon after all the victory celebrations will we reveal ourselves as the humorless, easily parodied dipsticks that saw our side marginalized and cast to the political wilderness for much of the last quarter of the 20th Century and thence through the long dark night of the Bush years?" Well, the kind of absolute nonsense on parade in this article just goes to show that we are back in more ways than one. It further shows that it is not only the Republicans who can be guilty of this sort of intellectual dishonesty that so glibly separates out intent in order to make whatever idiotic point the author wants to make at the time. I have seen this before on Air America with that piece of self-serving drivel written about Olbermann by, I believe, Lionel (if I am incorrect, I apologize humbly here and now, but I am certain it was in an Air America Newsletter). Please, people, for the love of all that is holy, give yourselves a humor transplant before it is too late and we are all subject to eight years of Jeb Bush. A great swath of the country does not understand your incipient hand wringing every time some hateful right winger is called out in harsh terms by one of the people on the left with the stones to actually do so directly. If not for the Olbermanns and Frankens and Jon Stewarts and Randi Rhodeses and Stephanie Millers who took the bullies in the Republican party headon and exposed them shamefully to the rest of the country as no-account jerks - rather than pretending they were worthy of respect and tiny butterfly kisses like you ninnies insist on doing - we'd all still be goose-stepping our days through the aughts and wondering why the American public keeps electing clueless Republican plutocrats. Shame on the great hulking oaf who wrote this article. And oh, by the way, I meant every word of the name-calling!

Hi Polly,
That's a fair point. But surely AAR takes some responsibility. After all, they censor these very comments. You cannot use "vulgar" words in a comment about an article that itself contains the very same words your post might be rejected for having. So AAR is taking charge of its content to some degree. Maybe I should have focused on the author more than the network. That's totally fair. But FOX "News" could say basically the same thing anytime it "mistakenly" puts a "(D)" in front of the name of some Republican embroiled in the scandal-du-jour. They can just say that the screen graphics guy messed up, or that particular reporter dropped the ball... but I don't think folks like us would hold the network itself totally blameless because it's reasonable to expect them to include some review of their stories.