Rachel and Uncle Pat debate Obama's "presumptuousness"

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Rachel and Uncle Pat debate Obama's "presumptuousness"

By Tim Einenkel

August 5, 2008
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Family Values only go so far, I guess

A bit off topic, but here's a little tidbit on McCain and his OWN use of family values in a Presidential election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4X6XqNeF1o&eurl=http://www.americablog.c...

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By Polly TicsAugust 5, 2008 - 3:48pm

I doubt most of America

I doubt most of America would have a problem with that. I think most people would take it as, "Look how beautiful my wife is," and see it as nothing more than a compliment. That includes women.

I can see what you're saying, but I don't think it's something that's going to change any minds about McCain.

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By Jason M. BryantAugust 5, 2008 - 5:28pm

This Beauty Pageant was one of the tackiest types of these competitions around, this involved women not just in heels and swimsuits, but bikini's, partial nudity (sans some tops and bottoms as well) along with working with a BANANA.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/mccain-suggests-wife-part_n_117...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/207172.php

Now that is hardly what I would call a Miss America type of Competition!

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By Polly TicsAugust 5, 2008 - 11:34pm

Polly

Sure, it's hardly what *you* would call a Miss America type of competition. And I wouldn't call it that either.

But were either of us planning to vote for McCain? Nope.

The people who were already planning to vote for McCain won't see this as anything more than a joke that a politician made to pander a bit. They won't be offended.

It's not like anyone actually expected him to really push her to enter the competition. This is the same thing as going to a rodeo and declaring that the bull riding looks so fun he thought about giving it a try.

In today's media age, people only get offended at their own candidate if there is video of something offensive happening. Until someone gets video of McCain standing next to a girl doing the banana trick, no Republicans are going to worry about this.

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By Jason M. BryantAugust 6, 2008 - 11:35am

Actually, the women licked BANANA'S & PICKLES...

Well, IF the media would show this spectacle more, there just might be more of an outrage. If Obama or any Democrat ever did such a thing, they would be castigated by the Rightwing nonstop, thus I credit the relative silence as more the doing of the media than a response from the citizens.

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By Polly TicsAugust 6, 2008 - 4:58pm

Here's another problem:

Here's another problem: McCain's supporters don't really care about McCain. They just want someone to beat Obama.

See, this event fits *perfectly* into what McCain has been saying about Obama. For a while now his campaign has been selling Obama as being a lefty elitist. They've gotten excited about this tactic because they think it can work. The biker rally is something that Obama would never go to (at least in their minds), so anyone who would be offended is too busy cheering because McCain just proved that he's the opposite of elitist. Is it hypocritical for them to not be offended by it just because it's useful to them? They're Evangelicals, hypocrisy is a way of life.

The media doesn't need to spend more time on stuff like this. This is almost exactly the same as the time that McCain, Obama, and Clinton all made video appearances at a WWE event right before wrestlers dressed like them went at it in the ring. This is a sideshow and the silliness isn't really a big deal. The media needs to be paying more attention to things like the actual policies that the men are promoting and the mistakes that McCain is making. The sideshow stuff isn't going to change anyone's enthusiasm level.

I agree that the media needs to pay more attention to McCain, but I don't think this event will ever be a winner for Democrats.

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By Jason M. BryantAugust 6, 2008 - 5:46pm

celeberty ad

Hello Rachael, I appreciate your commentaries on issues. You cut right to the chase. I wish to run this comment by you. Maybe you will think it has merrit and will expound on it. My first take on the ad wasn't racism, though this could be the case. What I saw was two innocent bystander women, Britney and Paris, being hurt with the collateral damage from an attack against Obama. When is it that we can now slander any American citizen outside of a campaign and now call it politics as a justification. I also saw a political party denegrate an event that was shown around the globe. This event potrayed an image of America whereby America was being lifted up in an ovation by another country because of the prospect of having an America with world appeal again. The German people were deprecated as just fans of Obama, when in fact they werenot waving an Obama flag, but Old Glory. So the lifting up of our flag has been denegrated as well as what could have been perceived as a more positive interest in and a new image of America at a time when we want just that. I would like to know where in this ad did they put America first, something that has been tooted for weeks.

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By ingramrisAugust 5, 2008 - 6:54pm

Thank you!

Presumptuousness is just another word for uppity. We all know the code words and how the right is using them. Transparent much? Good grief. Thanks for taking them to task, Rachel. When are they going to give Uncle Pat is gold watch and rocking chair? I can't take much more of him and neither can my TV screen and lamps!! I have developed some killer muscles in my throwing arm, however. ;)

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By HarumpfAugust 5, 2008 - 7:24pm

Buchanan - ineffective ads

If Pat thinks the ads are not effective he's either not listening to the rest of America or he's lying.

My dad would vote for McCain if he was standing over a dead body with a smoking gun. 3-5 times a week I get these viral emails from him that echo whatever the conservative talking point is and by a large margin they can be reduced to "Obama is a scary black man with a weird name."

So when Buchanan says HE is not impressed with the ads he needs to understand that HE (Pat) is not the target audience. These ads are trying to whip up the fervor of a group of politically un-savvy, non-overtly racist people who will then pass on their biased message -- they are being used as a conduit to reach the rest of the base who might otherwise not be directly touched by the ads.

So, in that context, those anti-Obama ads are EXTREMELY effective and they must be directly countered and I have to agree with Rachel that Obama needs to go on the offensive and hammer McCain every 10 days with a new ad that highlights his flip-flopped positions, his inability to maintain a coherent message about international policy, his past political skeletons (It pisses me off to no extent that NO ONE in the media EVER talks about 'Keating 5'), his nearly absent/flip-floppy social positions, etc., etc., etc.

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By joseph-chapmanAugust 6, 2008 - 1:08am

Pat Buchanan and the Celebrity Ads

Rachel, you did a great job in speaking up to Pat Buchanan today. Pat should've work for FOX News instead of MSNBC,. When it comes to the celebrity ads and John McCain's wife presented herself as being a beauty queen, "Beauty Is Only Skin Deep."