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Today's TRMS

By Vanessa Silverton-Peel

Matt Yglesias, Senior Editor at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, joins Rachel today to talk about the politics of the bail out bill. What do Republicans really want? Is the GOP as disorganized and fractured as it seems? Are Republicans just trying to hang this albatross around Democrats' collective neck?

Also, Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, talks to Rachel about efforts to make it easier for veterans to vote and why there wasn't a single question about veterens' benefits at last week's debate.

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REPUBLICANS' FETISH

It leaves me awestruck how slavish Republicans are to the concept of the free market. The idea of free markets was postulated to benefit the people whom it is to serve. This means it should be practical and practicable.

Don't get me wrong. I believe in the free market; just not in the unbridled free market. We can see how it mimics Darwinian "survival of the fittest" when it is used in its unalloyed form.

I would accept the Republicans' unyielding behavior in denying passage of the "Bailout" if I really thought that they believed it to be in the best interest of the general populace. But I believe their obstinance has more to do with their allegiance to the concept of the free market system, no matter what it wroughts.

If it were true survival of

If it were true survival of the fittest, there would be no bailout.
This is feudalism in its modern form.
The poor pay for the rich.
No wonder Jesus said it is harder for a rich man to go to heaven than it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle.

The love of money really is the root of all evil (note: it's not money itself--it's the love of money. When money becomes more important than morals, values, family and humanity, you have become truly evil. Money doesn't trump peace. Evil trumps peace).

A wise man once said...

Terry Pratchett said your true rich man will figure out a way to purée the camel and commission a very big needle.

That's a good metaphor for what the Republicans in Congress are doing right now.

That being the case...

...I know exactly where to put that needle.

:cheese:

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

a thought...

Idenil

I once saw a documentary ( I wish I could recall the name of it) in which the narrator stated that the term, 'the eye of a needle' was actually referencing a small needle shaped entrance to the holy temple in Jerusalem, apparently the only entrance to the inner temple, through which a man would have to crouch and bend to get through, he idea being that a man would have to bow to God before entering the house of the Lord.

The narrator further speculated that the Biblical reference to Camels and such, was much more literal than those of us far removed would be able to see. Also, in showing the footage of the actual entrance, the Narrator correctly showed that while this entrance was small enough that it would be extremely difficult to fit a camel through it, it would be far from impossible.

I believe and please correct me if I’m wrong, the quote states that it would be “more difficult for a rich man to go through the gates of Heaven that to fit a camel through the eye of a needle” no where does it state that it would be impossible?

not the temple

the city itself. it wasn't to prevent entry, rather to slow it. much like this emergency bailout.

It says the eye of "a"

It says the eye of "a" needle, not the eye of The Needle.

maybe he was refering to a needle.

either way, i think we can agree on his feelings for the rich.

Was THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE a WWII Spy Thriller?

Some Ken Follett novel that I never read, but saw the movie starring Donald Sutherland as a Nazi spy? This was back when casting Donald Sutherland as a Nazi spy seemed shocking, rather than now when it seems like typecasting.

The Space Needle?

The Space Needle?

hello my friends,

how about them REDSKINS !!

Biden/Palin Debate

Hi Rachel,
I love your show.
I have a question to ask that only you can answer. Why is it that Sarah Palin is being handled with kid gloves when it comes to her turn to debate ? Joe Biden has to be careful . Joe Biden can't be too hard on her. Why is everyone talking about being considerate of her feelings, being careful not to be too hard on her. Isn't she suppose to be up to the task of a vice presidential nominee ? If it's too hot for her, she should get out of the kitchen. Right ? She's already insulting Joe Biden when she said she heard about him when she was seven years old, referring to his age, so why shouldn't he give it back to her ? I am all for Joe Biden being himself . What do you think ?

It's about spin

The kid gloves need to be on to avoid the McCain campaign spin. If he looks like he's trying to beat up the girl, they'll make him look like a mean 'ole man.

It's really not necessary for him to attack her. The most effective thing he can do is talk about Obama and McCain. Palin doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, so making it look like she was part of the debate won't help. It wouldn't even tell anyone anything, everyone already knows that he is more qualified than her.

Bailout - Failout

FAILOUT ON BAILOUT
Hi Rachael,, I FELL MY CONCERN IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I AM WRITING TO ALL SENATORS WHO WILL LISTEN TO ME. Here goes my take on what can be done. WHY CAN'T THE GOVERNMENT BUY THE BAD MORTGAGES AND RE-WRITE THEM FOR THE HOME OWNERS AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE, SAY 5%. MY GRANDPARENTS HAD THAT DONE AFTER THE 1929 CRASH AND NOT ONLY DID THEY PAY OFF THEIR HOME THEY WERE ABLE TO AFFORD TO OPEN A BUSINESS. I FEEL AS IF WE, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ARE BEING FREIGHTENED INTO BELIEVING THIS BILL HAS TO GO THROUGH OR WE BURN AND CRASH. I'M SURE WE WILL TO SOME EXTENT. BUT GUESS WHAT TO ALL THE WALL STREET FAT CATS. WE HAVE ALREADY BURNT AND CRASHED. I LOST MY JOB IN JUNE, WITH IT WENT MY HEALTH INSURANCE. I LIVE IN A STATE WITH THE 2ND HIGHEST RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT. MY DISABLED HUSBAND HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET TOTAL DISABILITY FOR 10 YEARS ONLY TO KEEP GETTING DENIED. WE LIVE ON FOOD STAMPS. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ARE GETTING BY BECAUSE WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE ARE STRONG ND IT'S WHAT WE DO IN A CRISIS. GET UP AND KEEP ON KEEPING ON. NOW I HAVE TO WONDER THIS CRASH, IS IT REALLY US LITTLE GUYS OR IS IT WALL STREET HOT SHOTS. I WONDER IF ONE OF THEM WOULD LIKE TO BE ME FOR EVEN 1 WEEK. NOT THAT I WANT TO TRADE PLACES, NO WAY DO I WANTS TO BE THAT CALIBER OF PERSON. THEY REALLY HAVE TO STOP THINKING WE ARE STUPID AND INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE. WE WILL SURVIVE, WE ALREADY ARE. I FOR ONE DON'T WANT THEM TO CONTINUE TO EAT SURF & TURF WHILE I HAVE BEEN EATING MAC & CHEESE SINCE JUNE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL THOSE GUYS THEY MISSED IT. JUST LIKE JOHN MC CAIN MISSED THE WHOLE POINT WHEN HE DECIDED TO DISRUPT THINGS ON THE HILL LAST WEEK. I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT JUST AS I AM GETTING BY SO WILL OTHERS. AS I SAID, WE ARE AMERICANS, WE ARE STRONG. WE WILL NOT BE JUMPING OUT WINDOWS IF THE MARKET CRASHED. CAN WE SAY THE SAME FOR THOSE ON WALL STREET. WALL STREET SHOULD HAVE IT'S NAME CHANGED TO MAIN STREET AS A CONSTANT REMINDER OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. THANKS FOR LISTENING. MARILYN FROM WELAKA, FLORIDA

This is spam. Once was

This is spam. Once was enough. Do you have a problem with needing attention from your mother?

readability

Please turn off your 'caps lock' key and try to use paragraphs and sentences to separate thoughts

MARILYN

your grand parents are not DEAD BEATS. those CREDIT CRIMINALS are though. let me be clear those mortgage customers that promise to pay and then say after trashing the home , the hell with responsibility are DEAD BEATS !

what about the brokers

who know the borrowers don't qualify, but they get the junior partner to sign the docs. this isn't about bad consumers...well, maybe a little. mainly it's about a federal reserve that intended to cause harm by lowering interest rates and then kept lowering them. the anticipated result of low bank rates is investors to seek speculative returns. greed, declining dollar, rising commodities, then collapse of the whole scam.

if all these people: greenspan, bernake, paulson, cox, bush, cheny, etc. didn't do this intentionally then they are worse than crooks, they would have to be all mentally unfit for their jobs. which do you suppose it is?

stems back to 1992,

when republicans attempted to regulate the mortgage industries , the democrats said that it would not be FAIR to the lower class and would seem RACIST not to offer LOANS to folks that could not afford it. democrat BARNEY FRANK and FANNIE-FREDDIE big wig MR.RAINES ( OBAMAS' ECONOMY ADVISOR ) kept it up the last 15 years , and the DEAD BEATS started going into foreclosure all over the country ( CREDIT PLAGUE ). thats the CRUX !!!!

Prove that any of what you

Prove that any of what you just spouted is true.
You can't.

nice sock puppet.

i knew you were full of shit when you said republicans attempted to regulate an industry. you should've said they were drowning kittens. the industry is regulated. rules were broken and the current administration crooks in charge of enforcement turned a blind eye.

COMMIECAKES

you are actually saying the REPUBLICANS made no attempt to regulate the fannie mae and freddie mac banks, you need to study history and you will see , MY FRIEND that YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT !!!!!

Oh my god!

You're right! I'd better suspend my campaign!

If you're referring to

If you're referring to ACORN, that is a bunch of bull. ACORN had absolutely nothing to do with mortgages. Another lie being spread by the right.

Consider other voices on this issue, Moore, Kucinich

Michael Moore's comment today on this subject is being ignored, as is Dennis Kucinich's proposal. Rachel, take a look at them, try to include them in the conversation at AA/msnbc. They are offering a different take. I do think the Dems are allowing themselves and us to be railroaded into a bad answer to this crisis.

NYT scores an interview with one of the Somali pirates

They don't care particularly about the weapons aboard the Ukrainian freighter they took over, they just want cash:

thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/q-a-with-a-pirate-we-just-want-the-money/

Qusetion

Rachel,
Why are you saying the Failure of this $700 Bill is the 'fault'
of the Republicans? Should you not be giving them credit?
When your constituents ask you to vote against a Bill 100 to 1
(as you just finished saying on air) shouldn't that be called
a VICTORY for the taxpayer,
not a 'failure' that needs someone to blame?
I don't get it?!!!!
Please explain.
I'll admit that I might be missing something?!!!
And, last, NO, I'm not for either one of the lesser evils.
So it doesn't matter who you give the CREDIT to ... as long as
that is what it is ...........CREDIT !

"Should you not be giving them credit?" Yep & Progressive Dems 2

The oath of office explicitly mandates protecting the constitution that specifies that representatives advocate for third constituents, thus pressure from hierarchal authority, tit for tat intercourse with in the bodies, or K-Street quid pro quo do in fact fall under RICO violations. But since Nixon's virtual ban on Anti-Trust counter judgments, selective prosecution of the US CODE hade been defacto "justice" thus the preposterous NON stare decisis appointment of the shrub in '00.

Here's the list of mavericks that bucked the Paulson gang train robbery intent: www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-674&sort=party

Despite talk of a crisis being averted, many are skeptical as to whether the bailout will even restore confidence--and credit--to the banking system. As one report notes, "Doubts remain as to how it could immediately thaw the frozen money and credit market."

Even if the bailout somehow revives the banking sector, few economists think it will jumpstart the consumer credit machine. For one, over-leveraged, money-strapped banks will eagerly dump near-worthless securities on taxpayers for cash to bulk up their reserves. Plus, with working hours and wages declining, unemployment, home foreclosures and inflation surging, banks are in no mood to give consumers more credit, so consumption--and hence the economy--will continue to contract.

This is why the bill is a scam. For all the talk of transparency in the bailout, there has been zero transparency in the political process. We weren't allowed to see any details of the bailout other than the government will go on a shopping binge of buying toxic, mortgage-backed securities.

Our elected officials--who work for us--are trying to hide the fact that the fix is in. They are planning a shotgun wedding by slathering makeup on a rotting corpse, dumping it at the altar and hoping taxpayers don't catch on before we're trapped in a thirty-year marriage to pay for this financial debacle.

www.thenation.com/doc/20081013/benjamin_gupta/print

There are Wall Street speculators, lots of them, and the smart ones are doing very well cashing in on the enveloping depression, but they do not own most of the stocks in the hands of non-speculators like Mildred.

According to the Securities Industry Association, over half the households of America--something like 57 million families--own stocks directly or through mutual funds. McCain and Obama might bear in mind that this block of 100 million or so Americans are the very heart of the middle classes they both cannot praise enough.

www.thenation.com/doc/20080929/howl4/print

We have just experienced one example of a deflationary drop when the stock market took a nose dive and share prices went down at a sickening speed. In one day pension funds, 401(k)s, college savings accounts, charitable foundations, college and university endowments collectively lost $1.3 trillion. That's deflation of the brutal kind.

Other prices are deflating, too. People are delighted at the drop in oil prices, but other commodities heading south include copper, rubber, wheat, soy beans and corn.

And, of course, housing and real estate. It is hardly news at this point but until now, at least, it has been seen as an isolated catastrophe. Now, as things have developed, it is beginning to look like part of a major deflationary pattern. (Home prices have dropped more than 16 percent in the past year.) The world of business is too interlinked for a major sector to have a stand-alone price crash for any length of time without the other sectors getting on the down elevator too.

www.thenation.com/doc/20081013/howl2/print

What should be asked is why they're are selective in their adherence to their oath. Obviously the failure to IMPEACH is a blatant offence to the degree of criminal negligence, but this just in:

Why is a US Army brigade being assigned to the "Homeland"?
Salon - Sep 24, 2008

For more than 100 years -- since the end of the Civil War -- deployment of the US military inside the US has been prohibited under Posse Comitatus Act ...

General Tommy Franks stating that a major terror attack on US soil would mean the constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

The Pentagon reviewed the Posse Comitatus Act and determined that it would not be a violation to deploy the National Guard to protect critical infrastructure in some circumstances. He said he expects more presidential directives in the future to expand the military's homeland defense role.

Some say this is nothing new. In a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations in 2005, former US senator Gary Hart said American founders "created such an army and called it the militia: citizen-soldiers under the immediate command of the various states that can be deployed in times of emergency. Since the late 19th century these militias have been known as the National Guard, and they were created and given constitutional status as the first responders and the first line of defense in the case of an attack on our homeland". ...

Halt.

Stopp.

Why does George W. Bush hate America?

George W. Bush has taken down the American empire, the last undisputed superpower, more effectively than its enemies ever could have.

EDIT: Thanks to Dan Savage's brother for pointing out this headline from The Onion, originally published January 17, 2001:

"Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity Is Finally Over'"

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

the blame goes to ,

THOSE F_ _ _ _ _ G CREDIT CRIMINALS !!

"The Whole World is Hoping"

Current top headline on Spiegel-Online: "The whole world's hopes rest on the second vote. Warning, threatening and begging: Politicians and federal reserve bankers around the world are appealing to the U.S. Congress to agree as quickly as possible on the temporarily failed 700-billion-dollar aid package for the financial sector."

Me again: The only stock I owned was in two small banks in the tiny town where my parents grew up. It was intended to be a conservative long-term investment. Wachovia bought one of the banks, with Wachovia's non-money money. That stock has gone down over 90% in value since Feb. 2007.

Palin Bingo!

Hey Rachel,

We just put together a website we think you'll love: http://www.palinbingo.com

That's right, Palin Bingo. We put together a few sample cards for visitors to play with during Thursday's night debate, but the most fun is had making up your own (we've included a blank card for just that). Anyway, we hope you like it and maybe you could give it a quick mention on air. This is totally ad-free, non-profit and we claim no intellectual rights to this at all. Not that there's anything intellectual about it!

Steve & Brendan in New York!

Revised Bailout

Hi Rachel. A friend proposed this great idea for a bailout which would be to the American Family - not the District of Criminals:

Take that $700B and give it to every US citizen to use in any way they wish to. According to his calculations, it would amount to approximately $250,000 each. We would then be able to catch up on bills, buy homes, buy cars, invest as we see fit, start small businesses, bolster existing businesses, etc. This would stimulate our sick economy for sure.

Math

Your friend's math is off. $700B divided by 300M Americans comes out to about $2,300 per person.

"Your friend's math is off." it's an old chain letter

The compound interest will make the per capita debt $6,700, according to Kucinich on TRMS MSnbc tonight.

Incidentally that's less than what you are currently paying for the DoD, not including the $2.3T unaccounted for before 9/11/01.

Going Bankrupt
Why the Debt Crisis Is Now the Greatest Threat to the American Republic:

The United States finds itself in the anomalous position of being unable to pay for its own elevated living standards or its wasteful, overly large military establishment. Its government no longer even attempts to reduce the ruinous expenses of maintaining huge standing armies, replacing the equipment that seven years of wars have destroyed or worn out, or preparing for a war in outer space against unknown adversaries. Instead, the Bush administration puts off these costs for future generations to pay -- or repudiate. This utter fiscal irresponsibility has been disguised through many manipulative financial schemes (such as causing poorer countries to lend us unprecedented sums of money), but the time of reckoning is fast approaching.

There are three broad aspects to our debt crisis. First, in the current fiscal year (2008) we are spending insane amounts of money on "defense" projects that bear no relationship to the national security of the United States. Simultaneously, we are keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segments of the American population at strikingly low levels.

Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our manufacturing base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures -- so-called "military Keynesianism," which I discuss in detail in my book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic. By military Keynesianism, I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.

Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term health of our country. These are what economists call "opportunity costs," things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world's number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs -- an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing. Let me discuss each of these. ...

www.tomdispatch.com/post/174884

America's defense budget is now larger in inflation-adjusted dollars than at any point since the end of World War II, and yet our Army has fewer combat brigades than at any point in that period; our Navy has fewer combat ships; and the Air Force has fewer combat aircraft. Our major equipment inventories for these major forces are older on average than any point since 1946--or in some cases, in our entire history.

This in itself is a national disgrace. Spending hundreds of billions of dollars on present and future wars that have nothing to do with our national security is simply obscene. And yet Congress has been corrupted by the military-industrial complex into believing that by voting for more defense spending, they are supplying "jobs" for the economy. In fact, they are only diverting scarce resources from the desperately needed rebuilding of the American infrastructure and other crucial spending necessities into utterly wasteful munitions. If we cannot cut back our long-standing, ever-increasing military spending in a major way, then the bankruptcy of the United States is inevitable. As the current Wall Street meltdown has demonstrated, that is no longer an abstract possibility but a growing likelihood.

www.thenation.com/doc/20081013/johnson/print

www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/snider.pdf

::groan:: Singy - can't you just do this...somewhere else...?

I predict once you're banned (again), your NEXT nick will be something like "2001 Phantom Menace"....

Rachel show

Just tuned in for a few minutes to your new show.

Wow!!!!!!

How did you get on the air?

Those of us who like to think positive once in awhile might just wait until you are off the air.

Keith Olberdoof and you must have taken crap tv 101 together.

positive

How positive of you!

An insult from a liar who

An insult from a liar who never even watched a minute of her show. It's obvious from our comments. Just keep repeating the crap you hear others say. I guess using your own brain is just too hard.

Unfair coverage of Palin's newspaper reading habits

The gurl DOES read the paper. She just didn't want to give free publicity to The Onion. That liberal media, I tell you. Sheesh!

The Real Truth and What This Trash for a Website Will Never Tell

The same useless drivel from Air America that is somehow pandered to the US public as news. Want to talk about a failure in leadership - and the "news" from this reporter is solely focused on the Republican party. Somehow it escaped her mind - and his reporting - that a significant portion (read approximately 1/3 of the house democrats) voted no and to make matters worse many of Nacy Pelosi's leadership (read democratic US House committee chairman) voted no. Gee, why no mention of this as a "leadership failure"?

Want to place blame, start with the Clinton administration and their failed HUD program of November 2000 that was hailed as "new regulations to provided $2.4 trillion in mortgages for affordable housing for 28.1 million families." This allowed Fannie and Freddie (huge Democratic party contributors - see public records concerning contributions) to take part in the largest federal expansion of housing aid ever. This has been supported by leading Democrats ever since. Barney Frank is quoted as saying in 2003 "I do not see [any] possibility of serious financial losses to the treasury." and personally vouched for the "soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Moreover, Mr. Frank said the federal government has "probably done too little rather than too much to push them [Freddie & Fannie] to meet goals of affordable housing." (read government regulation that forced lending institutions including Fannie & Freddie to lend to sub-prime borrowers or face the risk of congressional interference in their business). Earlier this year Mr. Dodd, a leading Democrat in the Senate praised Fannie and Freddie for "riding to the rescue" when other financial institutions were cutting back on mortgage loans. He also said that they "need to do more" to help sub-prime borrowers get better loans. The magic words "affordable housing" and the ugly word "redlining" directly led to politicians directing where loans and investments should go by arm twisting private and semi-private lending institutions through vehicles such as the Community Reinvestment Act and other coercive actions and threats to restrict their business and business practices. Freddie and Fannie, backed by and "implicit" taxpayer guarantee, bought hundreds of billions of these sub-prime loans, repackaged them into comparable credit worthiness bundles, and then resold them to investors.

But somehow Ms. Pelosi sees this mess as President Bush's fault. Let’s examine this a little further. As far back as 1992, then President Clinton is quoted as saying, Democrats have been "resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me... to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." In 2003, President Bush proposed what the NY Times called “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago." The plan called for a new regulator for Fannie and Freddie, one that could boost capital mandates and look at how they managed risk. This came after regulators uncovered a scheme by Fannie and Freddie executives to overstate earnings by $10.6 billion to boost exec bonuses. What did the Democratic leadership do with this proposal - they killed it. Mr. Frank (then ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee) is quoted as saying "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not facing any kind of financial crisis." Mr. Melvin Watt, a Democrat from N. Carolina accused the Bush administration of "weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing." And somehow the Speaker of the House has the gall to blame this on the Bush administration as
“…the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies — policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision and no discipline in the system."

A real reporter would have researched her vote on the matter when more oversight and regulation of Freddie and Fannie was proposed by the Bush administration – my guess is it wouldn’t be flattering to her or her party.

Want to blame the Republicans in general and Senator McCain in specific for failing to deal with this crisis. Think again. In 2005, then Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan testified in front of Congress: “We are placing the total financial system of the future at substantial risk.” That same year, Senator McCain, one of three sponsors of a Freddie-Fannie reform bill (S.190), said: “If congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole.” In response, Mr. H. Reid, a democrat from Nevada, accused the GOP of trying to “cripple the ability of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to carry out their mission of expanding home ownership.” The bill that Senator McCain sponsored failed to pass.

Fannie and Freddie are entities that were created and largely regulated by a Democratically controlled Congress, managed by mostly former Democratic party officials, and have been very large contributors to the Democratic party.

As usual Air America never lets facts get in the way of a good “spin job” and neither does the Democratic party. Let’s see, the Democrats created Freddie and Fannie, their majority in Congress for most of the existence of these entities has been the regulator, the Democrats are the largest recipients of Freddie/Fannie political contributions - as is Presidential candidate Obama, Fannie and Freddie are managed largely by former Democratic party officials (one of whom now sits on Mr. Obama’s election campaign committee) and the Democratic party has smothered all attempts at more oversight and regulation - and then they attempt to hoodwink, no - commit outright fraud, by blaming the Bush administration and the Republicans for this debacle. It seems the American public has the memory span of about 15 minutes and the Democrats use this to their advantage at every opportunity, and Air America helps them do it.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

The same useless drivel from Air America that is somehow pandere

As much biased drivel as you think the show is, it can't hold a candle to Limbaugh, Hannity , O"Reilly, and those other beacons of objectivity on the Radical Right!

So I guess the question is, is it too much to ask why you are tuning in to it?

I'LL ANSWER THAT.

this life long democrat began to have an open mind and view both left and right points of view and it became obvious that the DEMOCRATIC party went to the extreme left RADICAL view of political buisiness. which is a DAMN shame. like never before the OBAMA news networks out there are so full of SLIMY actions and comments .the primary reason i support MCCAIN is due to the FAR LEFT WING RADICAL NUTZ. MCCAIN / PALIN 2008 !! CLINTON 2012 !!

SPOT ON HIFLYER767 !

thanks for the REAL facts. i agree that AMERICA needs to WAKE UP !!!

bailout

It is common knowledge that the people begging for the bailout and will be deciding where and in whose bank accounts that enormous amount of money gets allocated, are the same people that ran their financial house so negligently that they forced themselves into the situation where they need taxpayer help to guarantee their survival as an institution!

Everybody says that giving Wall Street a bank-busting 700 Billions of taxpayer dollars to buy up all those millions of useless mortgages, that nobody can pay for, and also to infuse money into the markets so they can extend credit, is going to be the best thing we can do for Main Street, because it will give money back to the banks, that couldn't use their own money wisely to begin with, so they can lend it out as credit again to help small businesses, home purchases, and car buyers, etc!

Here's a novel ides, instead of throwing 700 billion dollar's worth of good money after all that bad and hoping it works out THIS time, why not give some money to the people directly?

There are 300+ million people in the US, why not give each one of voting age a check from the Government for one million dollars? The Government will collect most of it back as taxes first on that million dollar income and then on the a sundry of other taxes as we spend it. The people can finally pay off their homes instead of being foreclosed on, that would go a long way in eliminating, most - if not ALL, of the inventory of those useless paper mortgages! The housing market becomes liquid again and home values would increase. They will use more of that money to pay their bills instead of having to file bankruptcy - saving the industry untold millions in lost revenue and help unclog our legal system in the same process!

Yes! People with some extra money will invest again and maybe those that could never have done so in the past will now be added to the equation and Wall Street ALSO wins by having a larger investor pool!

The BEST argument is that giving each voting age American a million dollars will create more revenue and tax streams from the ground up by people SPENDING again, and $300 million is certainly a lot, lot cheaper and a better use than giving Wall Street $700 Billion that we don't have as a reward for their incompetence and is more palatable to Americans than rewarding the unfettered greed of financial conglomerates and Wall Street speculators!

The people win, the Government wins, Wall Street wins and we don't have to spend 10-20 times that 300 million on a bailout that would have questionable results at best!

I can't think of a more sensible thing to do to help Americans and get the economy back on track than presenting individual Americans with a gift of enough money to finally get a step up from the poverty that this economy is creating for those of us who are trapped because we live on Main Street and not on Wall Street and who have little or no support from either!!

Absolutely! this bailout is stupid.

There must be a million ways to fund a recovery other than another loan from China. Large volume stock market transaction taxes sound good. I also like the idea of giving judges reset authority. = authority to restructure mortgages etc. Then people would go back to paying their mortgages, and the paper backed by them will regain some value. The economy would get better on its own.

After that you could go ahead and give every voter a million bucks & still come out ahead by a factor of many many zeros.

wait -- wrong math

if you give 300 million people $1 that = $300 million
If you give them each 1 million dollars each, that = 300 million million --- which is 3 trillion, I think. Is that right?

WOW !

SIGN ME UP !

Definition of "leadership"

I have wondered what Americans define as "leadership" ever since my Appalachian high school graduation, when it turned out you could get money for it. Viz., to wit: apparently there were some small local college scholarships for students at my high school who displayed "leadership." I was shocked. If only I'd known they existed, I might have been able to do something to win some of that sorely needed money! Strangely enough, all those scholarships went to the student council president and prom queen, just like all the other scholarships. So "leadership" is a popularity contest judged by uninformed voters? I started asking around, to find out what "leadership" the local worthies were seeking, what their criteria were for awarding that money. Not one of the teachers, including the teachers who had in fact submitted the names of the student council president and the prom queen to the business community for the scholarships, could tell me what the "leadership" in question was. Clearly, name recognition. Probably, not getting caught. Maybe, clear skin, a tight butt and a different outfit every day (PALIN 2012!!!!). As you get older, does "leadership" mean a high sales quota?

Now McCain is playing around with that same word in Columbus, OH.

Leadership

B_B, you're making me reconsider the meaning of the leadership award I was awarded in h.s., the plaque for which still hangs in my parents' house. Yikes, am I one of "them"? Can this be offset by my scholar-athlete awards? Or h.s. trivia bowl team captaincy? Or perhaps my knowledge of famous Supreme Court cases? Or U.S. and world newspapers?

:winky:

Awards

A friend of mine received an award and certificate for "Most Improved on Trampoline" at summer camp in 1969. At the very least, I think it says something about, if not leadership, then maybe persistence and risk-taking? I envy her -- wish I could claim to be "Most Improved on Trampoline."

Most Improved on Trampoline

Now there's a goal to which you can strive to achieve before next year's big birthday. Go for it!

p.s. Re: "persistence and risk-taking" sounds like John McCain could've received this award in his younger days...

chemgirl,

hahahahahahahahaha, that is so funny! what was OBAMA doing in his EARLY years ? oh yea, SMOKING and SELLING drugs !

almost forgot ,

OBAMA also began his 20 plus year membership to the TRINITY CHURCH OF HATE and decided in his early years to have the leader of that church REV.WRONG become his MENTOR !!

i hate obama nutz

Bah Bye!

:::waving:::

hey polly ,

based on your garbage verbage you must be one of those CREDIT CRIMINALS, you know one of them DEAD BEATS that signed a document saying i promise to make my monthly mortgage payments and later said the hell with it and let your house foreclose. or maybe it was your mommie.

really he's not,

OBAMA is not actually gonna give you a 1989 HONDA with SPINNERS for your VOTE !

Yo, Trollboy? I'll Settle for a President Who,

Unlike the Traitors Bush and McBush, doesn't wear his swastika on his sleeve....

swastica ?

i got more FEAR with OBAMA wearing his FARAKHAN BOW TIE then i do with MCCAIN and a SWASTIKA !!

OBAMA,

Luckily, I own my home lock stock and barrel (that means NO mortgage in case you're not sure) and it's a shame that there are so many that are not as lucky.

By the way, your new moniker is particularly vulgar, not that it surprises any of us...

What's that address...

...for Bob again?

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

capn,

you must be that little kid from school that was such a tattle telling little P_ _ _ Y !

Cap'n - your fingers don't know it by heart by now?

It's aarsupport@gmail.com - right, Trollboy? Surely you've gotten enough e-mails from him when he's banned you under your LAST several guises....

trying to keep up..

trying to keep up the the slimy sarcastic garbage you and your OBAMA nutz are spewing... i am glad to hear you paid off your TRAILOR , hope you left the wheels on,in case you get kicked out of the TRAILOR PARK !

Okay, try this one

Name the artist and/or song:

"The police force is watching the people/And the people just can't understand/We don't know how to mind our own business/Cause the whole world's got to be just like us/Now we are fighting a war over there/No matter who's the winner, we can't pay the cost".

Addendum: All right, this was supposed to be tacked on to the thread about "song lyric guessing", obviously. How it got here, I couldn't say, but I'll bet Karl Rove was involved somehow. And Satan. But I repeat myself.

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

Thanks, cap'n!

Had to google it, then had to download it :)

C'mon, tell us what it is

I haven't googled it.

Hesse

It's by a "wolf" that lives on the "steppes."

BB, actually

Hermann Hesse has been one of my favorite writers. I first read him when I was 16 (Steppenwolf) and that was it, I was a true diehard fan ever since.

By the way, my mum's family were Mennonites (or Pennsylvania Dutch) years ago and I still have many of their books that are at least 100 years old. My other half reads German, but I'm afraid I never learned...thus the books remain closed. Perhaps one day...

The "Monster" medley

by Steppenwolf, c. 1970. Still true almost 40 years later. Depressing, isn't it?

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

Dig it

I like this song too. (Please don't get me wrong, because these lyrics can be worked around to argue against rotten incumbents who commit other crimes, like starting freaking wars and then bankrupting the world.)

Starin' at the boob tube, turnin' on the big knob
Tryin' to find some life in the waste land.
Fin'ly found a program, gonna deal with Mary Jane
Ready for a trip into hate land.
Obnoxious Joe comes on the screen
Along with his guest, self-righteous Sam.
And one more guy who doesn't count
His hair and clothes are too far out.

While pushin' back his glasses Sam is sayin' casually
"I was elected by the masses."
And with that in mind he starts to unwind
A vicious attack on the finest of grasses!

Well, it's evil, wicked, mean and nasty.
(Don't step on the grass, Sam.)
And it will ruin our fair country.
(Don't be such an ass, Sam.)
Well, it will hook your Sue and Johnny.
(You're so full of bull, Sam.)
All will pay that disagree with me.
(Please give up you already lost the fight, all right.)

Misinformation Sam and Joe
Are feeding to the nation.
But the one who didn't count counted them out
By exposing all their false quotations.
Faced by a very awkward situation
This is all he'd say to save the day.

Well, it's evil, wicked, mean and nasty.
(Don't step on the grass, Sam.)
And it will ruin our fair country.
(Don't be such an ass, Sam.)
Well, it will hook your Sue and Johnny.
(You're so full of bull, Sam.)
All will pay that disagree with me.
(Please give up you already lost the fight, all right.)

You waste my coin Sam, all you can
To jail my fellow man
For smoking all the noble weed.
You need much more than him.
You've been telling lies so long.
Some believe they're true.
So they close their eyes to things
You have no right to do.
Just as soon as you are gone
Hope will start to climb.
Please don't stay around too long.
You're wasting precious time.

Now seque into...

...God! Damn! The pusher-man!

"I don't like to be pushin' athwart me betters."--Long John Silver

You say it was this morning

You say it was this morning when you last saw your good friend
Lyin' on the pavement with a misery on his brain
Stoned on some new potion he found upon the wall
Of some unholy bathroom in some ungodly hall
He only had a dollar to live on 'til next Monday
But he spent it on some comfort for his mind
Did you say you think he's blind?

Someone should call his parents, a sister or a brother
And they'll come to take him back home on a bus
But he'll always be a problem to his poor and puzzled mother
Yeah he'll always be another one of us
He said he wanted Heaven but prayin' was too slow
So he bought a one way ticket on an airline made of snow
Did you say you saw your good friend flyin' low?
Flyin' low
Dyin' slow

Thoughtful 68er tunes

You know, listening to these thoughtful songs from ca. 1970, against corrupt politicians and war, and for discussion, learning, fixing things, and pulling together to form a progressive majority: it is borne in upon me that we're still fighting fallout from the Nixon administration. Dick Cheney thought Nixon got a bum deal. Dick Cheney thought Nixon should have ended up dictator-for-life with epaulets on his sleeve. Dick Cheney set out to make his teflon scion a "unitary executive," able to declare war on the world and steal all the money. While, oh yes, simultaneously drowning the planet with the combustion by-products of his oil company and creating giant mercenary armies answerable to no one. What is up with that guy?

Not Just Cheney, BB

All during the Bill Clinton impeachment I kept thinking, "This generation of Republicans really has never forgiven America for Watergate, have they?" Even after it nearly totaled their party in the midterms, they kept after it like rabid weasels until some cooler heads prevailed and finally settled for just censuring Clinton - unfortunately, for all the wrong reasons.

The problem is, ever since Reagan got elected President we've been living in a Right-Wing Bizarro World version of America - which I guess means Reagan was Bizarro, George I was Lex Luthor (the retconned corporate slimeball one), Clinton is Morgan Edge, Shrub is Parasite - and Cheney is Mr. Mxyzptlk...or maybe Darkseid.

Trampoline and leadership

1) Just thinking about a trampoline makes my knee hurt. Let's blame that big rig that lost it's breaks going downhill on the same road I was traveling uphill. Oh! Wait! It WAS the big rig with no breaks on that freeway that f****d up my knee!

2) My experience with leadership is that it means putting yourself out there in the public eye. So the people you mentioned B_B, would indeed be considered leaders.

A while back I participated in a quasi protest at a Nanci Pelosi town hall meeting. Mostly we wanted her to be aware of a certain immigration bill that Biorythmatist uses in her sig. All we did was stand at the back of the room holding signs with broken hearts.

Well, Pelosi thanked us all for our "leadership." I never forgot about that. She made a general statement about everyone in the room and called us all leaders simply for showing up... Since then I've been wondering the definition of "leadership."

Later on, I ran into a quote... "Get involved, the world is run by those who show up." And since leaders run the world...... showing up must have something to do with it.:)

PS: The funny thing about the Pelosi thang was that we were there to pressure her, but we ended up being her saving grace.

The meeting was dominated by two opposing groups: one pro Israel, and the other pro Palestine... it got ugly! To top it off, the whole thing was peppered by the confrontational questions from the Green Party candidate running against Pelosi. He was even taping her.... So in the end she relied on us to get some breathing room, and at the very end of the event we were asked to create a human wall around her to help her get out of the room. LOL. We went there to demand her support, and ended up saving her. I can't remember if she thanked our "leadership" for having done that. HAHAHAHAHAHA

You too, Chemgirl?

Well, in my case it was my framed membership plaque, NFL ruby pin, and Lion's Club award for public speaking....

Oh, yeah - I was a good little Junior Republican when I was growing up...but I got better. ;)

Awright.

Cards on the table. Marbles trophy in third grade.

(So proud!)

Putting my Scout badges to the side...

I captured the first place DAR medal for my brilliant, moving essay on Benjamin Franklin when I was eight. I was also the editor, author, reporter, printer, and distributor of a for-kids'-eyes-only newspaper for the gang of elementary school kids in my neighborhood. It even had a masthead, an advice column, classified ads, and comic strips.

But my crowning achievement (from age 5 to 11) was being denominated by my mother's bridge club as "high strung and clever." The title was bestowed by unanimity. Where I'm from, that's high compliment, at least when applied by the matriarchs to a grade school girl.

I don't think this qualifies as leadership, but I can truthfully say that I always want the high strung and clever girls among us on my side.

Shout out to John McCain

In the immortal words of En Vogue:

No, you're never gonna get it.
Never ever gonna get it.
Not this time.
Had your chance to make a change.

I remember how it used to be.
You never was this nice, you cared for me.
Now you're talking like you'll never change.
The more you talk the more things sound the same.
I just sit back and watch you make a fool of yourself,
Because you're wasting your time.

No, you're never gonna get it.
Never ever gonna get it.
Not this time.
Had your chance to make a change.

Now you promise me the moon and stars.
Save your breath, you won't get very far.
Gave you many chances to make change.
The only thing you changed was love to hate.

No, you're never gonna get it.
Never ever gonna get it.
Not this time.
Had your chance to make a change.

Yes sir. I give to the needy, and not the greedy.
Mm-hmm, that's right.
'Cause you see, baby,
When you like it, you lose it.
And I'm not that down.

(And now it's time for McCain's breakdown.)

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pwOiC8aJrs for the melody, a glimpse of what MTV used to bring, and the young Dennis Miller.]

I'm loving the song references

But B_B, can you leave out the artist's name the next time you do this? That way, we can make it into a little contest, and I can unload more crap from my desk/office. NJSharon reports that she has received her "prize" (a small quartz elephant from India) for her correct identification of EMF as the "You're Unbelievable" songsters from last week's name that tune/group!

Deal!

It's a deal! What fun :)

NO Bailout!!!

Senators and congress do not be fooled. You are being lead to the bridge to nowhere and being asked to jump off. Backing the Wall Street bailout is political suicide. If there is to be any bailout it should only be as an insurance policy to protect depositor’s, pension funds, 401Ks and tax payers’ mortgages, that is it! Wall Street is virtually based. It is speculation, greed, popular opinion, manipulation, persuasion and anticipation of a return. NO BAILOUT! Keep telling Wall Street its coming until the market stabilizes. Continue to calm the American people as you have been doing. Remember the original Bailout was authored by Bush the same person who rushed us into a war with Iraq. Your failure is the Bush administration's success. Let the banks buy each other out then write an anti-trust bill to bust them up and force them to become smaller competitive companies that will never threaten our economy again. Henry Paulson, the Bush appointed secretary of the treasury comes from the same problem that needs to be corrected. He can not be trusted! He already received his money and golden parachute from Goldman Sachs and now you want to turn over $700 billion dollars for him to disburse without or with little controls and no legal remedy if all goes wrong. Where is the accountability? The new bill with all of its added bells and whistles is still a bad bill. It is just more lipstick on a bloody pig. There is a solution however the bailout is not it. We are going to be in crisis mode no matter what we do. There should be no need to lose $700 billion on top of it. New markets will emerge. Let the old markets die a painful death as they so rightfully deserve. The mere thought of a bailout sent the market to rally today. Why isn’t that telling you something? Purchasing bad loans, loans that Wall Street can no longer package and sell only passes the non-recoupable loss to the taxpayer and you are about to sign off on this. It is overwhelming the American people do not want the bailout and you will be held accountable for supporting a bill the American people do not want. The American people are counting on you to lead and lead them with courage, integrity, honesty and resolve. This is why you have our vote. We trust you not to lose it.

Crybaby house r’s

“Wahh, Pelosi made me feel responsible for the consequences of my actions. for a second. Wahh”
It looks like they tried to trick the dems into passing the bailout without them -- So they could campaign against it, & get the bailout anyway. weasely.
The dems should shove it back down their throat by passing abunch of extremely popular proposals. eg mortgage bailout, regulation, get a Warren Buffet deal for the gov/taxpayer, infrastructure spending, S-Chip, whatever - Shoot the Moon, because the r’s will kill it in senate anyway. But Depending on how desperate they are for some cash, it could be possible to get something decent passed into law.

seems to me,

OBAMA should be prez. due to his smarts in REAL ESTATE, you know the DEAL of the century he made with REAL ESTATE CROOK MR. REZKO on that million dollar home he lives in. i also feel he will be successful defending terror on the U.S.A. due to having a close PERSONAL FRIEND that is a NON-REPENTING TERRORIST you know MR. AYERS .OBAMA will favor citizens that are black ( said IT in his novel ) and to get additional GUIDANCE he will visit with his MENTOR the U.S.A.,WHITE MAN BASHING man of GOD himself THE REV. WRIGHT . O.K. i can RELAX, everything is gonna be just fine and dandy for the U.S.A. !

>>WHITE MAN BASHING

really? this is your argument? Obama's gonna oppress the man who would otherwise be keeping us down? This reads to me like 'Waaaah'

zoom,

you are obviously one of them RACIST african americans !! p.s. statistics say you are probably one of them CREDIT CRIMINALS !! you DEADBEAT you.

Air America's Customer Service

To contact Air America's Customer Service, simply email:
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Direct all correspondence to BOB, he will be quite helpful and speedy with your requests.

ITS OBVIOUS,

that you too are one of those RACIST african americans. the next debate your OBAMA boy wiil be wearing his FARAKHAN bow tie.

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