will you admit you gave him terrible advice? Or will you just blame those darn anti-regressives and gays for not going along with the capitulating program?

Hmmm?

I wanted specifics too. Never got them and now we are stuck with him.

But correct me if I'm wrong (and I know you will), but isn't now the only time we can hold his feet to the fire? Once he's elected, we are REALLY stuck with him and his faith-based BS.

Who says Faith has to be connected to some specific belief. Are Fee-Thinkers aka so-called Atheists "not religious". So you believe in some kind of Karma, that what "goes round, comes round", though you may not support some kind of Deity. What is Liberation Theology, other than a sense that local communities have a right, and duty to take care of their own business, and should be allowed to define their own needs. That community may have some kind of "religious" ethos, so that the personal lives of those that live there might include values that Free-Thinkers oppose. What happened to freedom of conscience

The Faith based community services may be affiliated with some kind of reilgious organization, but in practice they are non-sectarian. I know that in the Metro Detroit area, there is a Vocational Workshop run by the Jewish Welfare Federation that receives funds from a Communiity Chest and serves people who are "not Jewish", too. Its a voluntary organization, that often gets funds from the local government on the grounds that it saves the tax payer by using some other infrastructure than the state aparatus. People often tax themselves in addition to what they pay to "the government".

The bottom line is that there are two approaches to providing social services. One is based on Organizations that join together "as a community", sharing the obligation by voluntary payroll deductions. The other approach is when the government subsidizes the same services out of mandatory payroll deductions, employer contributions, and other sources to cover the cost. You choose which format, and live with it.

http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/687941.html

Obama campaign’s comeback:

Sen. Obama once yelled at an umpire from the stands of U S Cellular Field during a White Sox game.

You hit it on the head. Obama is doing exactly what needs to be done to win.

As I'm sure many of you have heard Lionel say, if Obama was going to run on an uber-progressive ticket, ala Go-Left (not knocking them, I love them), his chances of winning would be nil, ergo Ralph Nader.

Now, don't get me wrong. I am a tree hugging, granola eating, nearly vegetarian, hippie liberal (and I say that proudly). But those kinds of opinions aren't going to sway the far right, and more importantly the independents.

We've gone so far "right" (or I would prefer to say wrong) in this country, that we need to get to center before we can even begin to think of going to the left. Don't you think?

A good salesperson "gets on your island" before he/she sells you something. They don't just cram what they want to sell you down your throat. Obama is being a good salesperson.

Don't worry my fellow progressive brethren. We'll get there. Obama is just the beginning.

Peace be with you!

In case you have forgotten, there are rules to follow regarding the Obamessiah. Don't make me report you to the Obama Though Police:

With Obama we started out, we couldn't talk about his big ears 'cause that made him nervous, and when he gets nervous he can't read the teleprompter.

We've gone from that to this: Not only can we not mention his ears...

We can't talk about his mother.

We can't talk about his father.

We can't talk about his grandmother unless he does, and brings her up as a "typical white person."

We can't talk about his wife,
(If by "my wife" he means the shrill, dumb, trash-talking, bitter American hating female race hustler he might live with on his days off.)

We can't talk about his preacher (If by "my preacher" he means that blustering, conniving, ranting, spuming America-hating American-made millionaire that's spent decades ripping off the poor and credulous people of his parish.)

We can't talk about his terrorist friends, (If by "terrorists" you mean any of the bomb-making, baby-killing, homicidal religious maniacs in Gaza, Lebanon, or Iran with 'legitimate grievances.'")

We can't talk about his voting record (If by "voting record" you mean a record so vacant of actual positions, actual yes or no votes, that it would be a discussion that takes less time to sum up than this sentence takes to read.)

We can't talk about his religion, (If by his religion you mean a set of "theological" assumptions and rhetorical crapola that only the dead would think had the least thing to do with Christianity, and a lot to do with personal enrichment and power.).

We can't talk about appeasement because only Obama knows how to talk to troublemakers which is why crime in his home-base around Chicago is now nonexistent.

We can't talk about color; we can't talk about lack of color, because in the realm of the rainbow there is no color, only the clear blinding light of his innate radiance.

We can't talk about race because, well, really Obama has no race except when he does, and that's not for us to say, only Obama, only late at night, and only when meeting with white people, black people, or muslims privately at which time, like the Grand Chameleon, Obama assumes whatever race best suits his needs.

We can't talk about the bombers and mobsters who are his friends. They might still hold a mortgage and they certainly hold his markers. Besides Bill Ayers feels he still "hasn't done enough" and may have a bomb with your home address on it.

We can't talk about his schooling because he's proved "too cool for school."

We can't talk about his name, "Hussein."

"What did you say?"

"I said, we can't say 'Hussai.....'" BLAM!

We can't talk about his lack of experience in everything except a cult of personality that fits in better with the Politburo than with the Congress.

We can't talk about his income. Or his wife's income. Or their joint income. Or what might be left over in their campaign coffers when his fleecing of the rich, the white, the young, and the guilty is complete.

We can't talk about his flag pin and sing, "First there is no mountain, than there is a mountain, then there...."

We can't talk about his ignorance of American geography because he's tired.

We can't talk about his ignorance of recent American history because he's weary.

Above all, we can't say that he is a liberal, but it is still okay to say, for at least 48 hours more, that he's like JFK with a tan and stick-out ears. (Strike that last thing about the ears because, remember....)

It started out we just couldn't talk about his ears.

Now we can't say anything about him.

So just shut up.

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Greetings, Gentlemen -

Can we really be so cynical as to say "let it go!" to our civil liberties?

Flexibility is good. If Obama has to pay homage to the religious faithful, fine. If he must give faint praise to lethal injection, all right. Sometimes you have to bend. But immunity for the telecoms?

Over the line, out-of-bounds, foul ball!

Senator Dodd recently stood up and gave us a good, old fashioned filibuster against this one, and for good reason. If the time for impeachment is gone, then maybe the last avenue open to us for learning the extent to which President Bush has spied on us is the process of discovery in civil cases against the telecoms. And it is crucial that we do learn. Otherwise, it will be doubly difficult to prevent future administrations commiting similar constitutional abuses.

It has been my naive hope that Obama would, as president, air out Bush's mischief for all to see. Silly me. If he is willing to shut down the domestic spying lawsuits, then maybe the Obama administration will be like "meet the new boss . . .".