Huge Turnout for Anti-US Rally in Iraq

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Hundreds of thousands of supporters of the radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr took to the streets of two cities in Iraq today to protest against "US occupiers", responding to al-Sadr’s call for demonstration. Al-Sadr – a key supporter of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki – has also called for the Shiite militias under his command to renew and increase their attacks on U.S. forces, after a period of relative calm during which the militias had agreed to stay off the streets.

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Good news for republicans

Bush also giving a pro immigrant speech(cheap labor) today.

They are probably screaming right now. "Why does W wanted us all to lose our elections and create a permanent democratic majority"?

These guys need a new crystal ball.

"And a year from now, I'll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush."

Richard Perle, neocon, Monday, September 22, 2003. Lunchtime, because it was a luncheon keynote speech.

http://www.aei.org/events/contentID.20031003144313426/default.asp

Ooooh, 'luncheon'. Don't mind me, mater, I'm off to play the grand pi-ah-no after flying to Baghdad in my AERO-plane (apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus).

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
-Daniel P. Moynihan

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

So much for those flowers, huh?

Did they EVER greet the troops with that nonsense?

And though tyranny, because it needs no consent, may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people : Hannah Arendt, from her book The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.

Sure

It lasted as long as the love by Katrina victims. About 2 days.

I applaud the Iraqi people for using their new democracy

in the way it is supposed to be used, to let the government know how the people feel and to demand that their concerns be addressed. They have once again proven that in some ways, they have more respect for their rights and cherish them more than we do. We may have created hell on earth over there, but I think those people show more courage and determination that the vast majority of americans. I heard today that they tracked down the guy who was taking a sledgehammer to the giant Saddam statue 4 years ago today, and he said that even though life under Saddam was absolutely terrible, the life under US occupation is far, far worse.

I think our press is treating the Iraqis like they treat us

They don't report on anything that might put the BushCabal into a bad light until it grows to an immense size.

Good for them to organize enough to get their message across.

And though tyranny, because it needs no consent, may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people : Hannah Arendt, from her book The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.

The army had the gall to say that only

5-7000 Iraqis were protesting, just as the press marginalized the St. Patricks Day anti-war demonstrations.

yup -- exactly.

There's a good blog piece I'm going to post about the lies the media passes on. It's suitable for here.

And though tyranny, because it needs no consent, may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people : Hannah Arendt, from her book The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.

Does it address CNN's

Does it address CNN's inexplicable hard-on for the Pelosi/Syria "story"?

it hits on that and the general attitude of the press to take

take everything coming from the WH and the republicans as truth.

And though tyranny, because it needs no consent, may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people : Hannah Arendt, from her book The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.

Very pitiful indeed.

The media has gotten slapped some many times for its obvious weakness when it comes to Chimpy & Co. - you'd think it would eventually get the hint. Obviously not. Pathetic.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

You don't...

Bite the hand that feeds you.

As journalists, that shouldn't be a concern.

For a journalist to be worth half the weight of their degree, the concern should be with reporting the truth and making sure all your facts check out instead of whether Chimpy will invite you to the WH BBQ. I'm no journalist but I do know that getting true and factually correct information to the masses is number one priority.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

i dont know about biting the hand that feeds you

but it's ok to use your freedom and democracy. in fact, you should be encouraged to do so.

They don't call it an

They don't call it an occupation and call what McCain did mis-speaking.

It looks more like a

pre-planned marketing strategy fresh off the propaganda rack at the RNC.

Straw Men And Fences

The One-Trick Pony Of Immigration

It takes a village to have an idiot - Actor212

Imagine Turnout For Bush Pro-War Rally

How many people would show up if Chimpy & The Dreamers called for a demonstration in support of his Iraq policy and handling of the so-called "war on terror?"

You probably wouldn't even be able to tell anything was going on.

They tried it during the war protest

about 75 beer bellies and a handful of leather queens on mopeds showed up.

And though tyranny, because it needs no consent, may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people : Hannah Arendt, from her book The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.

PAUL KRUGMAN: Sweet Little Lies

http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/04/paul-krugman-sweet-l...

Four years into a war fought to eliminate a nonexistent threat, we all have renewed appreciation for the power of the Big Lie: people tend to believe false official claims about big issues, because they can’t picture their leaders being dishonest about such things.

But there’s another political lesson I don’t think has sunk in: the power of the Little Lie — the small accusation invented out of thin air, followed by another, and another, and another. Little Lies aren’t meant to have staying power. Instead, they create a sort of background hum, a sense that the person facing all these accusations must have done something wrong.

For a long time, basically from 9/11 until the last remnants of President Bush’s credibility drowned in New Orleans, the Bush administration was able to go big on its deceptions. Most people found it inconceivable that an American president would, for example, assert without evidence that Saddam and Al Qaeda were allies. Mr. Bush won the 2004 election because a quorum of voters still couldn’t believe he would grossly mislead them on matters of national security.

Before 9/11, however, the right-wing noise machine mainly relied on little lies. And now it has returned to its roots.

The Clinton years were a parade of fake scandals: Whitewater, Troopergate, Travelgate, Filegate, Christmas-card-gate. At the end, there were false claims that Clinton staff members trashed the White House on their way out.

Each pseudoscandal got headlines, air time and finger-wagging from the talking heads. The eventual discovery in each case that there was no there there, if reported at all, received far less attention. The effect was to make an administration that was, in fact, pretty honest and well run — especially compared with its successor — seem mired in scandal.

Even in the post-9/11 environment, little lies never went away. In particular, promoting little lies seems to have been one of the main things U.S. attorneys, as loyal Bushies, were expected to do. For example, David Iglesias, the U.S. Attorney in New Mexico, appears to have been fired because he wouldn’t bring unwarranted charges of voter fraud.

There’s a lot of talk now about a case in Wisconsin, where the Bush-appointed U.S. attorney prosecuted the state’s purchasing supervisor over charges that a court recently dismissed after just 26 minutes of oral testimony, with one judge calling the evidence “beyond thin.

And yet Iran continues to fight America

Submitted by HobbitGoddess on March 27, 2007 - 5:13pm.

The USA will shoot on April 6

A Russian newspaper has claimed that the USA will shoot Iranian nuclear facilities and the bombardment will last 10 hours.

Many politicians, diplomats and journalists have mentioned the possibility of US military intervention in Iran to stop its nuclear program. The US government has implied supporting this option by saying "every option is on the table." A weekly newspaper in Russia has even gone so far as to announce the date and even the hour of the war. According to the Argominti Nidili newspaper, the USA will bomb Iran's nuclear facilities on April 6th in the morning from 6 a.m to 4 p.m.

I know there is another link but I'm having a brainfart that won't stop.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. " -John F. Kennedy
Submitted by HobbitGoddess on March 27, 2007 - 5:13pm.

BTW-today is the 9th of April 2007, Nostradamus!

yeah dickhead -- they tried, but the hostages were released

Now go ask Mommy to do something for your diaper rash whiny crybaby.

and take the extra bottle of hand lotion back to the store. You won't have the opportunity to stroke it while watching the bombs drop.

And though tyranny, because it needs no consent, may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people : Hannah Arendt, from her book The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.

DT what have you predicted correctly?

We don't even know where they are after Cheney outed Brewster Jennings.

Iraqis Protest to Mark Baghdad's Fall

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070409/iraq

BAGHDAD — Tens of thousands draped themselves in Iraqi flags and marched peacefully through the streets of two Shiite holy cities Monday to mark the fourth anniversary of Baghdad's fall. Demonstrators were flanked by two cordons of police as they called for U.S. forces to leave, shouting "Get out, get out occupier!"

Security was tight across Iraq, with a 24-hour ban on all vehicles in Baghdad starting from 5 a.m. Monday. The government quickly reinstated the day as a holiday, rescinding its weekend order that had decreed that April 9 no longer would be a day off.

The Najaf rally was ordered by Muqtada al-Sadr, the powerful Shiite cleric who a day earlier issued a statement ordering his militiamen to redouble their battle to oust American forces, and argued that Iraq's army and police should join him in defeating "your archenemy."

Demonstrators marched from Kufa to neighboring Najaf, 100 miles south of Baghdad. Those marching were overwhelmingly Shiite, but Sunnis _ who are believed to make up the heart of Iraq's insurgency _ have also called for an American withdrawal.

Some at the rally waved small Iraqi flags; others hoisted a giant flag 10 yards long. Leaflets fluttered through the breeze reading: "Yes, Yes to Iraq" and "Yes, Yes to Muqtada. Occupiers should leave Iraq."

"The enemy that is occupying our country is now targeting the dignity of the Iraqi people," said lawmaker Nassar al-Rubaie, head of al-Sadr's bloc in parliament, as he marched. "After four years of occupation, we have hundreds of thousands of people dead and wounded."

A senior official in al-Sadr's organization in Najaf, Salah al-Obaydi, called the rally a "call for liberation."

"We're hoping that by next year's anniversary, we will be an independent and liberated Iraq with full sovereignty," he said.

Al-Sadr did not attend the demonstration, and has not appeared in public for months. U.S. officials say he left Iraq for neighboring Iran after the Feb. 14 start of a Baghdad security crackdown, but his followers say he is in Iraq.

Iraqi soldiers in uniform joined the crowd, which was led by at least a dozen turbaned clerics _ including one Sunni. Many marchers danced as they moved through the streets.

The demonstration ended without violence after about three hours, but two ambulances could be seen moving slowly with the marching crowd, poised to help if violence or stampedes broke out.

Col. Steven Boylan, a U.S. military spokesman and aide to the commander of all U.S. forces in Iraq, praised the peaceful nature of the demonstration, saying Iraqis "could not have done this four years ago."

"This is the right to assemble, the right to free speech _ they didn't have that under the former regime," Boylan said. "This is progress, there's no two ways about it."

Monday's demonstration marks four years since U.S. Marines and the Army's 3rd Infantry Division swept into the Iraqi capital 20 days into the American invasion.

Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said Monday that "mistakes were made" after Saddam Hussein's regime was ousted four years ago.

"The main mistake was a vacuum left in the fields of security and politics, and second mistake was how liberating forces became occupation forces," Zebari told Al-Arabiyah television.

Cars were banned from Najaf for 24 hours starting from 8 p.m. Sunday, said police spokesman Col. Ali Jiryo. Buses idled at all entrances of the city to transport arriving demonstrators or other visitors to the city center. Najaf residents would be allowed to drive, he said.

In a statement distributed in Najaf on Sunday, al-Sadr called on Iraqi forces to stop cooperating with America.

"You, the Iraqi army and police forces, don't walk alongside the occupiers, because they are your archenemy," the statement said.

Al-Sadr, who commands an enormous following among Iraq's majority Shiites and has close allies in the Shiite-dominated government, urged his followers not to attack fellow Iraqis but to turn all their efforts on American forces.

"God has ordered you to be patient in front of your enemy, and unify your efforts against them _ not against the sons of Iraq," it said.

Al-Sadr had reportedly ordered his militia to disarm and stay off the streets during the Baghdad crackdown, though he has nevertheless issued a series of sharp anti-American statements, demanding the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops.

Sunday's statement was apparently issued in response to three days of clashes between his Mahdi Army militiamen and U.S.-backed Iraqi troops in Diwaniyah, 80 miles south of Baghdad.

American troops continued operations in Diwaniyah on Monday, detaining four guards at the office of a Shiite political party and scouring two neighborhoods in the city's northern and eastern sections, police said. At least 24 suspects were detained and one civilian was killed, police said. U.S. officials had no immediate comment.

On Sunday, thousands of residents in Baghdad's largest Shiite slum, Sadr City, boarded buses and minivans bound for Najaf.

Iraqi flags flew from most houses and shops in Sadr City. Drivers and motorcyclists affixed them to their vehicles. Police escorted convoys of pickup trucks overflowing with young boys waving Iraqi flags, en route to Najaf.

Despite the curfews, violence persisted Monday. In southern Baghdad, a sniper killed a civilian and a policeman, and a mortar round killed one person and wounded two others, police said.

Police in Buhriz, about 35 miles north of Baghdad, said clashes broke out between unknown gunmen and al-Qaida fighters _ leaving 30 people injured.

U.S. forces captured 14 suspects in raids across Iraq on Monday, targeting al-Qaida in Iraq members and car bomb-makers, the military said in a statement.

And though tyranny, because it needs no consent, may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people : Hannah Arendt, from her book The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.

Gore running for president?

I heard he's lost pretty much weight.

Imus in the mourning.

I didn't think anyone could trump Michael Richard's racist rant or more specifically "the N word", but Imus proved me wrong.

http://www.mediabistro.com/news/mb_feature/imus_nappy_hos_apology_unacce...

No worries Imus, right wing state radio will come to your defense.

Step one - open mouth; Step two - insert foot.

I always knew Imus was somewhat of a tool but this confirms that he IS a tool.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

Insider: Missteps Soured Iraqis on US

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040907K.shtml

By Charles J. Hanley
The Associated Press

Monday 09 April 2007

In a rueful reflection on what might have been, an Iraqi government insider details in 500 pages the U.S. occupation's "shocking" mismanagement of his country - a performance so bad, he writes, that by 2007 Iraqis had "turned their backs on their would-be liberators."

"The corroded and corrupt state of Saddam was replaced by the corroded, inefficient, incompetent and corrupt state of the new order," Ali A. Allawi concludes in "The Occupation of Iraq," newly published by Yale University Press.

Allawi writes with authority as a member of that "new order," having served as Iraq's trade, defense and finance minister at various times since 2003. As a former academic, at Oxford University before the U.S.-British invasion of Iraq, he also writes with unusual detachment.

The U.S.- and British-educated engineer and financier is the first senior Iraqi official to look back at book length on his country's four-year ordeal. It's an unsparing look at failures both American and Iraqi, an account in which the word "ignorance" crops up repeatedly.

First came the "monumental ignorance" of those in Washington pushing for war in 2002 without "the faintest idea" of Iraq's realities. "More perceptive people knew instinctively that the invasion of Iraq would open up the great fissures in Iraqi society," he writes.

What followed was the "rank amateurism and swaggering arrogance" of the occupation, under L. Paul Bremer's Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which took big steps with little consultation with Iraqis, steps Allawi and many others see as blunders:

* The Americans disbanded Iraq's army, which Allawi said could have helped quell a rising insurgency in 2003. Instead, hundreds of thousands of demobilized, angry men became a recruiting pool for the resistance.

* Purging tens of thousands of members of toppled President Saddam Hussein's Baath party - from government, school faculties and elsewhere - left Iraq short on experienced hands at a crucial time.

* An order consolidating decentralized bank accounts at the Finance Ministry bogged down operations of Iraq's many state-owned enterprises.

* The CPA's focus on private enterprise allowed the "commercial gangs" of Saddam's day to monopolize business.

* Its free-trade policy allowed looted Iraqi capital equipment to be spirited away across borders.

* The CPA perpetuated Saddam's fuel subsidies, selling gasoline at giveaway prices and draining the budget.

In his 2006 memoir of the occupation, Bremer wrote that senior U.S. generals wanted to recall elements of the old Iraqi army in 2003, but were rebuffed by the Bush administration. Bremer complained generally that his authority was undermined by Washington's "micromanagement."

Although Allawi, a cousin of Ayad Allawi, Iraq's prime minister in 2004, is a member of a secularist Shiite Muslim political grouping, his well-researched book betrays little partisanship.

On U.S. reconstruction failures - in electricity, health care and other areas documented by Washington's own auditors - Allawi writes that the Americans' "insipid retelling of 'success' stories" merely hid "the huge black hole that lay underneath."

For their part, U.S. officials have often largely blamed Iraq's explosive violence for the failures of reconstruction and poor governance.

The author has been instrumental since 2005 in publicizing extensive corruption within Iraq's "new order," including an $800-million Defense Ministry scandal. Under Saddam, he writes, the secret police kept would-be plunderers in check better than the U.S. occupiers have done.

As 2007 began, Allawi concludes, "America's only allies in Iraq were those who sought to manipulate the great power to their narrow advantage. It might have been otherwise."

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And though tyranny, because it needs no consent, may successfully rule over foreign peoples, it can stay in power only if it destroys first of all the national institutions of its own people : Hannah Arendt, from her book The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.

Beyond 100 hours...tick...tick...tick...

"Dear Speaker Pelosi:

We are writing to urge you to call the House back into session immediately so that Congress can finish its work on the emergency legislation to fund the Global War on Terrorism. This funding request has been pending since February 5, but your leadership team chose to leave town for more than two weeks rather than completing this bill. As a result, our troops have been put at risk.

We are especially troubled by the House's failure to appoint conferees. The Senate appointed conferees on March 29, moments after passing its bill, but the House never did so despite passing the bill a week earlier. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told the Senate that he hoped the House-Senate conference would begin on March 30. That hoped-for progress has been thwarted by your failure to act.

It should go without saying that our military leaders are in the best position to know the needs of our troops, and they have left no doubt that this funding is needed urgently. General Peter Schoomaker, United States Army Chief of Staff, has written that, "without approval of the supplemental funds in April, we will be forced to take increasingly draconian measures which will impact Army readiness and impose hardships on our Soldiers and their families." Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has also emphasized the dangers of delay: "This kind of disruption to key programs will have a genuinely adverse effect on the readiness of the Army and the quality of life for soldiers and their families."

Our troops need this funding, and they need it soon. The Senate is in session and ready to work. We respectfully request that you cancel the remainder of your break, call the House back into session, appoint conferees promptly, and work in good faith to pass a clean supplemental funding bill that the President can sign as soon as possible. Every day we don't fund our troops is a day their ability to fight this war is weakened."

Dear DT

Money isn't needed for months. Bush left on vacation the very next day.

Bush=White House, Pelosi=Syria work place

"We are especially troubled by the House's failure to appoint conferees. The Senate appointed conferees on March 29, moments after passing its bill, but the House never did so despite passing the bill a week earlier. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told the Senate that he hoped the House-Senate conference would begin on March 30. That hoped-for progress has been thwarted by your failure to act."

boooo hoooo shiff snarf -- Thugs are *troubled*

Call a WAAAAAHHHHHHmbulance for them!

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear. -- Thomas Jefferson

The House is busy

With 6 years of criminal activity by the Bush Adm. If they would fess up to all their crimes something could get done.

Gridlock Sucks All Of A Sudden?

But if your boy Newt Gingrinch was Speaker & shut down the government itself, or spent millions of dollars fishing for blow-job stories, then everything is peachy, right dumb-fuck?

"Why won't the Dems play nice...waaaah, I want my Mommy!" Do you have any idea how stupid this makes you look?

Would that be the same Newt that is now saying

that Gonzales should resign now?

And the same Newt who said that NO's residents

were too stupid and uneducated to get out of the way of a hurricane.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

Let's not forget how much they wanted to talk Monica...

August 20, 1998.

Clinton said:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/downloads/1998-08-20-clinton.htm

...and why did he say this? Why did he say "there will be no sanctuary for terrorists"?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.01/

That's right. He was out to kill Osama bin Laden. The GOP response to this? The real, reported opinion in the newspapers of August 21st, 1998?

Not really a surprise, really.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/re...

But Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), one of Clinton's severest critics earlier in the week, said, "There's an obvious issue that will be raised internationally as to whether there is any diversionary motivation."

Sen. John D. Ashcroft (R-Mo.), a possible presidential candidate in 2000, noted "there is a cloud over this presidency."

And Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.), who called on Clinton to resign after his speech Monday, said: "The president has been consumed with matters regarding his personal life. It raises questions about whether or not he had the time to devote to this issue, or give the kind of judgment that needed to be given to this issue to call for military action."

Fresh from a Google search of 1998. WJC wanted to kill OBL. The GOP wanted to talk BJs instead.

You can make all the made-for-TV movies you want, from now to eternity. It's not going to change what REALLY happened, in the past.

This is why I love the internets!

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
-Daniel P. Moynihan

Funds not needed until Mid-July. Stop being paranoid.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/202433

While U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's upcoming visit to Syria has caused the White Houe to bristle, a little-publicized rendezvous took place Sunday between Syria's president and Lancaster County's congressman.

And though Bush administration officials have been criticizing Pelosi, it's not clear what role the White House and the U.S. Department of State played when U.S. Rep. Joe Pitts and two other Republican congressmen met with Syrian President Bassar Assad.

Pitts is a Chester County Republican who represents Lancaster County.

Gabe Neville, Pitts' chief of staff, said Monday the conference between Assad and the three Republicans was intended to be "low profile."

"It was done in cooperation with the administration," he said.

Oh, I'm SORRY. You were saying something about working in Syria?

You're not even trying anymore, are you?

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
-Daniel P. Moynihan

Huh?

"You're not even trying anymore, are you?"

Are you kidding? He's very trying!

Bah-DUM-bum-CHING!

Sometimes it's so easy I'm ashamed of myself...

the other difference would be that pelosi is a woman

http:// local.lancasteronline.com /4/202433

While U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's upcoming visit to Syria has caused the White Houe to bristle, a little-publicized rendezvous took place Sunday between Syria's president and Lancaster County's congressman.

And though Bush administration officials have been criticizing Pelosi, it's not clear what role the White House and the U.S. Department of State played when U.S. Rep. Joe Pitts and two other Republican congressmen met with Syrian President Bassar Assad.

now dt sounds like

he is for the war in iraq. flip flop.

repubs went to syria to with pelosi. what do you think of them, dt?

Go Take A Stroll In A Baghdad Market Simpleton

Dt, you're an incredibly simple-minded, gullible dipshit!

Yeah, the troops might have to hitchhike home. Were you this outraged when your beloved Fuhrer didn't send enough troops to guard ammo dumps or explosives, didn't send enough body armor or helmet liners, or enough armored vehicles? Were you outraged at the treatment of veterans at Walter Reed?

Of course you weren't because you'd have to admit that you're really no American at all, but want to hand over all of your rights and freedoms to theocratic, totalitarian dictators.

Fake Americans

You have a poor way in talking with me, so stick to speaking for youself rather than for me. Sending enough troops to guard ammo dumps? Well no shit sherlock, welcome to war as all ammo dumps found have always been guarded, what an ignorant fuck you are!

Body armor? Oh brother, maybe we should have sent some US prisoners instead. Was I outraged atthe treatment of those at WR? Of course I AM dumbfuck.

Me, not an American? When did having a differnt thought on an issue afford one to be not an American?

Pssssstt, btw, the Fuhrer-Adolph Hitler, is dead. You must have missed that one in school.

Uh, hate to say it dt

but there was a major ammo depot that WAS left unguarded after the invasion, and the US military admits it. It is estimated that many tons of explosives disappeared at that time. Locals reported tractor-trailers driving in and out of there for days looting the place.

No kidding Uff?

I know that Uff and did you see the speed of the invasion and how fast matters were moving? Now, that ammo dumped not guarded was how long ago? Ok than, what if we did guard it, would that have stopped the roadside bombings? Take the PLO pigs for example, how many dumps do they have? Not many and not large, yet they still conduct murders by roadisde/homicide bombings, so it was bound to happen in Irak as well, regardless of a dump guarded or not. BTW-who was that little ratfucker that US troops found in the hole?

Who'd they find in the hole?

It sure wasn't Osama bin Laden.

Where IS he, anyway?

Pathetic g0p l0s3r.

For the ordinary American, the price of "New Democracy" in other countries is the death of real democracy at home. ~~~Arundhati Roy

They call it planning dt, something that was in woefully

short supply for this war. They were able to plan to guard the Oil Ministry. Why not the rest of Iraq? Ammo dumps should have been a priority. By allowing literally thousands of tons of ammo and explosives to be looted, we allowed the insurgents to arm themselves for years. By guarding the dumps, we would not have prevented roadside bombings, but we would have made it far more difficult for the insurgents to get the explosives they needed in the quantities they have now. If you think that the thousands of tons they looted wasn't all that important, then why bother stopping any more from coming in from outside the country? After all, it is small potatoes compared to what they looted in the early days of the war. And the guy found in the spider hole? In case you hadn't read, he was not found in the hole. That was a little PR stunt held by the military to show how "thorough" they were in hunting down Saddam, and how "desperate" he had become. He actually lived in that farmhouse nearby.

The spider hole lie

March 11, 2005

Just Another Bush Lie?
Saddam's Capture
By MIKE WHITNEY

The account of American troops capturing Saddam and pulling him from his subterranean hovel has turned out to be just another Bush lie.

Sergeant Nadim Abou Rabeh, who participated in the operation that netted Saddam, was quoted in the Saudi newspaper "Al-Medina" saying that the Iraqi leader was actually captured the day before and that "the public version of his capture was fabricated." The entire event was apparently choreographed by a Pentagon public relations team.

"I was among the 20 man unitwho searched for Saddam for 3 days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Rabeh admitted. (UPI )

"Not in a hole"? You mean Saddam actually stood up and faced American Marines?

"WE CAPTURED HIM AFTER FIECE RESISTANCE DURING WHICH A MARINE OF SUDANESE ORGIN WAS KILLED," he said.

Uh, oh. This could be trouble. After all, the American version presented Saddam as trembling coward cringing in his spider-hole afraid to face the American warriors. Now, Rabeh is saying that he stood and fought "like a man". This is not the image that the Washington spin-meisters wanted to convey. They wanted to humiliate the deposed tyrant by showing him recoiling from the American ubermenschen. That way they could show the virtuousness of the invasion and bolster the importance of the White House chicken-hawks who follow the campaign from their bunkers on the Potomac.

Unfortunately, the entire story turned out to be bogus. Saddam may be a genocidal maniac, but anyone who knows the details of his personal history, knows he's no coward. He scaled the ranks of the Ba'ath party through audacity, coercion and treachery. No one gets to the top spot on the Ba'ath food chain through squeamishness. The portrayal of Saddam as disoriented and fearful is pure performance-art; just like the suggestion that he was living underground is probably just a sham. (That part always seemed fishy) Most likely, he was drugged and dumped in the "spider-hole" to meet the requirements of (Bush's) Hollywood production team. In fact, members of the Kurdish Peshmerga, who were operating in the vicinity at the time, disputed the administration's sketchy narrative from the get-go. Their story was much more consistent with Sergeant Rabeh's.

So, we can add another fairytale to the Bush chronicle of deception. The Saddam capture will feature prominently along with the other wartime fictions like Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, the phantom WMDs, and the toppling of Saddam's statue in Fidros Square. Every one of these was skillfully fashioned by a Bush PR team trying to maximize public approval by creating a storybook narrative. It's 100% baloney.

The whole incident smacks of Rumsfeld's "Strategic Information" program; a new department entirely devoted to stage-managing events like Saddam's arrest. Apparently, the War Dept wants to downplay the daily carnage by orchestrating phony "docu-dramas" for the folks at home. Well, they'd better turn it up a notch. Bush's clumsy vaudeville may be designed to draw more support for the war, but box-office flops like this can really take a chunk out of one's credibility.

Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He can be reached at: fergiewhitney@msn.com

DT Clearly The "Ignorant Fuck" Here

You really think that it was no big deal to let the enemy take tons of high explosives? And then you have the nerve to call me ignorant for actually knowing that it did happen?

Please keep coming on this board-you're a luaghing stock!

Fuhrer comment is a nod to your unconditional love of your democracy-hating, habeaus corpus hating, totalitarian-craving, right-wing fascist, un-American, sexually-perverted torture-approving, draft-dodging, coke-snorting, alcoholic, born-again messianic, lyin'- ass, chickenshit "leader."

I've got a really good price on a cool bridge-just for you pal!

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

(That's US watching out for the likes of YOU dt-traitor. You're entitled to a different viewpoint, but not to claim that the Earth is flat, or that gutting and pissing on the Constitution is being a real American.

It's easier to bitch-slap you than it is to shoot down a store-bought quail on a Dick Cheney "hunting" trip (the kind where you use a limo). You're as "fake" an American as his "hunting" trip is. What a joke!

But how can Bush have

perpetual war if he doesnt arm the "enemy"? Bush wanted them to get the ammo dumps!

Think of all the money it saved us taxpayers

If we hadn't let them get that ammo, we would have had to supply it for them, just as we are supplying Al Qaeda in Lebanon.

fyi

IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T APPEASE — CRY, CRY AGAIN
April 4, 2007

In light of the increasing noise from the fifth column in America, it is a serious question whether President Bush would have the will to deploy military force even to stop a deadly serious threat to the United States.

I'm speaking, of course, of Darfur.

Saddam's barbaric rape rooms, chemical attacks and torture — those, liberals could live with. But now they want us to send troops to Darfur, a country from which no one anticipates terrorism anytime in the next millennium. If you're looking for a good definition of "no imminent threat," Darfur is it. The climate change "emergency," set to start taking effect sometime during the next century, is a more imminent threat to the United States than Darfur.

These people can't even wrap up genocide. We've been hearing about this slaughter in Darfur forever — and they still haven't finished. The aggressors are moving like termites across that country. It's like genocide by committee. Who's running this holocaust in Darfur, FEMA?

This is truly a war in which we have absolutely no interest. But liberals want our boys to go fight scimitar-wielding dervishes. While the Democrats hold pointless hearings into what George Bush had for breakfast, Republicans should pass a law prohibiting liberals from mentioning Darfur until Horace Mann and Dalton are prepared to put up a battalion.

So no, Darfur is not the threat I was imagining.

I haven't even told you what that threat is — though a hostage-taking, Holocaust-denying lunatic who doesn't own a necktie but is within two years of having a nuclear bomb comes to mind. You can already hear Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi saying, "If the Democrats were in charge, the use of military force wouldn't be necessary because we'd constructively engage them and appease their stated desire to kill us."

Damn that Bush! He's made people who hate our guts not like us.

In uplifting thought No. 57 about the war, liberals keep telling us that Iraqis are genetically indisposed to freedom, which I would characterize as the hard bigotry of low expectations. On this week, let us remember the message of Passover is that freedom doesn't come easy.

Moses had to grab Jews by the scruff of their necks and drag them to the desert for 40 years to get a generation capable of living in freedom — and even then the Jews were complaining about it being too drafty. The first "stiff-necked" generation didn't even want to leave Egyptian captivity.

Once free, they complained about the food, which apparently compared unfavorably to the food back in Egypt. Kind of reminds you of liberals talking about Saddam's rape rooms.

Even in the desert, the Jews would not stop with the golden calves. God nearly let the whole lot of them perish in the desert, he was so angry about their idolatrous ways. Only when he had a new generation, born in freedom, that didn't complain about the food, did he lead them to the promised land. For you liberals still reading, this is all extensively covered in a book known as the "Bible."

(Also this week, we celebrate a fast-track to freedom that doesn't require 40 years in the desert, but as I recall, the suggestion that we convert Muslims to Christianity was shot down early on in this war.)

If you want a shorter rebuilding process, then we're going to have to wage less humane wars. The enemy — as well as innocent civilians — must be bombed into quivering terror. Otherwise, we displace aggression but don't destroy it.

Americans are weaker for having seen that kind of carnage in World War II. Recall that the Worst Generation was raised by the Greatest Generation. That tells you how awful war is. The Greatest Generation was so exhausted by the war, it didn't have the spine to stand up to pot-smoking, draft-dodging hippies occupying administration buildings. But enough about Bill Clinton. If we're going to have humane wars, they are going to take a little bit longer.

That wouldn't be so bad, except that it gives fifth columnists more time to demoralize Americans and convince them that we are losing a war in the paramount struggle of our time.

You might want to be a little sneakier.

When YOU put "fyi" in the subject line, I know to start scrolling.

It is dangerous for a national candidate to say things that people might remember. - Eugene McCarthy

LOL!!

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

thats cuz your close minded.

and are a coward. scared something you read might shatter your small minded notion of the world

Coulter AGAIN Hatey?

I thought she was on hiatus in Europe. I was told she went to France to finally have her gender reassignment surgery. Apparenty you have to be "of sound mind" before they'll let you have you penis removed in the US.

Silence = Acquiescence

hey if you can listen to imus, rhoades and the like

whats wrong with coulter? hell, you've even gone down that path once or twice yourself.

Wow.

You're the second troll today that's tried to tie in Imus with liberals. The first one had the integrity to admit that he was wrong. Do you?

It is dangerous for a national candidate to say things that people might remember. - Eugene McCarthy

he is a liberal, but maybe not a lefty.

thing is you guys don't really know what liberlism is. lieberman is a liberal, franken is a lefty. but when it comes to racism, there is no differance, liberals and lefty's are all, with few exceptions, are racist, as they define everyone by the color of there skin.

Define: "They"

"The attitude is we live and let live. This is actually an amazing change in values in a rather short time and it's an example of freedom from religion."--Thomas Wolfe UI

 One election at a time......

This is PRICELESS!!

Hatemoron's telling US the definition of LIBERAL!!!!

Imus is no more a liberal than you are hatemoron - like Chimpy and his false Saddam & 9/11, you cannot link liberalism with Imus. Nice try retard but ... it doesn't work.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

and you would know all about racists. wouldn't you Stimey?

Parading around in that skin you CLAIM to have, sticking your nose up every white republican's ass you can find.

Take a deep whiff son. Because you and the rest of them are MARGINALIZED.

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear. -- Thomas Jefferson

Cuz Man Coulter's "factually" challened. 'Nuff said.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

and what facts have challenged her?

i posted her column tell me where factualy she's wrong?

Brainless: The lies and lunacy of Ann Coulter. "Nuff said.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

so pookie

you need someone else to make up your mind? afraid to read something that might make you grow up?

In the case of Coulter, it's not "grow up",

it's "throw up".

pretty weak stomach you got. always knew leftys where

weak, you just proved it.

Nah, Uff's DA MAN.

Looking at Man Coulter is enough to make the strongest puke their brains out. Christ, no wonder she/he/it is still single ... I'd rather wake up to Jabba the fucking Hut than he/she/it.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

Sorry to disappoint you hatemoron ...

But I've read the book - Man Coulter is factually challenged.

I've got a suggestion, why don't YOU read "The Lies and Lunacy of Ann Coulter" ... are you too cowardly that you might actually LEARN some TRUTH & FACTS?

Be careful, I don't want that little rosy world of yours to explode in your face ...

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

coulter says

the four 911 widows are enjoying their husbands' deaths. and i think all the repubs here still defend her.

she's a disgusting c*nt -- no wonder you love her

She's the true republican Stepford wife.

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear. -- Thomas Jefferson

Yeah, that article is one of her more disgusting takes too.

God, what a nasty b*tch.

Silence = Acquiescence

Just a hateful overtone.

"These people can't even wrap up genocide. We've been hearing about this slaughter in Darfur forever — and they still haven't finished. The aggressors are moving like termites across that country. It's like genocide by committee. Who's running this holocaust in Darfur, FEMA?"

Nice humanity there...dontcha think? What a ruthless c*nt.

Silence = Acquiescence

She truly is one of the most detestable human beings

ever given a chance to write. Mein Kampf appears mild compared to her stuff. I don't care if she is doing this as a show or if she really believes what she writes. It is still terrible.

hummmmmmmmm so off da guy you've read mein kampf?

z

Yep. And the Communist Manifesto.

Both of them piles of crap. To quote you cons, why don't you read them? Afraid to read something that could change your mind? If you mindlessly criticize a book without reading it, a movie without seeing, an idea without knowing what the idea is about, you are just being an ignorant blowhard. That is par for the course for cons like Bill-O and others. It's what made Faux Noise what it is today.

one your not quoting cons your quoting me

and its funny how you can call both the communist manifisto and mein kaunpf a pile of crap, when both flawed writings influenced millions of people. you so judgemental

When I called them piles of crap, it was my OPINION

which, so far, I am still allowed to have in this country. Just because these "flawed writings" as you call them, influenced millions of people doesn't automatically give them credibility. "Harry Potter" books influence millions, and most certainly have sold far more copies than Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto combined. Does that mean we should all bow down to them and follow what they say? Does that mean I am wrong to have the opinion that they are crap too?

the bible has also

influenced lots of people. so has the koran.

hey i really don't care if your judgemental

we all are. i just thought you lefty's where against being judgemental

Where did you hear that?

I judge you as an ignorant, hatefilled racist all the time. Also a pathological liar. And my judgement is correct, as you prove in here day after day after day.

hate calls someone a racist...

bush appointed a justice who bragged about being a member of a racist/sexist group.

wuuup! sorry. that was huff talking about

hate.

yes, i would say huff is correct in his assessment.

Having an opinion doesn't necessarily equate to being

judgemental. Now if I had said "those books are crap and no one should read them", then THAT would be judgemental.

hate says we are judgemental...

condoning torture is a pretty judgemental thing to do.

when both flawed writings influenced millions of people

We are fully aware that, unfortunately, there are millions of sheepish people in this world that don't know any better. This is ABUNDANTLY obvious as we have sheepish dolts like you in the U.S. as evidenced by the alleged "election" for the supreme asshole, the Chimpy-In-Chief.

"I encourage you all to go shopping more." George "Chimpy" Bush, 12/20/06.

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