Iraq Panel Recommends Mandatory Benchmarks

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President Bush today received the Iraq Study Group’s final report, which features the suggestion that the U.S. threaten to reduce economic and military support for Iraq's government if it fails to meet specific benchmarks. Though Bush has said he will take the panel’s report “very seriously”, there are at least two key recommendations — enlisting Iran and Syria to help stabilize Iraq, and targeting early 2008 as a departure date — to which the White House remains opposed. Read the full report here.

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That whole Baker Report was a ploy for

the election to save the Resmuglican asses.

Now that reality has hit and the voters spoke, it's time to flush the report and "stay the course".

That's what Tony Snow said Tuesday in a press conference.

No wonder Daddy Bush is crying!

MSM and the pundits are dancing around this so fast everything is spinning.

No one but Dennis Kucinich has thought this out in the interest of the US.

Please read Kucinich's solution to this mess!
It's the only set of steps that now makes sense.

CoyoteMan

George Bush Sr. Lies to get America into Gulf War 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1EDCqxVT7U

un freaking believable -- watch this!

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Yes, I remember that report.

Yes, I remember that report. And, yes, I remember it was uncovered as a lie, and I also, remember the overall yawn about it once the invasion started. But I cannot reiterate enough how evil the Bush cartel is. Lizardmen.

Worst President Ever!

At least Jeb's chances are pretty well crippled

I don't know if we could take yet another Bush in the Anal Office.

President Jenna? Arrivederci, America!

How Dick Cheney's Lies Got America Into Gulf War 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDkLqyiUCys&mode=related&search=

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

King Bush Jr. To Daddy's Friends

Thanks .... I'll just file this Iraq Study Group report away for future reference. Cheney & Rove will send a copy down to Snowball so he can use it as a prop for the daily press spin report. Meanwhile I still have 18 months to jerk the Congress around before they catch on... When ya see my dad tell him I said thanks for buying me more time...

Since they're recommending things ..

Chimpy doesn't approve of, he'll file it under "G" ... for "garbage."

For someone who consistently "claims" he's open to suggestions, he certainly doesn't appear to be giving these suggestions much thought before ridiculing them and tossing them aside.

haha, dems still loose.1

haha, dems still loose.

1 Bush talking with that Iraq leader," he needs help, we arn't leaving"

2 new sec of defense " if we leave a bigger war will breakout"

3 this Baker think tank, " by 2008 we should mainly have training, not offense"

NOT one has stooped down to what you aar listeners want, poetic justice, and also shows how your all so wrong."progressive"? nah, just antiusa is all you are.

Soooooooo, looks like cut and run is out of the game.Now if they stop money, with the way things are, gonna be fun to watch how pussies run things down to the ground, as usual.

WARNING
(the coffee is hot) lol

ha ha ha

Dems won the election. The american people disagree with you and your masters and we will be leaving Iraq soon.

How soon is soon?

"we will be leaving Iraq soon"

Care to put any money on that?

Submitted by jfrogg on December 6, 2006 - 12:01pm

Sure. I'll wager it will be 2008 when Democrats take the White House and the reign of the worst president ever is over.

R U Implying

That we intend to "stay the course"?

'cause as bush said

"we've never been stay the course"

YOU KNOW Q BALL............

You and your kind seem to forget, fighting in the mid east, destroyed the other super power this world has known. It was the demise of the Soviet Union.

THE COMMON WORKING GUY SPEAKS!!!

Uhhh, did you forget about

Uhhh, did you forget about one of the greatest president ever, Ronald Reagan? If Reagan was still running the show there would be statues of him streaching from damascus to tehran and most of the worlds muslims would have converted to Reaganism by now.

Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!

Citations please? In full APA format or I deduct points, young man.

do you mean that

senile old man with alzheimers. Yep a great guy. Your standards are pretty low.

Would the statues include...

Droopy-in-the-rear Brooks Brothers?

anothermoron's right.

jfrogg, you really are an idiot.

UHHHHHHHHHH...................

The greatest Republican president ever, was Teddy Roosevelt. You forget, The only monument Reagan ever built is the debt we are still paying interest on, this very day.

THE COMMON WORKING GUY SPEAKS!!!

hey wait,

aren't you forgetting somebody?

they dont call themselves the party of roosevelt.

Republicans freed the slaves! So that means all you black people need to be grateful and vote for the people that tried to deny you your civil rights!

Republicans freed the slaves?

that's a good one. Actually, Lincoln could have cared less about the plight of the black man. The Civil War was about States rights and Lincoln wanted to show how BIG and POWERFUL the FEDERAL GOVT was compared to the STATES. Yes, that's right, he was a REPUBLICAN for BIG GOVERNMENT.

YEAH, LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN...............

But Teddy, was against monopolies by big business (especially oil companies), was for the working man and..........loved the environment. He would have been run clean out of the country, by this bunch. Instead, he in on Rushmore, next to three other great presidents. Think Shrub will ever be there? or Reagan? Not unless come corporation, buys the mountain and pays for the carving. Not unrealistic, I suppose.

THE COMMON WORKING GUY SPEAKS!!!

THE RONALD REAGAN MYTH

http://prorev.com/reagan.htm

"Ronald Reagan must be the nicest president who ever destroyed a union, tried to cut school lunch milk rations from six to four ounces, and compelled families in need of public help to first dispose of household goods in excess of $1,000...1f there is an authoritarian regime in the American future, Ronald Reagan is tailored to the image of a friendly fascist." - Robert Lekachman

GREAT THOUGHTS OF RONALD REAGAN

"A tree's a tree. How many more do you need to look at?" -- Ronald Reagan (Governor of California), quoted in the Sacramento Bee, opposing expansion of Redwood National Park, March 3, 1966

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk." --Ronald Reagan (Republican candidate for president), quoted in the Burlington (Vermont) Free Press, February 15, 1980

"It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home by Christmas." --Ronald Reagan (candidate for Governor of California), interviewed in the Fresno Bee, October 10, 1965

"...the moral equal of our Founding Fathers." --President Reagan, describing the Nicaraguan contras, March 1, 1985

"Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal." --Ronald Reagan, quoted in Time, May 17, 1976

"...a faceless mass, waiting for handouts." --Ronald Reagan, 1965. (Description of Medicaid recipients.)

"Unemployment insurance is a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders." --California Governor Ronald Reagan, in the Sacramento Bee, April 28, 1966

"We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry every night. Well, that was probably true. They were all on a diet." --Ronald Reagan, TV speech, October 27, 1964

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LAST FOND MEMORIES

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
PRESS BRIEFING BY LARRY SPEAKES
October 15, 1982
The Briefing Room
12:45pm EDT

Q: Larry, does the President have any reaction to the announcement - the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, that AIDS is now an epidemic and have over 600 cases?

MR. SPEAKES: What's AIDS?

Q: Over a third of them have died. It's known as "gay plague." (Laughter.) No, it is. I mean it's a pretty serious thing that one in every three people that get this have died. And I wondered if the President is aware of it?

MR. SPEAKES: I don't have it. Do you? (Laughter.)

Q: No, I don't.

MR. SPEAKES: You didn't answer my question.

Q: Well, I just wondered, does the President -

MR. SPEAKES: How do you know? (Laughter.)

Q: In other words, the White House looks on this as a great joke?

MR. SPEAKES: No, I don't know anything about it, Lester.

Q: Does the President, does anyone in the White House know about this epidemic, Larry?

MR. SPEAKES: I don't think so. I don't think there's been any -

Q: Nobody knows?

MR. SPEAKES: There has been no personal experience here, Lester.

Q: No, I mean, I thought you were keeping - MR. SPEAKES: I checked thoroughly with Dr. Ruge this morning and he's had no - (laughter) - no patients suffering from AIDS or whatever it is.

Q: The President doesn't have gay plague, is that what you're saying or what?

MR. SPEAKES: No, I didn't say that.

Q: Didn't say that?

MR. SPEAKES: I thought I heard you on the State Department over there. Why didn't you stay there? (Laughter.)

Q: Because I love you Larry, that's why (Laughter.)

MR. SPEAKES: Oh I see. Just don't put it in those terms, Lester. (Laughter.)

Q: Oh, I retract that.

MR. SPEAKES: I hope so.

Q: It's too late.

NOTE TO THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION

LAST WEEK’S NEWS coverage of the Reagan deathfest legally should have begun with a statement by the President: “My name is George Bush and I approve of this coverage.

reagan

And he still couldn't remember what he had for breakfast. But stock in depends would be up.

so let me get this

so let me get this straight

calling michael j. fox on his lies just because he has a disease = bad

making fun of someone whose disease killed them just because you dont like their politics = good

hypocrisy anyone??

I call YOU on your lies

No one has proven that M.J. Fox needed to be "called on his lies." For good reason: HE DIDN'T LIE. Reagan, however, was sick and should not have been allowed to keep running the most powerful nation on earth.

Frog's legs: Vive la France!

actually he did lie. he said

actually he did lie. he said that the bill he was supporting would ban human cloning, when in actuality, it just redefined what the word "cloning" meant in order to legalize it. He was either misinformed about the content of the bill, or was lying.

Submitted by jfrogg on December 6, 2006 - 5:10pm

So, when Rummy said he knew where the WMD were (around the areas of Tikrit and Baghdad and somewhat North, East, South, and West of there), was he misinformed? Or just lying?
*** *** *** ***
Happy Holidays!

no its you who thrive on lies

Who Is Lying About Iraq?
A campaign of distortion aims to discredit the liberation.

BY NORMAN PODHORETZ
Monday, November 14, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

Among the many distortions, misrepresentations and outright falsifications that have emerged from the debate over Iraq, one in particular stands out above all others. This is the charge that George W. Bush misled us into an immoral or unnecessary war in Iraq by telling a series of lies that have now been definitively exposed.

What makes this charge so special is the amazing success it has enjoyed in getting itself established as a self-evident truth even though it has been refuted and discredited over and over again by evidence and argument alike. In this it resembles nothing so much as those animated cartoon characters who, after being flattened, blown up or pushed over a cliff, always spring back to life with their bodies perfectly intact. Perhaps, like those cartoon characters, this allegation simply cannot be killed off, no matter what.

Nevertheless, I want to take one more shot at exposing it for the lie that it itself really is. Although doing so will require going over ground that I and many others have covered before, I hope that revisiting this well-trodden terrain may also serve to refresh memories that have grown dim, to clarify thoughts that have grown confused, and to revive outrage that has grown commensurately dulled.

The main "lie" that George W. Bush is accused of telling us is that Saddam Hussein possessed an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, or WMD as they have invariably come to be called. From this followed the subsidiary "lie" that Iraq under Saddam's regime posed a two-edged mortal threat. On the one hand, we were informed, there was a distinct (or even "imminent") possibility that Saddam himself would use these weapons against us or our allies; and on the other hand, there was the still more dangerous possibility that he would supply them to terrorists like those who had already attacked us on 9/11 and to whom he was linked.
This entire scenario of purported deceit was given a new lease on life by the indictment in late October of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, then chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Libby stands accused of making false statements to the FBI and of committing perjury in testifying before a grand jury that had been convened to find out who in the Bush administration had "outed" Valerie Plame, a CIA agent married to the retired ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. The supposed purpose of leaking this classified information to the press was to retaliate against Mr. Wilson for having "debunked" (in his words) "the lies that led to war."

Now, as it happens, Mr. Libby was not charged with having outed Ms. Plame but only with having lied about when and from whom he first learned that she worked for the CIA. Moreover, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor who brought the indictment against him, made a point of emphasizing that "this indictment is not about the war":

This indictment is not about the propriety of the war. And people who believe fervently in the war effort, people who oppose it, people who have mixed feelings about it should not look to this indictment for any resolution of how they feel or any vindication of how they feel.

This is simply an indictment that says, in a national-security investigation about the compromise of a CIA officer's identity that may have taken place in the context of a very heated debate over the war, whether some person--a person, Mr. Libby--lied or not.

No matter. Harry Reid, the Democratic leader in the Senate, spoke for a host of other opponents of the war in insisting:
This case is bigger than the leak of classified information. It is about how the Bush White House manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to bolster its case for the war in Iraq and to discredit anyone who dared to challenge the president.
Yet even stipulating--which I do only for the sake of argument--that no weapons of mass destruction existed in Iraq in the period leading up to the invasion, it defies all reason to think that Mr. Bush was lying when he asserted that they did. To lie means to say something one knows to be false. But it is as close to certainty as we can get that Mr. Bush believed in the truth of what he was saying about WMD in Iraq.
How indeed could it have been otherwise? George Tenet, his own CIA director, assured him that the case was "a slam dunk." This phrase would later become notorious, but in using it, Mr. Tenet had the backing of all 15 agencies involved in gathering intelligence for the United States. In the National Intelligence Estimate of 2002, where their collective views were summarized, one of the conclusions offered with "high confidence" was that "Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding its chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions."

The intelligence agencies of Britain, Germany, Russia, China, Israel and--yes--France all agreed with this judgment. And even Hans Blix--who headed the U.N. team of inspectors trying to determine whether Saddam had complied with the demands of the Security Council that he get rid of the weapons of mass destruction he was known to have had in the past--lent further credibility to the case in a report he issued only a few months before the invasion:

The discovery of a number of 122-mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km [105 miles] southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker, and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions. . . . They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for.
Mr. Blix now claims that he was only being "cautious" here, but if, as he now also adds, the Bush administration "misled itself" in interpreting the evidence before it, he at the very least lent it a helping hand.

So, once again, did the British, the French and the Germans, all of whom signed on in advance to Secretary of State Colin Powell's reading of the satellite photos he presented to the U.N. in the period leading up to the invasion. Mr. Powell himself and his chief of staff, Lawrence Wilkerson, now feel that this speech was the low point of his tenure as secretary of state. But Mr. Wilkerson (in the process of a vicious attack on the president, the vice president, and the secretary of defense for getting us into Iraq) is forced to acknowledge that the Bush administration did not lack for company in interpreting the available evidence as it did:

I can't tell you why the French, the Germans, the Brits and us thought that most of the material, if not all of it, that we presented at the U.N. on 5 February 2003 was the truth. I can't. I've wrestled with it. [But] when you see a satellite photograph of all the signs of the chemical-weapons ASP--Ammunition Supply Point--with chemical weapons, and you match all those signs with your matrix on what should show a chemical ASP, and they're there, you have to conclude that it's a chemical ASP, especially when you see the next satellite photograph which shows the UN inspectors wheeling in their white vehicles with black markings on them to that same ASP, and everything is changed, everything is clean. . . . But George [Tenet] was convinced, John McLaughlin [Tenet's deputy] was convinced, that what we were presented [for Powell's UN speech] was accurate.
Going on to shoot down a widespread impression, Mr. Wilkerson informs us that even the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, known as INR, was convinced:

People say, well, INR dissented. That's a bunch of bull. INR dissented that the nuclear program was up and running. That's all INR dissented on. They were right there with the chems and the bios.
In explaining its dissent on Iraq's nuclear program, the INR had, as stated in the NIE of 2002, expressed doubt about:

Iraq's efforts to acquire aluminum tubes [which are] central to the argument that Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear-weapons program. . . . INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use as centrifuge rotors . . . in Iraq's nuclear-weapons program.
But, according to Wilkerson:

The French came in in the middle of my deliberations at the CIA and said, we have just spun aluminum tubes, and by God, we did it to this rpm, et cetera, et cetera, and it was all, you know, proof positive that the aluminum tubes were not for mortar casings or artillery casings, they were for centrifuges. Otherwise, why would you have such exquisite instruments?
In short, and whether or not it included the secret heart of Hans Blix, "the consensus of the intelligence community," as Mr. Wilkerson puts it, "was overwhelming" in the period leading up to the invasion of Iraq that Saddam definitely had an arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, and that he was also in all probability well on the way to rebuilding the nuclear capability that the Israelis had damaged by bombing the Osirak reactor in 1981.
Additional confirmation of this latter point comes from Kenneth Pollack, who served in the National Security Council under Clinton. "In the late spring of 2002," Pollack has written:

I participated in a Washington meeting about Iraqi WMD. Those present included nearly twenty former inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the force established in 1991 to oversee the elimination of WMD in Iraq. One of the senior people put a question to the group: did anyone in the room doubt that Iraq was currently operating a secret centrifuge plant? No one did. Three people added that they believed Iraq was also operating a secret calutron plant (a facility for separating uranium isotopes).
No wonder, then, that another conclusion the NIE of 2002 reached with "high confidence" was that "Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material." (Hard as it is to believe, let alone to reconcile with his general position, Joseph C. Wilson IV, in a speech he delivered three months after the invasion at the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, offhandedly made the following remark: "I remain of the view that we will find biological and chemical weapons and we may well find something that indicates that Saddam's regime maintained an interest in nuclear weapons.")

But the consensus on which Mr. Bush relied was not born in his own administration. In fact, it was first fully formed in the Clinton administration. Here is Bill Clinton himself, speaking in 1998:

If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons-of-mass-destruction program.
Here is his Secretary of State Madeline Albright, also speaking in 1998:

Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.
Here is Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Adviser, who chimed in at the same time with this flat-out assertion about Saddam:

He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.
Finally, Mr. Clinton's secretary of defense, William Cohen, was so sure Saddam had stockpiles of WMD that he remained "absolutely convinced" of it even after our failure to find them in the wake of the invasion in March 2003.
Nor did leading Democrats in Congress entertain any doubts on this score. A few months after Mr. Clinton and his people made the statements I have just quoted, a group of Democratic senators, including such liberals as Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, and John Kerry, urged the President "to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons-of-mass-destruction programs."

Nancy Pelosi, the future leader of the Democrats in the House, and then a member of the House Intelligence Committee, added her voice to the chorus:

Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons-of-mass-destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.
This Democratic drumbeat continued and even intensified when Mr. Bush succeeded Mr. Clinton in 2001, and it featured many who would later pretend to have been deceived by the Bush White House. In a letter to the new president, a group of senators led by Bob Graham declared:

There is no doubt that . . . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical, and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf war status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.
Sen. Carl Levin also reaffirmed for Mr. Bush's benefit what he had told Mr. Clinton some years earlier:

Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton agreed, speaking in October 2002:

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical- and biological-weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.
Senator Jay Rockefeller, vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, agreed as well:

There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. . . . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.
Even more striking were the sentiments of Bush's opponents in his two campaigns for the presidency. Thus Al Gore in September 2002:

We know that [Saddam] has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.
And here is Mr. Gore again, in that same year:

Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.
Now to John Kerry, also speaking in 2002:

I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force--if necessary--to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.
Perhaps most startling of all, given the rhetoric that they would later employ against Mr. Bush after the invasion of Iraq, are statements made by Sens. Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd, also in 2002:
Kennedy: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Byrd: "The last U.N. weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical- and biological-warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons."

Liberal politicians like these were seconded by the mainstream media, in whose columns a very different tune would later be sung. For example, throughout the last two years of the Clinton administration, editorials in the New York Times repeatedly insisted that "without further outside intervention, Iraq should be able to rebuild weapons and missile plants within a year [and] future military attacks may be required to diminish the arsenal again."
The Times was also skeptical of negotiations, pointing out that it was "hard to negotiate with a tyrant who has no intention of honoring his commitments and who sees nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons as his country's salvation."

So, too, the Washington Post, which greeted the inauguration of George W. Bush in January 2001 with this admonition:

Of all the booby traps left behind by the Clinton administration, none is more dangerous--or more urgent--than the situation in Iraq. Over the last year, Mr. Clinton and his team quietly avoided dealing with, or calling attention to, the almost complete unraveling of a decade's efforts to isolate the regime of Saddam Hussein and prevent it from rebuilding its weapons of mass destruction. That leaves President Bush to confront a dismaying panorama in the Persian Gulf [where] intelligence photos . . . show the reconstruction of factories long suspected of producing chemical and biological weapons.

All this should surely suffice to prove far beyond any even unreasonable doubt that Mr. Bush was telling what he believed to be the truth about Saddam's stockpile of WMD. It also disposes of the fallback charge that Mr. Bush lied by exaggerating or hyping the intelligence presented to him. Why on earth would he have done so when the intelligence itself was so compelling that it convinced everyone who had direct access to it, and when hardly anyone in the world believed that Saddam had, as he claimed, complied with the 16 resolutions of the Security Council demanding that he get rid of his weapons of mass destruction?

Another fallback charge is that Mr. Bush, operating mainly through Mr. Cheney, somehow forced the CIA into telling him what he wanted to hear. Yet in its report of 2004, the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, while criticizing the CIA for relying on what in hindsight looked like weak or faulty intelligence, stated that it "did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence, or pressure analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq's weapons-of-mass-destruction capabilities.
The March 2005 report of the equally bipartisan Robb-Silberman commission, which investigated intelligence failures on Iraq, reached the same conclusion, finding "no evidence of political pressure to influence the intelligence community's pre-war assessments of Iraq's weapons programs. . . . Analysts universally asserted that in no instance did political pressure cause them to skew or alter any of their analytical judgments."

Still, even many who believed that Saddam did possess WMD, and was ruthless enough to use them, accused Mr. Bush of telling a different sort of lie by characterizing the risk as "imminent." But this, too, is false: Mr. Bush consistently rejected imminence as a justification for war. Thus, in the State of the Union address he delivered only three months after 9/11, Mr. Bush declared that he would "not wait on events while dangers gather" and that he would "not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer." Then, in a speech at West Point six months later, he reiterated the same point: "If we wait for threats to materialize, we will have waited too long." And as if that were not clear enough, he went out of his way in his State of the Union address in 2003 (that is, three months before the invasion), to bring up the word "imminent" itself precisely in order to repudiate it:

Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.
What of the related charge that it was still another "lie" to suggest, as Mr. Bush and his people did, that a connection could be traced between Saddam Hussein and the al Qaeda terrorists who had attacked us on 9/11? This charge was also rejected by the Senate Intelligence Committee. Contrary to how its findings were summarized in the mainstream media, the committee's report explicitly concluded that al Qaeda did in fact have a cooperative, if informal, relationship with Iraqi agents working under Saddam. The report of the bipartisan 9/11 commission came to the same conclusion, as did a comparably independent British investigation conducted by Lord Butler, which pointed to "meetings . . . between senior Iraqi representatives and senior al-Qaeda operatives."

Which brings us to Joseph C. Wilson, IV and what to my mind wins the palm for the most disgraceful instance of all.
The story begins with the notorious 16 words inserted--after, be it noted, much vetting by the CIA and the State Department--into Bush's 2003 State of the Union address:

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
This is the "lie" Mr. Wilson bragged of having "debunked" after being sent by the CIA to Niger in 2002 to check out the intelligence it had received to that effect. Mr. Wilson would later angrily deny that his wife had recommended him for this mission, and would do his best to spread the impression that choosing him had been the vice president's idea. But Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times, through whom Mr. Wilson first planted this impression, was eventually forced to admit that "Cheney apparently didn't know that Wilson had been dispatched." (By the time Mr. Kristof grudgingly issued this retraction, Mr. Wilson himself, in characteristically shameless fashion, was denying that he had ever "said the vice president sent me or ordered me sent.") And as for his wife's supposed nonrole in his mission, here is what Valerie Plame Wilson wrote in a memo to her boss at the CIA:

My husband has good relations with the PM [the prime minister of Niger] and the former minister of mines . . ., both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.
More than a year after his return, with the help of Mr. Kristof, and also Walter Pincus of the Washington Post, and then through an op-ed piece in the Times under his own name, Mr. Wilson succeeded, probably beyond his wildest dreams, in setting off a political firestorm.
In response, the White House, no doubt hoping to prevent his allegation about the 16 words from becoming a proxy for the charge that (in Mr. Wilson's latest iteration of it) "lies and disinformation [were] used to justify the invasion of Iraq," eventually acknowledged that the president's statement "did not rise to the level of inclusion in the State of the Union address." As might have been expected, however, this panicky response served to make things worse rather than better. And yet it was totally unnecessary--for the maddeningly simple reason that every single one of the 16 words at issue was true.

That is, British intelligence had assured the CIA that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy enriched uranium from the African country of Niger. Furthermore--and notwithstanding the endlessly repeated assertion that this assurance has now been discredited--Britain's independent Butler commission concluded that it was "well-founded." The relevant passage is worth quoting at length:

a. It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999.
b. The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible.

c. The evidence was not conclusive that Iraq actually purchased, as opposed to having sought, uranium, and the British government did not claim this.

As if that were not enough to settle the matter, Mr. Wilson himself, far from challenging the British report when he was "debriefed" on his return from Niger (although challenging it is what he now never stops doing), actually strengthened the CIA's belief in its accuracy. From the Senate Intelligence Committee report:

He [the CIA reports officer] said he judged that the most important fact in the report [by Mr. Wilson] was that Niger officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Niger prime minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium.
And again:

The report on [Mr. Wilson's] trip to Niger . . . did not change any analysts' assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original CIA reports on the uranium deal.
This passage goes on to note that the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research--which (as we have already seen) did not believe that Saddam Hussein was trying to develop nuclear weapons--found support in Mr. Wilson's report for its "assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq." But if so, this, as the Butler report quoted above points out, would not mean that Iraq had not tried to buy it--which was the only claim made by British intelligence and then by Mr. Bush in the famous 16 words.
The liar here, then, was not Mr. Bush but Mr. Wilson. And Mr. Wilson also lied when he told the Washington Post that he had unmasked as forgeries certain documents given to American intelligence (by whom it is not yet clear) that supposedly contained additional evidence of Saddam's efforts to buy uranium from Niger. The documents did indeed turn out to be forgeries; but, according to the Butler report:

The forged documents were not available to the British government at the time its assessment was made, and so the fact of the forgery does not undermine [that assessment].
More damning yet to Mr. Wilson, the Senate Intelligence Committee discovered that he had never laid eyes on the documents in question:

[Mr. Wilson] also told committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article . . . which said, "among the envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because 'the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.' " Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong" when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports.
To top all this off, just as Mr. Cheney had nothing to do with the choice of Mr. Wilson for the mission to Niger, neither was it true that, as Mr. Wilson "confirmed" for a credulous New Republic reporter, "the CIA circulated [his] report to the Vice President's office," thereby supposedly proving that Cheney and his staff "knew the Niger story was a flat-out lie." Yet--the mind reels--if Mr. Cheney had actually been briefed on Mr. Wilson's oral report to the CIA (which he was not), he would, like the CIA itself, have been more inclined to believe that Saddam had tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger.
So much for the author of the best-selling and much-acclaimed book whose title alone--"The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity"--has set a new record for chutzpah.

But there is worse. In his press conference on the indictment against Mr. Libby, Patrick Fitzgerald insisted that lying to federal investigators is a serious crime both because it is itself against the law and because, by sending them on endless wild-goose chases, it constitutes the even more serious crime of obstruction of justice. By those standards, Mr. Wilson--who has repeatedly made false statements about every aspect of his mission to Niger, including whose idea it was to send him and what he told the CIA upon his return; who was then shown up by the Senate Intelligence Committee as having lied about the forged documents; and whose mendacity has sent the whole country into a wild-goose chase after allegations that, the more they are refuted, the more they keep being repeated--is himself an excellent candidate for criminal prosecution.
And so long as we are hunting for liars in this area, let me suggest that we begin with the Democrats now proclaiming that they were duped, and that we then broaden out to all those who in their desperation to delegitimize the larger policy being tested in Iraq--the policy of making the Middle East safe for America by making it safe for democracy--have consistently used distortion, misrepresentation and selective perception to vilify as immoral a bold and noble enterprise and to brand as an ignominious defeat what is proving itself more and more every day to be a victory of American arms and a vindication of American ideals.

Mr. Podhoretz is editor-at-large of Commentary

Submitted by hatenomor on December 6, 2006 - 5:34pm

Did you really hope to accomplish something with a ginormous post that no one will read from a widely known Neoconservative?

Submitted by hatenomor on December 6, 2006 - 5:34pm

Well, that sure was a stinky, steamy pile of elephant shit. P-U.
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Happy Holidays!

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Worst President Ever!

provide proof and links to websites

that the MO stem cell research bill redefined cloning and what it redefined cloning as.

Did you show your daughter

the video of Rush making fun of MJF? Does she know that you get news from a drug addict convicted DR. shopper who is 3 times divorced and was busted with Viagra leaving a country famous for sex slavery? Does she know you get news from a phone sex pervert who had to settle out of court to avoid embarrassment? Do you tell her that these are the people who you rely on to validate your warped view of the world? Or do you lie to her or just avoid telling her?

Why are you so obsessed with

Why are you so obsessed with rush and oreilly's sex lives? Could it be a fantasy of yours?

yeah -- froggy wants his kid to emulate a doctor shopper

maybe then he'll get his meds for a better price.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

answer the question

Do you tell your daughter that you listen to drug addicts and sexual perverts?

It's just that broken record

It's just that broken record thing you were talking about.
I bet every person at aar do some kind of illegal drug.

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WRONG AGAIN, AND STILL YOU GO ON............

THE COMMON WORKING GUY SPEAKS!!!

get this straight frogg

you really are an idiot.

calling you an idiot = truth

Huh>?

The goal was and is to make them victims of the Bush financial world. You need a study in Bush history. The generations of supposedly "self made" men, uncles, nephews, sons have all made shady, criminal deals all over the world through government and business. It's all connected to who is in power, when and where. They look down on anyone who doesn't come from old money. Noveau rich, middle class, poor, foreigner or American citizen. We are all 2nd class to the Bush family and friends.

You've got to be kidding

Reagan was a mediocre president. Mediocre, not great, not terrible. He trashed the economy, but he happened to be the president at the time the USSR fell, and you idiots give him credit for that. It might have happened under Carter or Bush Sr, because it was going to happen. Reagan was supposedly in charge while his cabal was illegally involved in the Iran-Contra scandal to get around US laws and overturn a legally and democratically elected government. I say supposedly because his Alzheimers was so bad he might not have know what they were doing. He was good at delivering speeches, but he was an actor. He often had trouble telling reality apart from movies he had watched. The reason he was called the Teflon president is that people never blamed him for what was going on around him and what he SHOULD have known was going on. Already the media was being controlled by the right, or so it seems.
As far as Iran goes, he probably negotiated with the Iranians to release the hostages in time to make him really popular. Iranians say they did. And as the Iran-Contra scandal shows, Reagan was not afraid of dealing with Iran, above or below the table.

"Blind faith in bad leaders is not patriotism." SLC mayor Rocky Anderson, 8/30/06

Video Is a Window Into a Terror Suspect’s Isolation

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/us/04detain.html?ex=1165899600&en=d1a7...

One spring day during his three and a half years as an enemy combatant, Jose Padilla experienced a break from the monotony of his solitary confinement in a bare cell in the brig at the Naval Weapons Station in Charleston, S.C.

That day, Mr. Padilla, a Brooklyn-born Muslim convert whom the Bush administration had accused of plotting a dirty bomb attack and had detained without charges, got to go to the dentist.

“Today is May 21,

heheh

The entire Middle East will go up in flames regardless of what daddy's friends are trying to do. 1 or 2 major attacks on our forces will give King George Jr. the green light to head towards Iran. $200 a barrel oil comming soon!!

In Other Words…

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/06/in-other-words/#more-5922

"Grow up, Junior, and start doing your damn job."

Circumstances in Iraq are "grave and deteriorating," with a potential government collapse and a "humanitarian catastrophe" if the U.S. does not change course and seek a broader diplomatic solution to the problems that have wracked the country since the U.S. invaded, according to a bipartisan panel that sent its findings to President Bush and Congress today.

In what amounts to the most extensive independent assessment of the nearly four-year-old conflict that has claimed the lives of 2,800 Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis, the Iraq Study Group painted a bleak picture of a nation that risks a "slide toward chaos" without new efforts to reconcile its feuding religious and ethnic minorities.

Despite a laundry list of recommendations meant to encourage regional diplomacy and lead to a draw down of U.S. forces over the next year, the panel acknowledged that stability in the country may be impossible to achieve any time soon.

"No one can guarantee that any course of action in Iraq at this point will stop sectarian warfare, growing violence or a slide toward chaos," the panel's two chairmen, former Secretary of State James A. Baker III and former Democratic Congressman Lee Hamilton, wrote in a joint letter accompanying the 142 page report. "There is no magic formula to solve the problems of Iraq."…

Some of its conclusions, such as the need for a phased withdrawal and for shifting the mission of U.S. forces, have been reported over the past few days. Much of the report, though, emphasizes diplomatic options. Advisers said they pushed for dialogue with Iraq's immediate neighbors, Iran and Syria, as a major path toward improving the situation, despite a belief that Bush would reject the recommendation outright because of those countries' ties to terrorism.

Baker, who as secretary of state spent much time working to bring peace to the Middle East after the Persian Gulf War, made a personal point of including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the report and "laying out the importance of why it needs to be dealt with and a strategy to deal with it," said a source familiar with the report. Baker has been close to the Saudi royal family and his ideas may provoke opposition from Israel and its allies.

Should be an interesting day today as we begin to hear the extent to which the "grown-ups" have taken Junior to the woodshed — both in the public document as well as in private. (You just know that bits and pieces of that are going to leak out, no matter how much they want to keep it under wraps.)

That President Bush has to be told that diplomacy by him and by his Secretary of State is important as a crucial element of our nation's interaction with the rest of the world? Well…it is embarrassing, and that James Baker has apparently spelled it out in direct language in the ISG document says a LOT about how much resistence they are expecting from President Bush on this aspect of his job, doesn't it?

The AP has more, having gotten their hands on at least a part of the report before its release publicly at 11 am ET. After Gates' statement yesterday that we are decidedly not winning in Iraq, the one-two of this report today has got to sting — and no matter how much tap dancing Tony Snowjob may be able to manage today, the bottom line is this: people from the outside had to be brought in — AGAIN — to clean up Junior's failures.

Something that Amb. Joseph Wilson said earlier in the week when he was chatting with everyone resonates this morning, and I wanted to highlight it again before the ISG report is released. In responding to a question from reader Bustedknuckles regarding experienced diplomats who might be able to impact the mess that is Iraq, Joe said:

MUCH more at the link above --

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Pelosi Statement on Iraq Study Group Report

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=77156

12/6/2006 11:34:00 AM

To: National Desk

Contact: Brendan Daly or Jennifer Crider, 202-226-7616, both of the Office of Speaker-designate Nancy Pelosi

WASHINGTON, Dec. 6 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Speaker-designate Nancy Pelosi released the following statement this morning on the report issued today by the Iraq Study Group:

"The bipartisan Iraq Study Group has concluded that the President's Iraq policy has failed and must be changed. As the November elections clearly demonstrated, that is an assessment shared by the American people.

"Months ago, House and Senate Democratic leaders suggested to the President that he implement one of the Study Group's chief recommendations - to change the primary mission of U.S. troops in Iraq from combat to training and support, which would enable the redeployment of U.S. forces to begin. Now that the Study Group has endorsed this proposal, I hope that the President will recognize that he must take our policy in Iraq in a new direction.

"If the President is serious about the need for change in Iraq, he will find Democrats ready to work with him in a bipartisan fashion to find a way to end the war as quickly as possible. We are committed to ensuring that the ideas of the Iraq Study Group, as well as the ideas of other thoughtful people inside and outside of government, are given full consideration in that process."

http://www.usnewswire.com/

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

200$ per barrel ay?They

200$ per barrel ay?

They are powerless, a good ammount of people living in Iran don't go for all that anti west crap for one thing.

The world would suffer including Iran if they mess with oil prices.Plus the other kartel mob, will say FU, and undercut Iran.

You people act like bush IS the world leader-hitler.How you can give Bush that much credit is a typical nazi dems-liberal anti USA , not anti Bush anymore.
You had your say with the election, but still !!! all this crap.You people thrive on making sure USA fails at every turn.
All because Gore lost, wierd people, bad americans, just that simple

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(the coffee is hot) lol

Actually....

From what I have read the only country with any real excess oil producing capacity is Saudi Arabia. If Iran's oil is taken off the market, there is not enough excess capacity to cover it.

What comes around goes

What comes around goes around, ALL countries will suffer, more than USA will.

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That's probably at least partially true

It serves to point out that oil dependency is not a good thing, and wars for oil just postpone the inevitable. We (meaning all the industrial and postindustrial nations) can't maintain the culture of oil that much longer, but we don't want to do shit about it either because after all that means fewer profits for Big Oil.

One of these days, the angry white guys of America will be trading that big ass pickup truck in for a seat on the bus, like it or not.

wow

you certainly are optomistic.

But that would be the general consensus amoung cons right? If were going to suffer than by-god the rest of the world will suffer far greater! Is that what you call compassionate conservativism?

git-er-done!

Never crossed my mind, it's

Never crossed my mind, it's just that if you start out with a lot, food?, water? and all of our oil reserve, we could outlast many.

Say we stop all food,grain exports, wich we should anyway, tons of people would rely on those other nations you all here love so much.

So how much food does south america have , india, china, they have lots of people.

WARNING
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UHHHHHHHHH..........HOW ARE YOU............

Going to produce this food, transport this food and store this food, if you have no fuel to do it with. Do you think farmers are going to be able to pay for 30 dollar a gallon fuel, if they are only getting 50 cents a hundred for wheat, because that is what the price will be, if they can't export and there will be huge surpluses. What oil reserve are you talking about? If that was so, we would not need to be worried about what happens over there.

You might wake up fat.......er.......but I doubt happier. Ofcourse, it would be a world of difference to you, just to wake up for once.

THE COMMON WORKING GUY SPEAKS!!!

Oh bullshit, how many people

Oh bullshit, how many people live in india, and china, how much crap would they be producing to make a profit that they sell to us.
How far do we need to go in our towns to find a field of wild corn or planted without machines, we aint talking about you elitest liberal types who need avacado dip.
I say usa could outlast every country, no matter what happens.How many other countries did we NEED for katrina but again the anti usa attitude around here, you would be sueing earthworms if we had to rough it out.
Per community we alone without any oil could sustain, like the wild west.

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I LIVE IN THE WILD WEST, QBALL............AND I WAS RAISED......

On a farm and I am a good hunter and a better fisherman. So, I am familiar with living your so called wild west life. And you are so full of bullshit, it is a wonder you ain't been made into hamburger, by some illegal alien, working in a slaughter house.

THE COMMON WORKING GUY SPEAKS!!!

SO, QBALL,TAKE.........

Your inarticulate drivel and go somewhere else........you will not be missed by anyone here......count on it!!!!

THE COMMON WORKING GUY SPEAKS!!!

What exactly has anyone here

What exactly has anyone here said that is anti-American? We're not talking being anti-Bush which is actually being for America and the ideals Americans believe.

Oh, reason for this headline

Oh, reason for this headline here.

"See us liberals can say Bush was wrong again"

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And your point is......?

Oh, that's right. Q has no point because his neocon masters LOST BIG, even the Repubs know we can't Stay the Course, and one way or another we will have stem cell research. Soooo, the wisdom from the Q Continuum involves an obscure snipe at, well...somebody, because I can't even tell who he's pissed at.

Yep, Bush was WRONG again.

Don't ya just hate it when those pesky facts disagree with your firmly held, yet strangely psychopathic world view?

Lets see... powerless...

Lets see... powerless... Iran can and will blockade the entire gulf if the US attacks them. The Shia and Sunni's will without a doubt go to war with each other... I mean by that Iran, Syria, Egypt Saudia Arabia. The US will pick the Sunni's side.
Yep King Bush Jr. openned this can of worms up he literally fuxxed up the entire Middle East. Dont think so? Look @ Lebannon... they are already fuxxed.
Its all unravelling

"And I woulda gotsed away with it too..."

"If it wasn't fer you MEDDLING LIBS!"

Let the Foot-Dragging Begin with Chimpie

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WBT006270.htm

White House: rules out one-on-one talks with Iran

WASHINGTON, Dec 6 (Reuters) - The White House on Wednesday said it has ruled out one-on-one talks with Iran about Iraq unless Tehran suspends uranium enrichment, after the Iraq Study Group recommended more engagement with the Islamic Republic.

"It's not clear ... whether the report advocates one-on-one talks with Iran, there is talk about developing a support group," White House spokesman Tony Snow said. "There may be a difference between one-on-one talks with Iran, which is something that we have ruled out," he said, unless Tehran suspends enrichment and reprocessing activities.

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anybody really believe Chimpie was going to listen to the ISG?

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Terror From the Right - Almost 60 terrorist plots uncovered in t

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1065

Almost 60 terrorist plots uncovered in the U.S.
By Andrew Blejwas, Anthony Griggs and Mark Potok

Ten years after the Oklahoma City bombing left 168 people dead, the guardians of American national security seem to have decided that the domestic radical right does not pose a substantial threat to U.S. citizens.

A draft internal document from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that was obtained this spring by The Congressional Quarterly lists the only serious domestic terrorist threats as radical animal rights and environmental groups like the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front. But for all the property damage they have wreaked, eco-radicals have killed no one — something that most definitely cannot be said of the white supremacists and others who people the American radical right.

In the 10 years since the April 19, 1995, bombing in Oklahoma City, in fact, the radical right has produced some 60 terrorist plots. These have included plans to bomb or burn government buildings, banks, refineries, utilities, clinics, synagogues, mosques, memorials and bridges; to assassinate police officers, judges, politicians, civil rights figures and others; to rob banks, armored cars and other criminals; and to amass illegal machine guns, missiles, explosives, and biological and chemical weapons. What follows is a list of key right-wing plots of the last 10 years. Click on years for a list of plots.

1995
A plot to blow up IRS buildings is uncovered.
Saboteurs derail an Amtrak train killing one and injuring others.
Four receive jail time for their parts in plots targeting gay bars, abortion clinics and the SPLC.
One other incident reported.

1996
Seven people are charged in a string of 22 bank robberies.
An anti-government activist is charged with illegal possession of explosives.
Larry Wayne Shoemake kills one and wounds seven in a racist shooting spree.
Six other incidents reported.

1997
Seven people are injured in an abortion-clinic bombing.
Authorities raid the home of a suspected KKK member.
Officials say a militia activist plotted to bomb several federal buildings.
Six other incidents reported.

1998
A police officer is killed and a nurse horribly maimed in an abortion-clinic bombing.
New Order members plot to assassinate a judge and civil rights lawyer Morris Dees.
Three militia members conspired to bomb federal buildings.
Four other incidents reported.

1999
A National Alliance member tells federal agents he planned to mail bomb targets in Washington D.C.
Brothers admit their guilt in three synagogue arsons, the arson of an abortion clinic and the murder of a gay couple in California.
Benjamin Nathaniel Smith kills two and wounds nine in a shooting spree.
Four other incidents reported.

2000
Mark Wayne McCool, convinced of a UN stash within, allegedly plans to attack the Houston federal building.
Richard Baumhammers is sentenced to death after his racist rampage killing five people.

2001
Authorities find a list of targets during a raid of Fritz Springmeier's home.
Aryan Unit One members plan to blow up black and Jewish landmarks.
Anti-abortion extremist Clayton Lee Wagner posts a threat on the Internet warning "if you work for the murderous abortionist, I'm going to kill you."
Two other incidents reported.

2002
Authorities find an e-mail from National Alliance member Michael Edward Smith stating Jews "perhaps" should be "stuffed head first into an oven."
Project 7 leader is arrested after authorities are informed of the group's plan to start a revolution.
Klan leader Charles Robert Barefoot Jr. allegedly plots to blow up the Johnson County sheriff and his office.
Two other incidents reported.

2003
World Church of the Creator leader Matt Hale is charged with soliciting the murder of a federal judge.
An informant tells the FBI that James Brailey is plotting to murder Gov. Gary Locke.
KKK imperial wizard and Christian Identity adherent David Wayne Hull publishes a newsletter in which he urges readers to write Timothy McVeigh "to tell this great man goodbye."
Four other incidents reported.

2004
Father and son political extremists kill a security guard during a robbery.
A discharged National Guardsman tells FBI he planned to blow up a synagogue.
Neo-Nazi Skinhead Sean Gillespie videotapes himself firebombing and Oklahoma City synagogue as part of a file he is preparing to inspire other raciststs.
One other incident reported.

2005
Reported World Church of the Creator leader Gabriel Garafa is charged with illegally selling guns to police informants.

MUCH MUCH more at the link above -- *12* pages worth of information!

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Therin lies the irony,

Therin lies the irony, Hobbit. They only feel threatened by brown people apparently. White terrorists are classified as militia (right to bear arms, etc). I support that right, and I own weapons, but when people organize to terrorize other citizens, and the difference between them being classified as terrorists or militiamen depends on their beliefs, something is wrong here. I smell institutionalized racism. They think Tim McVeigh was the only white terrorist ever. I'm not defending ANY terrorists, black (DC Sniper) or white (pick one). But I do sense a general downplaying of white terrorism compared to brown. Not splitting hairs, just agreeing that there is a slanted representation (surprised?).

Worst President Ever!

Very much downplayed by the Media

Faux and the other minions want to keep their eyes on the "prize". They make more money and garner more viewers if the *terrorists* are darker or have names their viewership cannot pronounce.

It's frightening when you go through this list and see just how much has NOT been reported on by the mass media.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Of course people - especially those "liberal" media types ...

will downplay white terrorists ... it's much easier to play up the brown terrorists and that just SCREAMS blatant racism. Why blame one's own when one can blame someone else because they're "different"?

AND NOW for some REAL

AND NOW for some REAL news

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1747767/posts

San Franciso gets nothing from the Navy now.
A great thing, less money for the town, means less idiots get voted in next time.

I don't know nor care who the "freerepublic.com" is, it was an AP news, so don't get all bent if it's a so called right wing site, because I don't know and don't care.
However the story is great, and true.

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wrong again

the LIBERALS in San Francisco are some of the richest people in the country. They do not need money, unlike you poor uneducated fascists.

Who cares? San Fran will

Who cares? San Fran will continue being the beautiful cultural beacon it has always been. And rice-a-roni is still da bomb. ;P

Worst President Ever!

faade

Now this is just an old joke...

"Ahhhh California, land where the oranges suck back."

Kicked the slats out of my cradle on that one.

I know a boat load of similar cutdown jokes about Texas too.

Isn't Southeast Texas...

"Where the men are men,and the sheep are scared?" (We used to say that about Central CA, when I was a DJ there :)

they still say that about Central CA LOL!

;-X!!!!

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

LOL!!!! Share em! Worst

LOL!!!!

Share em!

Worst President Ever!

now I KNOW you're a dimwit

posting from Free Republic?

You *do* know that is the site being investigated because one of their posters was sending envelopes of white powder to quite a large group of people?

Or perhaps your real name is Chad and they won't let you post there anymore?

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Stay tuned, Hobbs!

Next he'll be telling us all about the crop circles, which are actually landing markers for an invasion from Sirius, made by liberals and gay men!

no kidding!

It's actually quite ironic that he posts a link to freeperland. These are the same drones who were hoping that Rick Santorum would be offered up as the next UN Ambassador.

The same guy who brought his dead baby home to play with his kids.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

What is truly sad...

Is that during the election, I heard the media call Sanitarium a "moderate." I guess he's only moderately psychopathic.

Q-ball wrote:>A great

Q-ball wrote:

>A great thing, less money for the town,
>means less idiots get voted in next time.

FYI that should be "FEWER idiots." Like, there are FEWER idiots here at AAR's blog than at Freep because it's just you and Hatey here.

Terror war a bust -- stats inflated

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/477528p-401774c.html

Stats inflated: study

BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Federal authorities' strategy of arresting terror suspects on any charge possible has proved effective in thwarting attacks, but too often prosecutors have inflated the importance of the busts, a new study says.

"The strategy of disruption has worked, but they hyped these cases to be more than what they seemed," said Karen Greenberg, author of the study by New York University's Center of Law and Security.

"It leaves their record of prosecuting the war on terror unconvincing," she said yesterday.

Of 510 cases since the Sept. 11 attacks that the government said were terrorism-related, only 30% of the defendants were actually prosecuted on a terrorism charge, the NYU study found. Most of the others faced charges such as fraud, racketeering or conspiracy.

While 169 cases are still pending, only four people charged since the 2001 attacks were convicted for trying to commit an act of terrorism, the study said.

Justice Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said the report "reflects the underlying premise of our strategy to prevent and disrupt terrorists before they can carry out what they may be conspiring to do, by using any and all tools at our disposal in the U.S. code."

Terror prosecutions have declined from a spike in the three months following the 9/11 attacks, when 116 people were indicted. Only 57 have been indicted in 2006.

The NYU study found that only 14% of the defendants were tied to Al Qaeda. Of the 510 defendants, more than half had "no known affiliation" with any terrorist group.

Justice officials said that suggests homegrown terror is a bigger threat than many realize.

Material support for terrorism was the most common charge in cases where a defendant was slapped with a federal terrorism offense - but only 30% were convicted. Officials noted, however, that the pending cases skew that statistic.

Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy, who led probes of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, said the strategy has worked. But he said when the feds oversell a case's terror ties, it's "woefully unproductive [because] it tells the bad guys that we don't know what we think we know."

The report also found that no sleeper cell with "logistical or tactical links to Al Qaeda" has been uncovered in the U.S.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Why are you people so damned

Why are you people so damned stupid.

The ONLY web site I know as being left, right is Aar, I know this site is for the loons,and would NEVER post or paste from here.Such hate and misinformed asswipes of all time, but I don't keep track of crap like that.

I only post "a link" the story was from AP, but your so stupid I have to repeat myself.

As for rich people, but oh, oh no, I thought you all hated anyone with money.
Regardless, all I ever hear about that place is "homeless", "gay", "peeing in public", "help drug abusers by giving them their fix", and of course "rice or roni" so it proves that a liberal city with lots of money, keeps the downtrodden right where they want them.Typical bleeding heart, "we know what you want" liberals.

Ah, but now I hear different news, and it's about time, SF will fail, as it works it way through the liberal scum of ideas.

WARNING
(the coffee is hot) lol

And how is that relevant to the TOPIC?

Said topic being, that President Deserter fucked up in Iraq and now we're all paying for it.

You LOST, dittohead. Go beat off to your Toby Keith CDs.

What are you babbling about?

We can't pee in public? We have a piece of shit in the oval office. We should pass a law against that. Where's the pooper scooper when we need it?

Let's impeach the president for lying-Neil Young

Sorry buddy, but a liberal

Sorry buddy, but a liberal would be making laws that mess with our current daily lives.

You are the nazi party, and really do want to trash our freedom.
no rotc? hmmm
no smoking? hmmm
no oil drilling,? hmm
seatbelts? hmm
laws to force companies to go elseware.10 years to get a plant started, china, sign up and build.
now a stupid ass Co2 law, supreme court?
I seriously hate anything liberal, unless they start doing things that actualy help instead of hinder and rob our freedom.
show a cross? hmm

the list goes on and on all in the name of
"we know what you want"
so why be free,
you want the gov for benifets, not a gov.
so stupid, I hope you people trip on a crack on the sidewalk, or get struck by lightning, perfect justice, no body to sue, no body to blame.

WARNING
(the coffee is hot) lol

you forgot motorcycle

you forgot motorcycle helmets(not forced on the good people of texas yet) and not being alowed to drive SUV's the size of houses.

yeah froggy -- we know you can't afford those BIG suv's

that 50 cent an hour raise can't cover the payments LOL!

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Besides...

He can park his '85 Colt in the "Compact" space at Wal-Mart!

hey LT -- did you hear? Santorum voted NO on Gates!

The Free Republic tards are going to have more than a few head explosions tonight!

No UN position for Ricky!!!!

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Submitted by jfrogg on December 6, 2006 - 5:07pm.

You forgot the second "L" in "allowed".
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Happy Holidays!

See #9

CHEAP LIBERAL TACTICS 101

1. Answering questions with questions.
2. But monkey (This is great BUT, heres why its not.)
3. Kinda Like When monkey. Trying to quickly change the subject with a simple "kinda like when bush did this and that."
4. Two wrongs make a right. (its fine that clinton didnt get bin laden, just because bush didnt.)
5. Resorting to namecalling when you dont have the ability to make an actual point.
6. Make accusations or claims without having anything to back up those accusations or claims. Tell anyone that questions your claims to do their own research.
7. Liar labeler. Those sources or claims dont agree with me so they must be liars.
8. When in doubt, it was a conspiricy.
9. Attack grammar and spelling when you can't make any real points.
10. Putting words into other people's mouths.
11. Apples to oranges. (we cant tell iran to not have nukes, because we have them.)

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