Hillary may not be box office poison yet, but she's sure damn well poison for the Obama folks. If Obama can't win without her (and I doubt this seriously) then let him LOSE with dignity.

In case you haven't noticed Thom, Hillary is scraping the bottom of the barrel of decency. Barack (and the American people) don't need that kind of energy except at a distance. With the U.S. economy tanking ---and the rest of the society, for that matter --- all we need are the cheesey, pandering, racist Clintons near Barack. What a nightmare!

Are you crazy? Forget what Dean said a few months ago. We know more today than we did yesterday. Today we know Hillary is boring and crazy.

Hillary and Bill have no incentive to see Obama succeed in November. Neither Bill or Hillary can be trusted and I would have thought you would know better. Starting with Ron Brown, our late Commerce Sec’y, to Clinton (Bill) back door dealings with Dubai and Khakastan, etc., while Clinton (Hillary) playing the Senate floor voting against the formers interests; please. What about Colombia Free Trade agreement and Clinton’s (Bill’s) under the table dealings with a regime set to take us to war with Venezuela and Ecuador?

You are advocating that Obama ignore issues that the Republicans will not, like Clinton’s (Bill) perjury and loss of law license; or, Clinton’s (Hillary) lack of a Senate legislative record…I’m from NY, have looked at her achievements and but for Schumer, there’s basically a blank. Claire McCaskill can serve the same role as Hillary; even with all her issues, Palozzi, Biden or Dodd or Webb can support the ticket too. The suggestion that Obama take on the albatross of Billary is disingenuous at best, or a malicious endeavor to sabotage the ‘inevitable’ Democratic Candidacy of Barack on the sneak tip.

Respectfully, if folk do not wish to vote for Barack because he is black, so what…there is need for continued cheap white labor and ‘a racial divide’; or, if white women are pissed off and won’t vote for Barack because their ‘girl’ lost, f#@kum…let them vote to terminate the right of ‘choice’, it’s not like this liberty is equally applied…let them send their sons, brothers and baby daddies to war (the result of an ‘inevitable’ draft). As for, respectfully, older folk…they have all the stock and are the last vestige of our racial divide…these are the same archaic dinosaurs that lead a charge for Plessy v. Ferguson's longevity; may be, as a parting shot for America, they will vote against their conditioned way, perhaps a look toward their progeny’s future and vote Obama whether Hillary is on the Ticket, or not.

Finally, any sane observer would admit Hillary is a bore...in addition, her penchant for the lie is frightening, and in reality, she brings nothing to the OBAMA table but unvetted issues. We need to turn the page and begin a new book.

The super delegates need to settle this thing by mid June. I'm fine with Hillary as VP, although I'm not sure she would want the job. My big fear is that she's serious about taking this thing all the way to the convention. That would guarantee a loss for all of us. I hope I'm just being nervous for no reason.

I think it hurts and helps Obama either way. Hillary would have to really work to win over people who don't support her just as Obama will have to with her supporters. The main thing is that the VP pick doesn't alienate the younger people and other new members of our party. We're beginning to create a kind of movement in this country and that's the thing that will bring about real change. At least that is the only thing I trust to bring about change..

Primary voters constitute a minute portion of the general voting populous (2008 an exceptional year).

If Hillary voters do not feel they can vote for Obama (without her) these holdouts in the general election may be missed, but its a chance one takes in politics. Further, as Hillary has demonstrated, politics is a game of name recognition; no one would argue that its her name (association) that has gotten her to this point. Today, she would probably lose to Barack in Cali if its primary were held today given the growth in his name recognition/popularity. With all the advantages name recognition had brought Hillary, she is still losing to Obama...what's that tell you?

As an aside, suppose Hillary is on the Dem Ticket...would she be held to a budget for campaigning or would Obama's campaign fund have to pick up her spending delights?

In no way am I buying Hillary on an Obama Ticket.

We don't need Hillary on the ticket. Lets win this thing with some class! Pick Dennis as the VP!

-- McCain = Four more years of the same --

... and now you want us to drink it. Basic democratic values abandoned, hob-nobbing with Rupert Murdoch and Richard Melon Scafe, evoking racism while cry sexism, changing colors like an octopus as she tries to sell herself state to state, pandering, lying, distracting -- who IS this woman? Not someone we'd want anywhere near the Obama administration. She and Bill have ruined their shiny reputations during this "I WANT it, it's MINE!" campaign, conducted without ethics or grace. Only the blindly infatuated, the feminists who want a woman president no matter what the cost, or those in line for some nice rewards, could even suggest such a ridiculous alliance as Hillary and Obama. Thom, wake up and smell the punchbowl -- I, for one, am not drinking from that!

For all of you the love Obama's notion of change or who just recently got involved in the political process because of it, I have to say that it is time to wake up. Elections are not won on idealism and it certainly does not create lasting change. Just ask anyone who remembers the Carter years. Bless him for still being out there fighting the good fight.

Obama on his own is not going to win. At this late stage he is not going to win over the number of Hillary voter's that he will need to win in November without her. He cannot win with half of the Democratic Party disenfranchised.

On this notion of change and how lofty and above it all that some feel the Obama campaign has been run so far . . . are you f**king delusional? Less we forget Rev. Wright, the meeting with the Canadian's regarding his loose position on NAFTA, playing JZ songs on the campaign trail with lyrics like "the bitches never win", how about not saying anything about the "Bro's before Ho's" T-shirts but then getting bent over the "Curious George" T-shirts.

You do not go to Washington even as President and think that you are going to change things by changing the system. Hillary knows that from her Health Care proposals in the 90's and Obama know it too even with his meager time as a Senator. He is not stupid, he is not above the fray, it is lip service and his supporters are licking it up.

Maybe reality will set in when we lose in November.

I could not possibly disagree with Thom more on this point. The Republicans who voted for Hillary in the primaries will be voting for McCain regardless of who the Democrats add as VP. Nothing is gained by putting Hillary on the ticket and we will lose a very significant segment of Obama's supporters if they do plus it will galvanize the Republicans and Independents to vote for McCain. Putting Hillary on the ticket would ensure a McCain victory and it would be a betrayal of everything the Obama campaign stands for - a new style of politics, not Washington-insider backroom deal making with snakes. Personally I want the Democratic Party to nominate a DEMOCRAT for the VP position on the ticket. Hillary is not a Democrat as she has reconfirmed over and over again the past few months where she has campaigned using a Republican strategy pushing republican positions. Her campaign has brought disgrace on the Democratic Party with her racism, negativity, and scorched earth strategy. Rewarding her with a spot on the ticket would severely damage the Democratic Party party this election. It would not only lose us the presidency but also hurt every Democratic candidate nationwide. Why would we do that?????

Thom,

How can rationalize all of LIES & DECEIT Hillary has / and continues to spew out to fool the public and in particular the most vunerable (poor, uneducated, etc.) -- then recommend her for VP - Senate Majority Lead - Supreme Court????

Where are your standards?
Haven't we had enough of that crap with Bush?

Get off the Hillary promotion.

Grab hold of your senses.

Asking Hillary to be on his ticket would say nothing less than "hypocrite"about Obama.
It would simply say that all of what he has been talking about is meaningless bullshit.

And why the hell should he even offer the slot to someone who's been trying to harm his chances without end, saying repeatedly that he'll lose? Moreover, why would anyone think that she would want to be on the ticket seeing as to how she thinks he will lose?

Is someone trying to tell me she wants to be on a ticket that will lose?

Or maybe she doesn't really think it will lose and she's simply been spewing utter garbage and elephanshit for weeks on end in an attempt to divide the Party? In which case, someone please explain again why she should be offered the slot?

The thought is madness, plain and simple.
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The "Dream Ticket" is a Death Trap!
Obama / Sebelius '08

She asked and he refused. THANK YOU BARACK.

I'm a little surprised at some of the comments that indicate this race is going to resemble any from the past very well since FDR was elected.

There are some things that will continue- hopefully to a lesser degree. Some of the GOP base will come out to vote AGAINST a black, a woman, a Clinton. I'm not fond of adding a woman to the ticket. One minority is going to cost enough. We need the biggest mandate we can get in Nov.

After Obliterate, there is no way he needs her on that ticket. The world is rooting for Obama because he is perceived as someone who will get America to be a world leader without the arrogance and aggression. Others have covered the domestic reasons she doesn't belong on it.

Aside from the polls already showing Barack ahead of McCain, I think he has shown quite clearly he can connect with a wide range of voters when he has a chance to campaign in their region. Despite all the hot air about no substance and empty suits, he does have a lot to offer. As an RN I am MUCH happier with Obama because I think he will listen to the health care providers and move us to national health insurance. Which 59% of physicians now prefer.

The Hillary supporters who don't want to be team players? I would hope they could get over this and at least get to the poll and vote for our nominee. It was close, the disappointment is agonizing. I think Obama is fully aware of that. I also don't get how, considering his wife and daughters, anyone can think he will not be dedicated to women's issues.

The reality is she blew it. Just enough for him to get more votes. That is politics.

Obama CAN win in November - if Hillary's supporters don't sabotage the election. He will also make an excellent president, as long as WE stay involved.

Thom, all I can say is that this has allowed me to follow something in my bible:

A wise teacher kills the idol you have made of him.

Thanks. I will continue to appreciate your vast knowledge and grasp of complex issues.

I like edwards or kuchinich (not clinton)..

I suspect hartman wantuing clinton is because she got so many votes.. I believe all the CON's voting for hillary in the primary has made it "look like" hillary is much more popular than she is.. Selecting VP of edrards or kuchinich would reach out to voters who will vote in the actual election..

bobblerft
(Freethought Society)

RobLO

Thom you are nuts!! Hillary, and her, ' Blonde Ambition Tour', has not only kicked that door, and slammed it shut, she has also set Claymore bombs up to kill any one trying to open it. How could you think that Hill-o would be willing to take orders from a BLACK UNQUALIFIED PREACHER/SPEECHMAKER WHO IS IN NO WAY PREPARED TO BE PRESIDENT. If you truly believe that all the women over 50 are truly going to stay home, or vote for maccain so that they can be apart of slanting the the supreme court toward the far right for a GENERATION, you've lost your marbles. I mean I know lots of women over 50 and they are just dying to see, IN THEIR LIFETIMES, WOMEN GAIN AND LOSE THE RIGHT TO HAVE REPRODUCTIVE CONTROL, and of course they can't wait for women civil rights to begin to go away so that women's lib can just be an idea again like it was when they were young.

"Hillary's legacy in this 08 election could place her as the healer and bring together a united Democratic party. As a winning ticket they also move this country closer to healing the racial and misogynist undertones that still have roots."

Hill-o brought race into this, and she is set up sadly just like her husband was to sell the country down the river just to get/stay in office. Why do you think I can only hear your radio show on the internet, or on pay radio. Thank you bill, 'please don't impeach me', clinton. He could have stood up and told the truth and then enlisted the aid of party to expose the republicans, current and past who had also strayed from their wives, (Eisenhower for 1 ...), Then all he would have had to do was apologize, and put a little faith in the american people. Hill-o has accepted the support of rupert murdock, and gone on the air on the o'reily factor. Let hill-o be maccain's vp. You also need to have more faith in the american people as well.

Thom,
I totally agree with you, and I am sick and tired of Obama supporters being so "our way or the highway" about this. It's like they don't consider anyone who doesn't agree with them to be a true Democrat, and that is very disrespectful for those of us who have been involved, and in the party for years and years. The Clinton years were GREAT for America, and anyone who doesn't remember that should study their history books. Hillary has suffered so much abuse at the hands of the Republicans, and I just can't stand that now she is suffering such horrible abuse at the hands of these new Democrats, too.
If we think Hillary is better for the country, just based on experience alone, we are told that we aren't for "real" change. Come on, folks. What are you talking about? Hillary is one of the most active, and hard-working senators in the Congress. Obama hasn't done anything compared to her. Why in the world do we, as loyal Democrats, have to just step aside and let Obama have it, when we TRULY do not believe he has the experience necessary to run this country effectively? Why are we being trashed because we truly believe in our candidate?
Yes, ANYTHING is better than John McCain, but we can do better than just "anything". We could have someone who has truly PROVEN herself to be both hard-working, and tenacious!
It truly bothers me that someone can come along with smooth words, and just wipe out an incredible woman's life's work without the majority of us, her party, truly standing up for her. I'm so glad you are recognizing that she is a powerful force for good in this country...and she is willing to give so much more. I just wonder, at this point, if we, as a party, are worthy of her. She has given so much to us, and I know I speak for a lot of Democrats when I say, "we don't want to just be bowled over by people who think she should just shut up and go home". We DO recognize how much service she has given to this country, and we DO want her to be part of the presidential ticket! Almost half of us really want her to be the first person on the ticket. Asking her to honor us as the Vice-President would be honoring those of us voters who also are a part of the party. In our opinion, this option would at least give Obama some "real" experience, and give millions of us Democrats something to believe in and vote for... because there are millions of us who simply DON'T drink the Obama cool-aide. We've seen too many politicians talk the talk, without walking the walk. This country is too messed up to settle for just words. Hillary is all action. If that makes her more vulnerable to attacks, let those be from the other side. She has done all she can to really keep this country from going down the tubes further than it could have. WE HATE THAT SHE IS BEING ATTACKED BY THE VERY PEOPLE SHE HAS HELPED! If you who only want the candidate you want can't see that, you are being incredibly disrespectful to a true Democrat, in every sense of the word.
THANK YOU THOM, FOR TAKING A STAND THAT MILLIONS OF US REALLY APPRECIATE.

Because she and her campaign were to incompetent to run a GUARANTEED nominee campaign, she should be GIVEN the consolation prize, automatically get on the winning ticket because of who she is. This is bullshit, your argument about her being able to be the bull dog is just what Obama does not want... fight back but not the clinton/rove way. clintons have said and tried everything to beat Barack and failed, she lost, and he taking her on his ticket will be seen/used as weakness because of her action.

She and bill are so toxic what ever they touch will sour PERIOD. Most important she will cut into his AA base, independent base, and young voting base, nothing to say about bill wondering the world making deals that will screw up the Obama administration, repeat of the clinton administrations crap.

All the promises the clintons have made to get donation will not manifest and the opportunity to receive more money has dried up. No more large checks for speeches and no more checks for his aids foundation... all the clintons FAULT for how they ran their campaign.

No, he should not off her NOTHING, she did not earn it and does not deserve it. Let those race baiting, party destroying, habitual lying, manipulating, divisive, power hungry, clintons fade to OBLIVION.

Putting Hillary on the ticket is just an awful idea. While it MIGHT bring along the few misinformed Hillary hardcore supporters who think Obama is stealing the election, it would MOST CERTAINLY cause many more Obama supporters to turn away. Thom, I appreciate that you are fair (sometimes to a fault), but even you said Hillary "hit below the belt" with her praise of McCain and dismissals of Obama. I would have gladly voted for her when this all started, but, having seen her bad behavior throughout the primary process, I would really have to hold my nose to vote for her now (even for dogcatcher). She is the complete opposite of Obama who has played by the rules and been gracious throughout. And, as I've seen elsewhere, with the Clintons in the White House, Obama would need to employ a foodtaster!