Arab Opinion Shifts in Favor of Hezbollah

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Israel’s campaign against Hezbollah—which has featured prolonged and deadly strikes against civilian targets in Lebanon—has boosted the militant group’s popularity among governments and groups that earlier opposed it, according to Middle East analysts, with Arab allies such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt now taking pains to distance themselves from American policy. Meanwhile, there is no timetable for Condoleezza Rice to return to the region for further peace talks.

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A story from the new york times, what a surprise

"Thank you new york times, you are my favorite newspaper. You sabotage support for troops, and give me information that is very helpful for my cause. Praise allah!" says bin laden.

Really...

when all else fails, vote from the rooftops

If a great liar comes but utters an indisputable truth, is that truth now a lie?

Enough is Enough . .

I've heard enough excuses. I've heard enough of Condi's lies about 'immediate truce' and 'cease fire'. I've heard enough of the phony apologists when they say, "Accidents happen. When you drop bombs from 20,000 feet they go off target."

How did that JDAM manage to strike a UN Observer Post from 20,000 feet???

Joint Direct Attack Munitions for Israel - June 1, 2004
On 1 June 2004, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a $319 million sale to Israel including:

--Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) tail kits for:
--2,500 GBU-31 for 1,000-pound bombs
--500 GBU-32 for 2,000-pound bombs
--1,500 GBU-30 for 500-pound bombs
--500 GBU-31 for 2,000 pound BLU-109 'bunker busters'

Additionally:
-2,500 MK-84 live bombs
--1,500 MK-82 live bombs
--500 BLU-109 live bombs
--500 MK-83 live bombs

Ordinance outfitted with JDAM tail kits have a range up to 15 miles and a circular error probability of 3 meters, or less than 10 feet using integrated GPS.


Here is a aerial map of Khyliam
Google Earth of Khyliam, Lebanon

Israel has additionally requested that MORE ordinance that was scheduled for delivery in 2007 be expedited and delivered immediately.

I don't believe this was an accident. Shock and Awe is contagious and the United States is complicit in the death and desruction.

The preoblem isn't usually the...

munition. When mistakes happen it's usually the pilot miss-identifying the target.

I've gone through this before but nobody seems to want to listen.

Oh well...

Yeah, Sarge . .

I heard yah. The pilot made a mistake from 20,000 feet and just happened to blow up a UN Observer Post.

Wisecracker

I'm just throwing out that it was a possibility I don't know if that indeed happened.

Supposedly there was alot of fighting in the immediate area...heres a hypothetical scenario.

Airstrike gets called in on position A which is 4/500 meters from the post. Pilot thinks he's lining up on A but actually targets the post.

Happens in our own military with friendly fire incidents ect.

Like I said, I don't know ALL the particulars of the situation but neither do you.

I just can't see any reason for them to deliberately target it but I'll admit it's a possibility...

israel doesn't like the UN

and they don't like witnesses.

israeli forces

bombed the UN compound for 12 hours. the compound had been there for 60 years. the UN called israel ten times to tell them to stop bombing it.

Froogie Froogie Froogie

Please cite a specific example as to the NYT and their "sabotage" in support of our military. Please give us in your finest Contarded fashion a specific incident where the NYT has provided information to OBL that is helpful for his cause.

For years and years progressives have been pointing out how your Contard Agenda is inciting fundie Islamic fevor. Terror attacks across the globe have increased each year. More than two weeks of Bush Buffoonery has now flipped Arab opinion. Condi lies - and hundreds more die.

Proper decorum prevents me from doing a touchdown dance and yelling, "Told yah so!"

it is my opinion that the

it is my opinion that the new york times under reports progress and over reports downfalls in an attemp to further a liberal agenda. I cant prove it, it is just an opinion.

by the way, thank you for not celebating the deaths of others.

"More than two weeks of Bush Buffoonery has now flipped Arab opinion. Condi lies - and hundreds more die.

Proper decorum prevents me from doing a touchdown dance and yelling, "Told yah so!""
Submitted by WiseCracker on July 28, 2006 - 11:32am. | reply | email this comment

Huh ????

Do you read and comprehend on the 2nd grade level, Froogie???

And I want you in no fashion or manner to take something I type out of context and ever imply in any way that I am celebrating the demise of others.

"...by the way, thank you for not celebating the deaths of others..." - Submitted by jfrogg on July 28, 2006 - 11:44am

You are a sick demented thug. You are a scumbag. That is a cheap Rovian tactic that shows what a Dumb Ass Contard you truly are.

Your misdirection and obsfucation is a disease. If your want to see how low political discourse in this country has reached all you have to do is look in the mirror.

you sound upset. If youre

you sound upset. If youre gonna just resort to namecalling i might have to consider putting you on the ignore list. Most say that it would make them happy, but they continue to follow me around and reply to my every post.

Yes.

Evil must be pursued and confronted....

consider putting you on the ignore list

PLease froggy Please put us all on your ignore list

Please? I hate to beg but Damnit PLEASE?

nope, sorry, i only ignore

nope, sorry, i only ignore people whose only purpose is to insult people that dont agree with them. mtmeggido made the list because his only purpose is to attempt to stir up hatred. If you make valid points, i will gladly debate you. You make valid points on a regular basis, so im not going to ignore you.

NYT is just a poorly run corporation

The NYT because of several major scandals has lost all credibility. Their subscription numbers are in the basement and they're doing what they can to survive. Their stockholders demand it. It's all about profit. If they have to sell out their mothers to keep their little bird cage liner afloat, they will. Expect a lot more stories like this.

Submitted by MachinePlanet on July 29, 2006 - 1:01am

I heard Fox Networks are losing ground, too. Unfair and biased.

What a shame.....NOT

lol

They still have 4 times the viewers of their closest competition. They lost the same percentage as if msnbc lost 50 viewers.

You guys will grab on to anything won't you?

All news channels temporarly lose viewers during that rating period.

And that little tidbit of .....

........"information" comes from............where?

And the NYT are doing pretty well, thank you. Their restructuring is going apace, the long term plan is on track, and they are not hurting significantly.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John De

the ny times

helped bush to sell the wmd lie.

Why do you even bother with this dingleberry?

Bushie!  Doin' a helluva job!
Iraq:  Total Fraud, Total Failure - before the first shot.

Jfrogg...

It is so early in the day...must you start out with such a childish comment?

jfrogg says

that freedom and democracy is helping osama.

It's Not Surprising...

It doens't take much for many Arabs to support others who take up arms against Israel. Having the Israeli Army pummel Lebanon in hopes of stopping Hezbollah presents images that quickly inflame those passions. I'm afraid that Israel has played into the hands of propagandists to ill effect.

"I'm the tool of the Government and industry too. For I am destined to rule and regulate you." I'm The Slime. Frank Zappa

Its just too bad that

Its just too bad that lebanon couldnt take care of the problem. I also wonder why those "observers" never observed all those missles being smuggled into lebanon. sounds to me like they were there on vacation.

A few dozen observers in a few locations........

..............aren't going to be able to notice much, and they aren't tasked to STOP them.....so they could walk right by them with a missle and there isn't anything the UN could legally do.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John Dean

Not even report it?? Then

Not even report it?? Then what were they even there for?

Israel, with all it's troops and power........

............can't find the missles and they have freedom of movement, what makes you think that the UN observers would have any better luck? And how do you know that they didn't "report it"?

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John De

they should have had better

they should have had better luck because they were in lebanon when it was happening.

So, have you reported ALL......

.............the criminal activity going on in YOUR town to the cops? Why not, you're there!

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John De

If i say my neighbor with a

If i say my neighbor with a fricking missle, yeah, i would call the cops.

How many of your neighbors.......

............are you spying on regularly? If your house was a UN post, how many homes in your town would you be able to monitor every day, all night, for years? Think you'd catch all the bad guys all by yersef? Bet not.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John De

israel has better spying

equiptment than the UN. mossad is supposedly the best spy agency in the world. did they see the missiles being smuggled in?

how do you know

the UN compound didn't report missiles being smuggled in?

perhaps the UN compound

thought it was ok to smuggle missiles in to lebanon since the US delivers the very best weapons to israel.

did israel see

those missiles being smuggled in?

the UN compound

didn't see the missiles smuggled in. that gives israel the right to target and kill them. so jfrogg is a terrorist.

israeli forces

had the USS Liberty under surveillance for 8 hours. then they bombed it for two hours with warplanes and torpedo boats.

israeli torpedo

boats also prevented the crew of the USS Liberty from abandoning ship or putting out the fires.

More Zionist Terror From The Past

Some more Zionists terrorism from the past...

1. The first aircraft hijacking was carried out by Israel in 1954 against a
Syrian civilian airliner.

2. Grenades in cafes: first used by Zionists against Palestinians in
Jerusalem on 17 March 1937.

3. Delayed-action, electrically timed mines in crowded marketplaces: first
used by Zionists against Palestinians in Haifa on 6 July 1938.

4. Blowing up a ship with its civilian passengers still on board: first
carried out by Zionists in Haifa on 25 November 1940. The Zionists did not
hesitate to blow up their own people in protest at the British policy of
restricting Jewish immigration to Palestine. The ship, Patria, was carrying
1,700 Jewish immigrants.

5. Assassination of government officials: first carried out by the Zionists
against the British in Cairo, when on 6 November 1944 Lord Moyne was
assassinated by the Stern Gang. Yitzhak Shamir, a member of the Irgun and
later leader of the Stern Gang and Israeli prime minister, was behind the
plan.

does that make it easier for

does that make it easier for you to hate jews?

When will, if ever,

you neocons understand that disagreeing with someone's irrational and incompetent approach to a problem doesn't mean you hate the people doing it or that you automatically support the other side.

You guys really need to listen to someone other than limbaugh, hannity or o'reilly from time to time.

There is no real American that is in support any terroristic organization. Bush is not the USA he is merely a temporarily elected official that should be putting the nation's best interest ahead of his corporatist and religious fundamentalists lobbyists.

Your arguments are ridiculous. It is like saying that if I disagree that green beans are good for you I am in favor of malnutrition or I hate the person that said green beans were good for me. Please grow up and for once use the brain that God gave you.

Tell that to Howard Dean

I believe he called the Iraqi prime Minister a "Anti-Semite" for not comming out against Hezbollah.

One thing Bush & Co. get blasted for (rightfully I might add) is their Ham fisted approach to foreign policy...They don't understand the nuances ect ect. They see everything in black and white ect ect.

I happen to agree with that.

Anyway...what in the HELL was Dean thinking when he blasted the Iraqi Prime Minister? Did he really think the guy in a predominately shiite country that is in the throws of sectarian violence could come out a bash Hezbollah.

What exactly was Dean and the dems objective in doing this?

Shoring up the Jewish vote or what?

I was pretty flabbergasted with the whole thing.

The real problem with the Dean comment.......

......is that Al Maliki is ALSO a Semite. Just like the Jews. So he's anti Iraqi, too, I guess? No, not Dean's best moment.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John De

Has Dean

ever had a "best moment"?

Obviously......

....the answer is YES. Any of his moments FAR surpasses any of those of the Chimp in Chief currently crapping up the Oval Office.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John Dean

Pointing out certain

Pointing out certain historical facts is not Jew Hatred or anti-semetism...

Crticing Israel is not Jew-hatred or anti-semetism...

Calling Jewish people allsorts of vile names and painting them with stereotypes is Jew-hatred and anti-semetism...

Know and understand the difference!!!

Why don't you go after those who really spew out bigotry and hatred everytime they stereotype, or racially slur Arabs...

Remember Arabs are semites also...

And that would also be anti-semetic!!!

very true, my bad.

very true, my bad.

bombing that UN compound for 12 hours

looked like hate to me.

"zionist terror"

THis is the first I've heard of these zionist attacks, could you please direct me to your sources of information so that I may verify its legitimacy?

These acts of terroism have

These acts of terrorism, along with others, have been documented in various publications,

I will give you a few, to start with, and do some of your own reseach as well...

Bitter Harvest: A Modern History of Palestine (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0940793768/002-5351366-6755201?v=glance...

Book Description: Hadawi analyzes the people of ancient Palestine, through the years of British colonization; he examines the Jewish community and Zionism, the legacy of Jewish terror against both British and Palestinian targets. Later sections look at the role of the state of Israel, its treatment of Palestinians, and the emergence of the Palestine Liberation Organization. In the final chapter Hadawi covers the 1979 Camp David Accords, Israel's invasion of Leabon in 1982, and the intifada of mid-1989. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title

Israeli author, Simha Flapan, “The Birth of Israel.

yes

it's the first you have heard of zionist terrorists because you depend on the corporate media.

zionist terrorism

No More Tears: Benny Morris and the Road Back from Liberal Zionism

Joel Beinin

(Joel Beinin, an editor of this magazine, teaches Middle East history at Stanford University.)

Books Reviewed

Benny Morris, 1948 and After: Israel and the Palestinians (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1990, second edition, 1994).

Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1988).

Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004).

Haganah militiamen expel Palestinian Arabs from Haifa, April 1948. (Agence France Presse)

On July 11, 1948, Aharon Cohen, director of the Arab Affairs Department of the socialist-Zionist Mapam party in Israel, received a carbon copy of a military intelligence report. Israel, a state less than two months old, was embroiled in a war with neighboring Arab states that would last until 1949. The document in Cohen’s hands analyzed the reasons for the flight of 240,000 Palestinian Arabs from areas which had been allocated to the Jewish state by the November 1947 UN partition plan and another 150,000 from the Jerusalem region and areas allocated to the Arab state. Cohen was upset to read the report’s conclusion that 70 percent of these Arabs had fled due to “direct, hostile Jewish operations against Arab settlements

more zionist terror

The facts of the attack as known are presented at a Web site I created at http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy. Briefly, on April 9, 1948, the dissident Jewish Irgun and Lehi underground groups attacked the village of Deir Yassin, at the entrance to Jerusalem, though the village had had a defense pact with the Jewish agency. In the attack, four of the attackers and over a hundred villagers were killed, many of them women and children. According to an affidavit provided by an Irgun commander, about 80 prisoners were shot. A number of witnesses, Jewish and Arab, reported independently that a group of about 15 persons were taken to a quarry and shot. Me'ir Pail, a Palmach (Zionist underground) officer who spied on the attack, and two or three additional witnesses, reported women children and old men shot at close range. The Zionist executive apologized for this attack, which was done by forces not under its control. The Palestinians subsequently exacted revenge by killing about 80 Jews in a convoy to Hadassah hospital, and another 50 who had surrendered at Gush Etzion.

my sources

benny morris and ami isseroff are both zionists.

the stern gang or lehi, zionist terrorists

Actions

As a group that never had over a hundred members, Lehi relied on audacious but small-scale operations to bring their message home, as such they described themselves as a terrorist group and adopted the tactics of groups such as the IRA, who had successfully used guerrilla warfare to force the British out of the Southern Republic of Ireland back in the 1920s. To this end, Lehi conducted small-scale operations such as assassinations of British soldiers and police officers and, on occasion, Jewish "collaborators". Another strategy, (1947) was to send bombs in the mail to many British politicians. Other actions included sabotaging infrastructure targets: bridges, railroads, and oil refineries. Lehi financed their operations from private donations, extortion, and bank robbery.
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Assassination of Lord Moyne
Further information: Lord Moyne#Assassination
In November 6, 1944 Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne was the highest ranking British government representative in the region and was directly responsible for blocking Europe's Jews from reaching Palestine during the Holocaust. The assassination act rocked the British government, and outraged Winston Churchill the British Prime Minister. The two young assassins, Eliahu Bet-Zouri and Eliahu Hakim were captured and used their trial as a platform to make public their struggle for freedom to the world. Although rejected by the official Zionist leadership and enraging the British authorities, their dignified behavior and bold statements publicized their cause to the West and even won them the sympathy of Egyptian Muslim students. The two boys refused to ask mercy from a court they did not recognize and were each sentenced to death by hanging. When asked by their hangman why they appeared to be in such high spirits before their death, Hakim answered that they were "smiling to the next generation that would see a Jewish flag over Jerusalem". Like all Irgun and Lehi prisoners sentenced to death in those years, both sang Hatikva (the Zionist anthem) directly prior to their execution.
[edit]
Assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte

UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte was assassinated by Lehi in Jerusalem in 1948.
Further information: Folke Bernadotte#Assassinated in Jerusalem by Lehi
September 17, 1948, Lehi assassinated the UN Mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte, who had been sent to broker a settlement in the dispute. The assassination was directed by Yehoshua Zetler and carried out by a four-man team led by Meshulam Markover. The fatal shots were fired by Yehoshua Cohen. Lehi leaders Nathan Yellin-Mor and Matitiahu Schmulevitz were arrested two months after the murder. Most of the suspects involved were released immediately and all of them were granted general amnesty on the 14th of February, 1949.

completely false and hateful

I find no support anywhere for your assertions. The first recorded aircraft hijack occured on 1939 in Arequipa, Peru. There are not recorded hijackings that I can find in 1954. In 1969, however, there were 82 recorded hijackings, most by Palestinians using this as a political weapon. The first Arab-Israeli hijacking occured in 1968 and was masterminded by Arabs. Your claims of "zionist terror" are false and abhorrent.

We all know who hijacks the

We all know who hijacks the most plains, but i think he was trying to point out that it takes two sides to fight, a very valid point. I hate to break it down to a 10 year olds mentality, but hezbollah started it this time. Lebanon was given the chance to take care of the problem, but they chose to ignore u.n. mandates, much like saddam did. Perhaps if lebanon wouldve reported 13 thousand rockets being smuggled in the problem could have been taken care of much earlier.

Which Came First?

The rockets were fired after the heavy Israeli Attacks against Lebanon...

An excerpt below from Democracy Now

NOAM CHOMSKY: Yeah. Well, he's correct that hundreds of rockets have been fired, and naturally that has to be stopped. But he didn't mention, or maybe at least in this comment, that the rockets were fired after the heavy Israeli attacks against Lebanon, which killed -- well, latest reports, maybe 60 or so people and destroyed a lot of infrastructure. As always, things have precedence, and you have to decide which was the inciting event. In my view, the inciting event in the present case, events, are those that I mentioned -- the constant intense repression; plenty of abductions; plenty of atrocities in Gaza; the steady takeover of the West Bank, which, in effect, if it continues, is just the murder of a nation, the end of Palestine; the abduction on June 24 of the two Gaza civilians; and then the reaction to the abduction of Corporal Shalit. And there's a difference, incidentally, between abduction of civilians and abduction of soldiers. Even international humanitarian law makes that distinction.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/14/146258

Check out the rest You'll find it full of some unknow facts

I can't stick around today...

see ya later...

even your source says

even your source says hezbollah started the current violence.

Which Part Was Not Clear?

Which part of this excerpt did you not understand?

NOAM CHOMSKY: Yeah. Well, he's correct that hundreds of rockets have been fired, and naturally that has to be stopped. But he didn't mention, or maybe at least in this comment, that the rockets were fired after the heavy Israeli attacks against Lebanon, which killed -- well, latest reports, maybe 60 or so people and destroyed a lot of infrastructure.

As always, things have precedence, and you have to decide which was the inciting event. In my view, the inciting event in the present case, events, are those that I mentioned -- the constant intense repression; plenty of abductions; plenty of atrocities in Gaza; the steady takeover of the West Bank, which, in effect, if it continues, is just the murder of a nation, the end of Palestine; the abduction on June 24 of the two Gaza civilians; and then the reaction to the abduction of Corporal Shalit. And there's a difference, incidentally, between abduction of civilians and abduction of soldiers. Even international humanitarian law makes that distinction.

Ahh, so now a noam chomsky

Ahh, so now a noam chomsky quote is an ista-fact. Sorry, i didnt get that memo. So did that attack take place before hozbollah started digging their tunnels into israel? didnt think so.

The part which is not clear

is the murky space between Noam Chomsky's ears. " Hi. I'm Noam Chomsky and I make a very good living spewing anti-logic." "Remember, the sky is yellow. It just looks blue"

benny morris and ami isseroff

are zionists who attest the use of jewish terrorism in the formation of israel.

chomsky is a

jewish professor, but he is quite liberal. yet again, many liberal jews are also zionists, like that attorney whose name escapes me right now.

Hi, I'm Noam Chomsky and my......

......farts are more mellifluous and make more sense than the intellectual reek emanating from the aural orifice of the Machine Planet. He just washed his brain and he can't do a thing with it.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."
William Gladstone, 4-time Prime Minister of Great Britain.
"No question that Authoritarianism in Conservatism is Proto-Fascism." John Dean

apparently

hezbollah captured those two israeli soldiers in lebanon.

Actually, I Found Two...

the first one is more of a classic hijacking or should I say hijacking attempt by a mexican national. The outcome is great justice worthy of a TV movie.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19540706-0&lang=en

The second is more in line of what McBard is talking about. Not a classic, but a hijjacking nonetheless.
http://www.arabmediawatch.com/amw/CountryBackgrounds/Palestine/MediaMyth...

"I'm the tool of the Government and industry too. For I am destined to rule and regulate you." I'm The Slime. Frank Zappa

The Key Words are "First Nation"

The key words are "first nation to hijack", not an irrational individual(s)...

I forgot to make that clear at my first post...

http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/art.php?aid=8648

Some college student

posts it in his webspace and it's a fact?

benny morris, a zionist historian,

is one of israel's premier historians.

Facts Are Not Always Known... Research , and Read

Just because you never heard about it before, does not mean it did not happen and it is not factual...

Do some real research and open your eyes for once...

Event #268 Israeli air force hijacks Syrian civilian airliner
Date: 12 Dec 1954

http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/bigDB.php?eid=268

The book below is based on documentation, as are the ones I posted at the above post...

Bitter Harvest: A Modern History of Palestine (Paperback

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0940793768/002-5351366-6755201?v=glance...

Book Description: Hadawi analyzes the people of ancient Palestine, through the years of British colonization; he examines the Jewish community and Zionism, the legacy of Jewish terror against both British and Palestinian targets. Later sections look at the role of the state of Israel, its treatment of Palestinians, and the emergence of the Palestine Liberation Organization. In the final chapter Hadawi covers the 1979 Camp David Accords, Israel's invasion of Leabon in 1982, and the intifada of mid-1989. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title

And They Call Us Terrorists ...
by Amir Meshkin

http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/terrorists.phtml

I have included other sources at my above post...

Both Jewish and Arab, since many want to close their eyes to facts, and count it as illegitimate if it was written by an Arab...

Jeez... Talk about bigotry, and racism

more unbiased sources

I'm sure an Arab book is an unbiased source and Florida swamp is a good real.estate investment. Boy are you naive. Did the book happen to mention any reason why Israel would want to hijack a Syrian plane?? Just bored that day. Try plugging in your logic before you swallow propaganda as facts. Chomsky is another useless source. If the Arab world is so blameless and peaceful then let them make the first move. So far Israel has made peaceful moves only to get shelled by rockets. You do recall that as soon as Israel left Gaza with plans to get out of the West Bank they were bombarded by rockets from Gaza and Hezbollah picked that moment to invade Israel and kidnap it's citizens. By the way since Israel was not at war with Lebanon at the time of the kidnapping Chomsky's distinction between soldiers and civilians is asinine.

a zionist justifies terrorism

Did the book happen to mention any reason why Israel would want to hijack a Syrian plane??

How about...

you google "hijacking 1954"

There are many.

None are reputable

Sorry, just because someone puts it on the internet doesn't make it true. The only reputable 1954 hijacking report is a NY to Mexico City flight in which a white male tried to force the pilot to divert. The pilot shot him.

reputable internet sources

are better than no sources at all.

zionist terrorists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

Israeli terrorism

What relevance are the desperate deeds of desperate men left no choice but to fight for their lives to find refuge from the holocaust and the lack of humanity shown by the entire world. Had the British or the US opened its shores to the honest, hard working, peaceful refugees from the holocaust, none of what you mentioned, assuming it is all accurate would not have been necessary. The world and the UN finally recognized this when it created Israel. That would have that except that the entire Arab world filled with hate decided to defy the UN and destroy Israel and murder every man woman and child in Israel. This has been the story since 1948. If you expect Israel to stop defending itself by whatever means necessary then try getting the Arabs to talk and walk peace like Egypt did. Egypt isn't getting bombed because it has peaceful relations with Israel. Egypt didn't fall into a hole in the sand , it didn't self destruct. What is wrong with the rest of the Arab world?? Could it be they are so filled with hate that they can't see what a benefit peace with Israel would be. Or could it be that they are so wrapped up in their own political agendas and are using Israel as means of keeping the unbelievably corrupt regimes like the PLO in place.

As far the UN post getting hit, cite one logical reason why Israel would want to hit the UN outpost and I might consider this other than an accident. The UN is anti Israel enough without blowing up a UN outpost. Israel may be desperate but it isn't dumb.

israel

doesn't like the UN. and they felt they could get away with bombing it. terrorism.

the first secretary of state of israel

suggested that the zionists had committed a small holocaust against the palestinians.

Swastika is a symbol of good energy

How dare this Marvin guy who is obviously clueless about cultures trash an ancient Hindu symbol without ever looking to it's historical relevance. I am a collector of art and artifacts and have lots of ancient Hindu works with images of swastikas. To degrade that talisman is an insult to another culture. Make Art not War

In The Western World...

it's more a symbol to be feared and hated, thanks to certain central Europeans.

"I'm the tool of the Government and industry too. For I am destined to rule and regulate you." I'm The Slime. Frank Zappa

Yeah, and gay used to mean happy and carefree

Get over it.

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