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Israeli ground troops briefly entered Lebanon today in a series of raids, continuing the weekend’s fighting that left the death toll mounting on both sides. Meanwhile, President Bush’s unconditional support for Israel further isolated the U.S. at the G8 summit, where, inadvertently speaking into an open mike, Bush shared his plan with Tony Blair: “What they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this s---.”
WWIII
Here we go, time to choose sides.
Hmm... freedom and democracy
Hmm... freedom and democracy or religious totalitarianism... On the one hand, you have to allow all points, regardless of base, to be made... but on the other, you get to be executed for converting to Christianity! What a choice!
Keep in mind that......
.......Israel, too, is a religious state. It's "democracy" is not unbridled.
And, Randy, you're showing your con-authoritarian petticoats, the binary world veiw.....there are rarely just two choices, and having too many choices, too many factions, is one of the major problems of the middle east and the Pal/Is contentiousness. Israeli's aren't homogenous nor are the Palestinians/Arabs.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
yes Israel is a religous state
I know, as a Buddhist, that Buddhism is illegal in Israel. Buddhists, even visitors and foreign workers and exchange students, are not allowed to tell others they practice Buddhism, and are not allowed to communicate with other Buddhists. So much for this "Western Democracy"....
wow, so Israel is tolerant of other beliefs...
Not.
That pretty much blows their PR campaign out
of the water....
"He who allows oppression, shares the crime." : Erasmus Darwin
...except it's not true
I'd like to see your source for this claim of non-tolerance of Buddhists in Israel. This sounds like the old wives' tale that non-Jews can't own land in Israel--totally false, but it doesn't stop deluded Israel-bashers from repeating it.
Where did you get that?
Where did you get the idea that Bhuddists are not allowed to practice Bhudism in Israel. The law is that non-Jewish religions are not allowed to offer financial inducement to convert. This has not stopped Christian missionaries who do just that, providing food and meals to poor Jews at a cost that they must come to hear their preaching (at least if they want more than one load of food). Christians routinely seek converts in Israel, although it is considered very inappropriate culturally. Also, Ynet.com reported last week that, according to the Israeli government, a record number of Israelis have converted to Islam this year (72). Do you have a citation to a specific law? I looked on the net and couldn't find any law that bans the teaching of Bhudism in Israel, other than specific commandments in the Bible.
As far as Israel being a "religious state" I think we differ. It is a Jewish state, however, it is run by secular Jews and religious Jews are kept at arms length; if they are included in the government, they are given limited power. Jewish religious law is not applied except for family law issues. However, there are also Islamic and Christian courts that deal with family law issues for their community. In the area of secular law, Israel has Moslem Arab members of its parliament and sitting as judges.
A So-Called Democracy Based On Apartheid, and Racism
Here are some facts about this so-called democracy
At the end of each paragraph section is the Author and source of the information.
Why doesn’t Israel, “the only democracy in the Middle East,
Thanks for Naming Your "Source"
Any information from ifamericansknew, zionazi, or any other such Web horror should be taken with a SACK of salt. Total skinhead anti-Semites.
hmmmm . . . Methinks . . .
you may be protesting too much.
While there is a great deal of responsibility to spread around the middle east, in lieu of responding with factual evidence you resort to name-calling and vitriol. You have a right to your opinion but referring to career foreign service officers, ambassadors, former US congressmen, et al, as "Total skinhead anti-Semites" will not win you much support for your premises and conclusions.
Is it possible you are merely a troll ??? When confronted with a factual criticism you deny the factual criticism, attack your critic and claim the comments are dishonest, anti-Semitic and divisive.
hmmmmmm . . . ..
And I Should Care What You Think--Why?
"you may be protesting too much."
Until the anti-Semites stop spreading their Nazi rehash, no protest is excessive.
"While there is a great deal of responsibility to spread around the middle east, in lieu of responding with factual evidence you resort to name-calling and vitriol. You have a right to your opinion but referring to career foreign service officers, ambassadors, former US congressmen, et al, as "Total skinhead anti-Semites" will not win you much support for your premises and conclusions."
What they have written at the Web sites in question puts them firmly in the "Israel has no right to exist" camp. I'm not going to waste my time legitimizing them by treating them as "just another opinion."
"Is it possible you are merely a troll ???"
No. It is not.
"When confronted with a factual criticism you deny the factual criticism, attack your critic and claim the comments are dishonest, anti-Semitic and divisive."
I have been "confronted" with nothing. An anti-Semitic propagandist has abused this forum by spreading Jew-bashing filth from known, discredited liars. By your logic, I should "hear out" the KKK, Hamas, and other hate groups. After all, if they have a Web site, their opinion must be legitimate--right?
And that's all the typing I'm going to waste on YOU.
Nonsense!
I have lived in Israel all my life- the post about not being allowed to be a Buddhist is complete nonesense.
If, in the end, it boils
If, in the end, it boils down to our way or not our way, I hope you would pick our way. After all, ideology aside, we all benefit from the American way of life.
I will concede that we are nowhere near that fence.
Depends on what your .........
.............definition of "benefit" is.
The Iraqis may not think our foreign policy from a bomb bay particularly benefits them overmuch.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
this was reported by an
this was reported to me directly by an American Buddhist leader who is himself ethnically Jewish and raised Jewish - as told to him directly by a temporary worker who was in Israel, and found that she had to keep her Buddhist practice a secret to avoid goverment persecution and arrest. If this person had misunderstood this during her time in Israel, I apologize.
It's not all peaches and gravy in Israel...
Talk about freedom and democracy with the
Israeli Arabs. How do you say 'Jim Crow' in Hebrew?
By the way, when did the AAR forum become a Freeper
suckfest?
one pissed off cracker
It's called.........
.......open debate.......ya outta try it sometime, crackhead...er, cracker....
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Well, an argument's not the same as contradiction.
Mr Vibrating: It can be.
Man: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of
statements intended to establish a definite proposition.
Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
Man: Yes it is. It isn't just contradiction.
Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take
up a contrary position.
Man: But it isn't just saying "No it isn't".
Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.
Man: No it isn't, an argument is an intellectual
process... contradiction is just the automatic
gainsaying of anything the other person says.
Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.
Man: Yes it is.
one pissed off cracker
Meaning???????????//
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
We're getting way off-topic here...
...but what I'm trying to say is I've read enough of
the comments on the AAR forum to know that what might
start out as 'debate' or argument too quickly devolves
into a pissing match of contradiction.
one pissed off cracker
Oh,
.......no it doesn't.
Ok, maybe sometimes.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
lol, more like everytime
they usually start off civily, but they quicky decline to petty name calling (almost always started by the left by the way)
You couldn't be more stupid you dick licker!
Sorry had to live up to the charge...
one pissed off cracker
If the charge fits . . .
you must not acquit Froogie the Contard fallacy facilitator complete with his Rovian Attacking Points.
Froogie's propensity is to claim a monopoly on the truth and when presented with factual criticism of his Flavor-Aid induced rants he chooses to go negative - with feeling. Froogie is the poster child for The Dumb Ass "Argument ad Hominem".
Israel is being attacked from outside
Hizbollah attacked Israel from territories Israel surrendered in 2000 for the intersts of peace. Hamas attacked Israel from territories that Israel surrendered last year in the interest of peace. Neither Hamas nor Hizbollah want a return to Israel to the 1967 borders nor do they demand improved civil rights. They want Israel wiped off of the map. If you doubt that, check their web sites.
and these are the people were suppose to appease??
they are evil plain and simple, we cannot make a deal with the devil. Talks will get us nowhere. They must be defeated, sooner is better than later. It would be stupid to wait for iran to get nukes. Weve tried talking to them before, it doesnt work.
Even in WW2, we made peace........
.........via "DEALS" with the Germans and the Japanese at the end of the war. Every war ends with diplomacy....better to try it earlier than later.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Please Learn History
".........via "DEALS" with the Germans and the Japanese at the end of the war. Every war ends with diplomacy....better to try it earlier than later."
DEALS that were only on the menu after we POUNDED them to JELLY.
Your logic is so pretzel-twisted, one wonders how far you will go to
Blame Israel First.
HA
we made deals through strength, not convenience
Oh yeah
air america contiues to fall apart! i love it! where'd garofalo go?? maybe aar couldnt afford to buy her opinions anymore. lol, now shes going to guest host shows occasionally, i love it.
Froggy ribbits mindlessly again......
............Ms Garofalo is fulfilling a citizen's duty, by serving on a grand jury. I'm glad you love it, as I do, too. Question answered.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
thats not
what i heard, i heard they cant afford her anymore, they are running out of money because the advertisers know that nobody is listening.
I'm sure you heard it.......
..........like Bushbaby, you "hear the voices".
Wrong again.
And her partner, Sam Seder, is the better half of the team, in my humble opinion. So, I wouldn't miss her. I refer you to Ms. Stephanie Miller on the Jones network, aired in many places on AAR. Like here.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
listening to the right wing rumour mill again?
Janeane is serving on a grand jury. She's called
in at night to talk to Sam about it.
But you believe the spewmeisters...
typical drone.
"He who allows oppression, shares the crime." : Erasmus Darwin
Remember when the cons.......
.........got all wound up about WLIB, New York, DROPPING Air America............I went to the website for WLIB and there was the AAR Banner. They could have done a google search like I did, thirty seconds or less.........but NOOOOOOOOOO, that would be too sensible, too easy.......instead they spew really stupid and easily demonstrable idiocy. That's cons for you. They heard a talking point somewhere, and that is the new "truth".....idiots, liars, and hypocrites. Lazy, to boot.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Alert...Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing
wzy1 Reveals his true colors
In response to the following comment by mtmeggido
"the corporate media
gives the impression that Palestinian mothers don't cry for their dead children".
wzy1 posted
"of course they do....
after they strap explosives on them and send them out
to kill Jews:"
A very reactionary, racist, and anti-Palestinian remark.
But of course he hasn't taken sides.
Good work mtmeggido you helped uncover the disguise
wzy1 is the wolf in sheep’s clothing...
to be fair, there is no
to be fair, there is no proof yet that the recent attacts were directed by the palestinian government.
The standards for what passes.........
.....as "proof" are variable. If you have one kid and you find that a bag of candy is missing, you generally don't have to interrogate your uncle, your grandfather, or your wife (prehaps) to find out that the candy was swiped by your kid. If you have three kids, you should have a pretty good idea which one is the most likely candidate.
Same in the middle east........."by your works shall ye be known".
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
but there are a lot of
but there are a lot of "kids" that hate israel in the middle east.
That would be "kids WHOM......
.......hate Israel". And, yes, there are multiple players, but only a few who could launch coordinated attacks on multiple fronts. Pretty easy to sort out, if you want to look. And if you have a working knowlege of the region's history and cultural forces. I have a less-that-adequate one, and so I am selective in my reponses.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Hamas took credit for the Gaza kidnapping/rocket attacks
Hamas, the elected government of the Palestinaian people, took credit for the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier in Israeli terriroty near Gaza, and for the subsequent rocket attacks on Israeli towns from Gaza. Arguably, Hizbollah's attacks from Lebanon were made independently of Hamas, perhaps out of jealousy.
Alert... Liberals miraculously turn water into Kool-Aid
You couldn't stand the possibility that you had posted this on a dead thread and that nobody would see it, could you?
Let's determine this, then you may continue calling people racists. Why, if Palestinians do indeed strap explosives to themselves and detonate in public Israeli places, is it racist to mention this? I don't believe wzy1 ever said that all Palestinians behave like this.
Believe it or not, there is a strong anti-Semetic sect of the left that you and the Jew-turned-anti-Semite mtmeggido seem to subscribe to.
Maybe nobody ever told you that the sins, real or percieved, of our fathers really aren't our burdens. I give you permission to stop apologizing and stop hating yourself, your ethnicity, and your country so much.
for the record...
it was palestinian CHILDREN being used as suicide
bombers...he didn't bother addressing that issue.
martyrdom is so glorified that children can't imagine
any greater use for their lives.
-
Nuke the Red Heifer
and get this over with.
Time is the enemy of truth...JFK Jr.
Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16
Do you think Israelis
Do you think Israelis citizens rally around supporting their troops by surrendering to their enemies, like many Americans do?
If the new Lebenese government never re-occupied southern Lebenon, this isn't much of a "raid." It would be like invading Antarctica.
Exept that no families.......
.......would be blown to bits if you raided Antarctica.
Do you think Americans surrender to their enemies? Whom? When? How? Elucidate, please.
If you are equating lobbying for peace as surrender, then a great number of Israelis and Americans, and people everywhere, are surrendering to the idea of not having bombs and bullets whizzing through their neighborhoods. So, I would have to say, yes, the best way to keep your troops from being killed, which I would class as the best kind of support, is to not deploy them into stupid wars lead by stupid people......like Americans have done in Iraq.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
No, lobbying for peace is
No, lobbying for peace is noble. Lobbying for immediate withdrawel, which we can agree would certainly bring anything but peace, in my mind is not noble. Being from Seattle, I see quite a number of protesters and what have you, screaming for immediate withdrawel (in other words, surrender), claiming it as support for the troops. Let me tell you that we do not (for the most part, at least) volunteer to serve in the armed forces with the false idea that we will be stationed stateside forever.
If you read American Soldier, by Gen. Tommy Franks, you would gain a lot of insight into the war. I'm sure you would read things that would strengthen your thoughs, but probably also things that would argue against your thoughts. Just an aside about your last sentence.
same as vietnam
the far left want us to lose, they want the hero's deaths to be in vein. They are just so pissed off that they arent in power that they will stop at nothing to try to get it back. Sorry guys, the american people are too smart for that.
I don't think they want us
I don't think they want us to lose... I think they just don't understand how effective their actions are.
I'll say one thing that everybody should agree with. If the dems retake the executive branch before major hostilities end and choose to see the conflict out, as I'm sure any apt politician would, the conservative base had better show respect and solidarity in our affairs abroad or they will lose a huge bit of credibility.
dont be so sure
if losing makes bush look bad, then many would be al qaeda cheerleaders. They use every setback as a tool. And also, something would have to go horribly horribly wrong for a liberal to win the presidency.
Horribly wrong......
.......like a fair election with all the votes counted. Yep, that would be a horrible thing.
Hey, froggy, guess what, there are more than TWO choices......I know this will make your con-authoritarian proto-facist brain explode.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
How can we "LOSE" in .......
........Iraq, when we have already WON?
"Major combat operations are over".
Regime change is in place.
Elections held.......and we got not one, but THREE prime ministers.
Saddam in prison, on trial.
His sons are dead.....no chance of a Hussein revival.
Oil supplies are restricted.
Seems all is done there.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
I don't think they want us
Sorry, must have hit post twice.
i know they dont want me
i know they dont want me here. people here pray that i die in a car crash just because i dont agree with them. how liberal is that?? not very.
Now froggy, don't cry, we LOVE you and .......
.........your magic twanger. Twang away, froggy.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
i know, i feel the love
i know, i feel the love everytime im called a heartless nazi neo con. xoxoxoxo
The old a"calling a spade........
.............a spade" thing.
Or the waddling, quacking, swimming duck thing. Show us we're wrong.
Do you think that all votes should be counted and accurately reported?
Do you think that we should be suppressing Iraqi oil production to keep world oil prices high and to protect Saudi Arabia and OPEC?
Do you thing that corporations should have equal and even more rights than the people who work for them?
Should the minimum wage represent a living wage?
Are you comfortable with a Unitary Executive?
Should economic arrangements be made that benefit the majority of Americans or should the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund come first?
Are countries who decide that they and their people should benefit from selling their natural resources a bunch of commie rats?
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
quit your bitching froggy
i had to register just to say this, having read the board for a while i havent noticed any direct threats to you as you seem to complain about. Hell i got kicked out of a conservative chatroom for doing absolutely nothing disruptive. Nobody is forcing you to leave these message boards.
kicked for nothing, i dont
kicked for nothing, i dont believe it for a second. I will give some here credit, we argue the issues, disagree and leave it at that. But some have said they pray for me to die, some have discussed how I would feel in prison when fellow inmates look at my daughter when shes visiting (im still free by the way) some here hit below the belt with every post.
i often disagree with you posts
but as a christian i promise I wont take part in praying for your demise.
Back it up . . .
Contard. Let's see the link.
You are a liar and manipulator of the worst order. If you are breathing you are obsfucating. There is no depth too low for your misdirection and ad hominem stench. You are a legend in your own mind. Let's check the scorecard . . .
"... fuck you
you cant prove me a liar. you call me a liar like you call bush a liar. you can prove nothing but you spit it up anyway. you are a worthless piece of shit. by the way, were you ever even in. i didnt think so, how can you criticize me??? you were never even in. you were never even there. so shut the fuck up you dirtbag piece of trash..." - Submitted by jfrogg on June 27, 2006 - 8:24am.
"...YOU FUCKING TOOL
YOU ARE A WORTHLESS PIECE OF DOG SHIT. HOW DARE YOU DRAG THEM INTO YOUR PATHETIC ARGRUMENT. I HOPE SOMEONE WITH SOME BRAINS HEARS YOUR MORONIC THOUGHTS AND SLAPS THE SHIT OUT OF YOU. I HOPE YOUR DEATH IS SLOW AND PAINFUL..." - Submitted by jfrogg on June 23, 2006 - 8:23am.
"i was in a walmart a few days back buying ammunition with a military buddy of mine who happened to be in uniform. He was called a "baby killer" by a liberal scum bag. You cannot realize how close i was to kicking his ass right in the store. I wouldve, but i had beers to drink and bottles to shoot that night..." - Submitted by jfrogg on June 23, 2006 - 6:41pm.
"LIBERALS WANT ANOTHER ATTACK ... The far left loonies here want america to be attacked again!! They want to strip away every tool that our president has to fight them, just so if another attack happens, they can blame him. They have proven that they will stop at NOTHING to make our president look bad. They are siding with al qaeda in hopes that another attack will knock Bush's approval rating down a few points." - Submitted by jfrogg on June 23, 2006 - 12:40pm.
"whatever dude
If you want to live in fantasy land and pretend that everyone is as retarded as you that's fine." - Submitted by jfrogg on June 23, 2006 - 1:28pm.
"YEAH RIGHT . . . You would be glad to see ANYTHING that made bush look bad, even if it meant another 3000 dead. just so you could point your filthy finger at bush and blame him. you and your kind make me sick." - Submitted by jfrogg on June 23, 2006 - 1:27pm.
"your a funny bitch, you are the one that always starts with the childish name calling. damn liberal democraps, move in with al qaeda, your on their side after all. bin laden is the only one that really wants to hear your crap. you have constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the mouth." - Submitted by jfrogg on June 23, 2006 - 11:09am
Any questions, Froogie??? I'm waiting for you to post your 'proof'.
Don't disturb him.
... while he's busy polishing his halo.
WHAAAAA!!!!!!!
Sissie.
You know what Harry Truman said.
Wait, of course you don't know...
YOU'RE AN IDIOT.
Have a Happy
A G
by the way
ever been to jerome arizona?? i love it there, try to go a few times a year.
It's become very Upscale..
I went there a few times in 68.......no electricity, a bunch of hippies. Wonder if they just also went upscale? Went through there in 2000, on a motorcycle trip, and it was pretty snazzy, by comparison.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
there is still the hippie
there is still the hippie base, very artsy town, but yes it has become very upscale. the views are still amazing though.
I find I like my mountains......
..with greenery.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
yes i have been to jerome.
yes i have been to jerome. nice city but a little hot this tiome of year
better than phoenix.
better than phoenix.
so true
last summer i was a lifegaurd in scottsdale when it got to about 120 by the pool
you sound just like...
you sound just like those liberals that cry that they are called unpatriotic for "standing up" against the war ;-)
remeber what thomas jefferson said Purrr
"Dissent is the Highest form of patriotism"
You libs take that out of
You libs take that out of context. If you just take these quotes at face value, you would be saying that Jefferson Davis was a model patriot. I think that T. Jefferson would likely disagree with many of the things Democrats are up to, just as Lincoln would likely disagree with many of the things Republicans are up to.
both parties have strayed
both parties have strayed from their bases.
on a similar note
many americans felt they are fulfilling their patriotic duty by creating backcountry militias, and lets not forget eric rudolph types that thought waging war against the unholy practice of abortion by kiling doctors and bombing hospitols and police stations. And Randy please be careful not to confuse DISSENT which is a written or verbal disagreemnt with the actions of one's government with violent uplash such as the example you provided with Mr. Davis.
I think even a con would have to .......
.....acknowledge that there is a significant difference between dissent and armed insurrection. If your kid protested having to go to his room versus him taking a shotgun out and shooting you in the face. Kinda like that.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
gee, I wish I could be omniscient like you....
first off, I'm not sure how many of us pray...and second -
how would you know what people pray *for*?
and then you draw a conclusion from artificial facts.
SOP
=
NOT "PEOPLE", FROGGY... IT WAS ME!
... and it was that you "be burned alive in a fiery car crash".
Lot of people disagree with me. It's not about that. It about you being perhaps the most vile, selfish, hatefull, ignorant racist I've ever seen.
Have a Happy
A G
lose,
same as vietnam
the far left want us to lose
Submitted by jfrogg on July 17, 2006 - 2:15pm
What will we lose? The oil? Bushies permanent bases?
There are no losers except our troops stuck in a hopeless battle, ill equipt with an asshole giving orders.
Well........
...."Staying the Corpse" will DEFINITELY not bring immediate peace, either. If THAT is your standard, then we can't do anything right at this point.
You need to change your standards....."redefining success" has a long and ignoble political history.
As we are now the single greatest provocation to the insurgents, it's time to try something else.
Start the withdrawl immediately, continue it rapidly, redeploy nearby.........I suggest AFGHANISTAN, where we have a legitimate war sort of going on, and could use the troops to swat the returning Taliban.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Rocklib, I respect you, but
Rocklib, I respect you, but that statement is insane. We have a foothold, bases, troop placement, intelligence, infrastructure. How in God's name can you justify leaving all that and just waiting for a more opportune time? The most rapidly deployable, self-sustainable conventional force (that is, not SOF) takes a minimum of 48 hours to deploy.
As we are now the single greatest provocation to the insurgents, it's time to try something else.
Conventional lib wisdom is that armchair generals are every bit as qualified to make strategic and tactical decisions as are our 4-stars on the ground. Come on, do you really think you get four stars without demonstrating some serious ability?
Errr, no.....air power from the Gulf....
....or Kuwait or Qatar can be over any point in Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan in hours. We have 24/7 observation of Iraq from keyhole satellites and airborne intelligence resources.
As far as stars and ability........I can definitely say YES, some of them are idiots. And I can't tell you why I know that. Sorry.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
That would be Tampa Tommy Franks
who commanded the siege of Tora Bora from Florida, because there was "no logistic need" to redeploy and command from the field, right?
He was so damned busy plugging the Bush administration to anyone holding a camera that he didn't even bother to have anyone above the rank of light colonel on the ground at Tora Bora, and farmed out the primary combat role to local militias, loyal to warlords. That worked VERY well, didn't it?
Tommy Franks is no great military genius. His was the most forceful military voice undercutting General Shinseki's call for 250,000 troops to maintain the peace in Iraq after the initial combat ended. Franks insisted that with 2 infantry divisions, 1 airborne division and an armored corps, he could easily maintain the peace in Iraq. Call him Kreskin.
davecbt
How many billion did they end up missing over that?
something like 9?
Time is the enemy of truth...JFK Jr.
Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16
Can anyone say
overreaction?
So we are gonna see WWIII because of Old Shoe?
I suppose God is telling them to do this.
I guess Israel is not likely to listen to Bush telling them not to be militarily aggressive considering the example we have set.
Lets get the no-bid contracts ready. Time to invest in more Haliburton stock.
We already know which side we will be dragged in on.
Irony
Bush and Blair picked up in a private conversation. I can't wait to hear them complain about people listening in on their private conversations. The couldn't possibly with all the surveilance, complain.
I loved the part about...
bush talking with his mouth full...it goes along with
picking his nose in public. if we have to elect stupid
people to high office, they should at least have some
'stage presence'.
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Dead on, both of you.......
......except that I figure that information flowing to the government is not a good idea, but information flowing from the government to the people ("private citizens", I emphasize the word PRIVATE) is a very good thing indeed......IF you, like I, figure that an informed voter is an effective voter.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
De-ja-vu? Didn't something
De-ja-vu? Didn't something similar to this happen very recently-- in the last couple of years or so?
Sure, probably, maybe.....
.........I guess. Maybe you're thinking of Poppy puking on the Japanese PM?
Or is it the open mic?
Well, there was Raygun with his "nuke the Russkies" idiocy.
There was Bush and Cheney talking about a reporter being a real asshole.
"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.