Does the word pander mean something other than what i THINK it means?
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McCAIN: Republican Presidential Debate, November 28th: I would hope that we would understand, my friends, that life is not 24 and Jack Bauer. Life is interrogation techniques which are humane and yet effective. And I just came back from visiting a prison in Iraq. The army general there said that techniques under the army field manual are working and working effectively, and he didn't think they need to do anything else. My friends, this is what America is all about. This is a defining issue and, clearly, we should be able, if we want to be commander in chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, to take a definite and positive position on, and that is, we will never allow torture to take place in the United States of America (APPLAUSE)
RACHEL MADDOW: Big round of applause everyone. John McCain’s against torture! (Fake Applause sound effect) And what a position of moral high ground to stand on from which to make that case. The man was torture! He was a prisoner of war and the North Vietnamese tortured him. John McCain is against torture. John McCain says to an audience of republicans even applauding him for this, John McCain says the army field manual is the appropriate standard for American interrogators! John McCain is for banning torture as a matter of American principle!
Also? John McCain just voted against banning torture. What? Yeah. Specifically on the grounds that he doesn’t think the army field manual is the appropriate standard for all American interrogators. That’s his explanation. That clip that I just played of John McCain being against torture was from November 28th. That was from not that many weeks ago. He was against torture then, now he’s for it.
At what point do we stop saying that John McCain is a straight talker?!
The headline in the rightwing Washington Times today, I kid you not. This is the headline, quote, “McCain refuses to pander.”(laughter)
That issue of the Washington Times came out this morning, which means that someone’s job at the Washington Times was to okay that headline, as John McCain, was pandering to the republican right by voting in favor of torture.
John McCain voted against the bush tax cuts twice until he decided to pander to the right by reversing himself and voting to make them permanent. John McCain campaigned on passing an economic stimulus package quickly to counteract the recession! Until he decided to pander to the right by not showing up for that vote. John McCain campaigned as the anti torture guy; the one anti torture guy in the whole republican field! Until he decided to pander to the right and vote against the exact torture ban that he’d proposed.
And then the headline in the rightwing press, in the Washington Times this morning – “McCain refuses to pander.”
Does the word pander mean something other than what I think it means? Because otherwise? I’m confused.








This is just sad.
Here's Hillary's latest attempt to connect with young voters.
I don't know who told her that this would be "cool", but they're the next staffer she should fire.
Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.
I see....
...a bunch of energetic clean-cut middle American working- and middle-class kids.
Clearly not Obama's audience.
And your problem with her mining new votes is....?
"Cool" doesn't win Presidential elections. Ask Ted Kennedy.
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Sorry, blog-boy...
...but as a scion of the working class myself, as well as a music aficianado, I gotta go with the Fawkester here. All this combination of the Jackson Five with political hackery and open, blatant pandering is going to accomplish, if anything, is to amp-up young folks' already-low opinion of the adult world. I know it does mine.
And "clean-cut"? What, were they "articulate", too?
I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!
Most of the kids I saw were white, Cap'n
Why are you making this into a "race" thing, or is that the fallback option of all you O-Bombers?
I merely said that the type of voter she's appealing to is not the kind that Obama appeals to, and if you bothered to pick up a newspaper and analyze the polling data, you'd see precisely what this is targeting.
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"O-bomber"?
Non-sequiturs like that are why I don't read your blog, no matter how much you post it here. Well, that, and your propensity for leaping to false conclusions. For your information, I don't support him--or her, either. Sorry if that upsets your preconceived notions.
And "race"? Just because I took your statement about "clean-cut" to its illogical conclusion?
I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!
If it was illogical, Cap'n Underpants...
,,,then shut the fuck up, since it made less sense than any non-sequitor you claim I've posted here.
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My, my
Must have struck a nerve.
I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!
Submitted by capn_crusty on February 17, 2008 - 9:02am
:lol:
The Hillbots sure are getting shrill. I've never seen that guy post anything beyond spamming his blog link.
They can at least admit that that video is freaking awful. That mixture of the Jackson Five & Sesame Street can't appeal to anyone over the age of 5.
Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.
Submitted by actor212 on February 16, 2008 - 8:07am
And your problem with her mining new votes is...?
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Mining new votes?
:lol:
Those were constituencies she's already been winning.
That video was apparently designed not for mining new votes, but to hold onto the last of the ones she has by dividing once again.
The play on the Jackson 5 as done by the Osmonds?
White women galore?
I got a kick out of the focus feature of the Asian voter too.
But divisive? What am I talking about? After all, the lead singer was Token!
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"In the face of impossible odds, people who love their country can change it." --Barack Obama
If this really originates from the HRC camp
And it wouldn't surprise me much...
This video, in and of itself, is proof positive that she does not have the good judgement we need in a president.
I'm being sardonic, but I'm not being facetious. (Is there an emoticon for that?)
Dammit!
A Good Man Is Gone!
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OHNOES! Poor SJerseyIndy!
Uh Oh...Barack = War In Iraq after all?
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Submitted by stalker212 on February 16, 2008 - 10:11am
Poor Carl.
Nobody clicks his Spam links on the frontpage where he gets kicked around worse than on his own shitty blog. So he spreads his Spam elsewhere for others to ridicule and ignore.
Seems you get the same treatment here, though, Carl.
People no likey your Spammy.
Not nearly as much as you apparently like me anyway...
as evidenced by your stalking me on the AAR blogs.
:kiss:
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"In the face of impossible odds, people who love their country can change it." --Barack Obama
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Hillary tells Code Pink they are wrong
Watch Hillary Explain to Code Pink why she disagrees with them two weeks before the war.
She knew better. She just loved playing the polls and raking in the defense contractor money.
Well now the polls are different and she isn't doing so well bringing in the money is she?
Ta for the transcripting,
Ta for the transcripting, Mr. Einenkel - these are terrific for sharing = )
& the bickering is irritating & a bit silly - I'm w/ Rachel & am not particularly attached to either candidate. Tho I tend to agree w/ many that Obama may have bigger coattails/inspirationalness/electability than Hilary, I'll be voting for whichever candidate gets the nomination - of course!
John Edwards for Att'y General!
Here's the latest George Carlin rant.
Enjoy.
I'm talking to you, capn. ;-)
Support the Troops.
End the Occupation.
George Carlin...
...for God!
:lol:
I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!
Video, Obama vs. Clinton, etc.
I admit that I couldn't withstand more than 30 sec of the video. More than anything, it reminded me of the sort of evangelical sing-in that one could see in the documentary, "Jesus Camp," for example. Creepy and weird.
Not to mention, the Jackson 5 deserve much better.
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At a Chemistry dinner last night, a very heated exchange broke out between two people at my table, which then spread to the rest of us. Topic: Clinton vs. Obama. I was heartened that there was so much passion and knowledge of the candidates and the issues on both sides, which speaks to overall Democratic voter enthusiasm (we know already to be the case from voter turnout). However, the debate became so "enthusiastic" that I thought we might have one of the original parties storm out in disgust. That did not happen...
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... Well, it didn't happen until the topic turned to: baseball. And the debate morphed from Clinton vs. Obama to, yep, Red Sox vs. Yankees. I find it amusing/entertaining/amazing (choose your descriptor) that we could have a relatively civil yet pointed debate about politics, but when Sox vs. Yankees took over, it devolved into an argument that ended in the originating parties calling each other an idiot.
Obviously you don't hang out in the same chatroom as I
The sports talk is good-humored, but since Stupor Tuesday the political sniping has descended to levels of vituperation usually reserved for religious arguments in the Middle-east.
It's gonna be a loooooooong 8.5 mos.
:-P
I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I'm a'gonna die here; an' no sidewindin', bushwackin', hornswaglin', cracker-croaker is gonna ruin my biscuit-cutter!