Why This Could Be Worse Than The Republican Great Depression

At its core, the problem with the banks today is twofold. First, we don’t make anything anymore. Which means we don’t “create real wealth.” More on that in a minute, but the bottom line is that we don’t have any sort of bottom line – there’s nothing to catch us as we fall, because we don’t have a manufacturing base to fall on like we did in the 1930s.
Second, all our cash is either gone or in a very, very few hands. If the former, we’re really screwed. If the latter, and those people decide their interest trumps that of the nation, we’re also screwed, but probably not quite as badly. It looks, though, like all our cash is gone.
Let’s take these one at a time. The British knew that manufacturing was the core strength of a nation, which is why they forbade the Colonists in 1770 from manufacturing most items that could be imported from Britain, and famously forbade the good people of India from even turning their own cotton into cloth and clothing (those processes had to be done with Indian cotton shipped to England, woven and sewn, then sold back to India as finished clothes).
The colonists of America overthrew the economic tyranny of the British, and in short order (1791) Alexander Hamilton presented to Congress a detailed and specific plan to turn America from an agricultural backwater to a manufacturing giant. We should discourage the import of foreign made products and promote the manufacture of American made goods by taxing imported finished goods (a tax called an “import tariff”). We should encourage the import of foreign raw materials, and the export of finished goods, with low tariffs on these items. We should invest government money – extensively – in infrastructure that would build our monetary and industrial base. We should be protectionist, hard-working, and refuse to cede to anybody our right to make whatever we damn well wanted.
Hamilton was so successful that 100% of the income of the federal government from our founding to the Civil War came from tariffs – and we learned to manufacture just about everything we needed in this country as a result. His policies were continued after the Civil War – tariffs represented two-thirds of all federal revenues from Reconstruction to WWI, and as government exploded in size to fight WWII still represented a third of all federal income.
Import tariffs on manufactured goods averaged – from 1791 until the 1980s – around 35-40 percent. As a result, we made things here. The benefit of “making things” is that you add value more rapidly than is possible in any other way. You get richer – both individually and as a nation – faster than by any other means. Turning a $50 ton of raw cotton into $5 million worth of designer clothing can be done with only a few tens of thousands of dollars worth of labor and a million dollars worth of machinery/factories. Turning a few dollars worth of iron ore into millions of dollars worth of luxury cars is incredibly profitable.
But the Reagan Revolution changed all that. Conservatives didn’t think making things was the most important consideration of an economy – instead the goal should be for “individual incentives” and “greed” to drive companies and individuals to “maximize profits” regardless of the impact on the nation as a whole. Labor was cheaper in China and India, so after a few hundred dollars worth of lobbying and a few cheerleading (but deeply flawed) books like Thomas Friedman’s “Olive Tree and the Lexus,” we dropped our average import tariffs into the realm of 2 to 3 percent, where they remain today.
The result was easily predicted. Most of our manufacturing was shipped overseas, while the profits from the sale of foreign-made goods concentrated in a few hands (think the Walton family and General Electric, the respective companies that first and most proudly drove China and India respectively into our manufacturing and service sectors).
While we didn’t make anything here any more, we still had a lot of cash and other “real assets” – real, physical wealth – left over from the two centuries when we made everything here. The share of that wealth in the hands of the middle class was mostly in the equity in our homes, cars, and pensions/savings.
And so the predators among us turned their sights on these last reservoirs of wealth in America. Phil and Wendy Gramm (he is McCain’s chief economic advisor) pushed through both a deregulation of banks and investment companies, but also a deregulation of how commodities (real things) were traded on margin (using money borrowed against the value of the commodities).
Alan Greenspan enthusiastically jumped into the game, dropping interest rates so low they were below the rate of inflation for the biggest institutional borrowers – giving the Masters Of The Universe all the cash they needed to gamble with, thus driving up the cost (but not the value) of commodities from houses to oil to food.
In the process, the American middle class got into the act by borrowing in a slightly similar fashion, but instead of billions they only borrowed against the value of their houses and cars and the line of credit on their credit cards.
But then we began to run out of wealth – real wealth. Because we didn’t make anything any more, about all we could sell to the world were IOUs, debt-based “instruments” made up of bundled mortgages. And when the world stopped wanting to buy them, looking instead to put their money into real assets like gold or oil or manufacturing plants, it all began to unravel.
The last time things unraveled like this was during the Republican Great Depression of 1929-1938. That, too, had followed a series of Republican administrations that had radically deregulated banking and securities rules, leading to wild speculation and asset bubbles, starting with a real estate explosion in Florida in the early 1920s. That Florida real estate bubble burst in 1927, and by 1929 it had spread to Wall Street. What we are witnessing today is the death of neoliberalism (e.g. Friedman/Greenspan/Thatcher/Reaganomics), although few in the corporate media will call it out.
The recent semi-nationalization of Freddie and Fannie were, in fact, clear demonstrations of the failure of privatization of institutions essential to the commons (a primary purpose of government), but at the time it seemed that none of the corporate media would dare refer to it as such.
Today we're seeing the logical culmination of deregulation; steps recommended by Friedman/Greenspan and started in the last years of the Carter administration, put on steroids by Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush, reaching a peak with Phil and Wendy Gramm's rollback in 1999 of Glass-Steagall allowing "investment" companies to behave like "banks" without regulation (making them, in reality, neither, but instead merely financial schemes).
"Roosevelt is dead," Limbaugh famously intoned at the appointment of GW Bush as President, "but his programs remain, and we're in the process of doing something about that, as well." Indeed.
Let's start calling this what it is - the total discrediting of the economic theories of Von Hayek, Milton and Thomas Friedman, Alan Greenspan, and borrow-and-spend Reaganomics/Bushnomics. The failure of "globalization," deregulation, and privatization. And let's begin to honestly identify today's events as a clear and clarion call for a return to the common-sense policies FDR put into place that saved capitalism from itself and its predators (and led to four decades of sustained growth of both the economy and the middle class) three generations earlier.
Now we are again "rediscovering" the lessons of the last Republican Great Depression...and if we don’t QUICKLY begin to move manufacturing capacity back into this country (and have it owned by American companies so the profits don’t just end up in Japan or Germany) we will be, within five years, far worse off than Americans were in 1934.
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- September 17, 2008








A socialist commenting on a capitalist economy
is like a monkey commenting on Physics.
I'm not yet 30 and I've already witnessed the death of communism and now, the meltdown of the democratic party. Only one of them is a good thing.
You would know.
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Bush Sr. didn't call Reganomics " voodoo economics" for nothing.
Since socialists strive to make the economy work for the majority rather than a tiny elite, I would trust the socialist take on the economy over a neocon's anyday. Socialism takes a scientific approach to the economy while the capitalist approach is based on faith- somehow the friendly sprite of the free market will come along and make everything all better!
Lassiez- faire capitalism is a rip- off, nothing more. It isn't efficient and it doesn't benefit anyone but a few robber barons of the elite.
P.S. Hartmann isn't a socialist, too bad for him.
Or a president who drove into the ground every company
he ever ran talking about how the economy was fundamentally strong. Arbusto anyone?
republican women are never hot
You are dumb as a rock! The only way unfettered capitalism would work would be if corporations played fair... which they dont. Those who control the market of any good or service create artificial barriers to competition thereby ending true capitalism.
Buy American Act
Where have all the jobs gone......Whatever happened to this act and should OBAMA use it along with "Bring manufacturing back to America and restore the middle class with this very basic foundation of American life.
AMEN!
Bring back the manufacturing jobs...and with them our partners, the trade unions! We NEED the right to stop work and strike because the eeeeeeevil companies ask that we pay an extra $10 a month for health care.
We NEED the right to strong arm the companies to pay us $200 an hour to stand around on the assembly line.
WE NEED the right to never get fired or disciplined, no matter how incompetent we are.
We NEED 200% tariffs on them eeeeeevil Japanese and Europeans because they can make better cars than us and take pride in their work (And we know from history that they NEVER would retaliate!)
We NEED the right to strong arm and coerce non-unionists to join unions and have compulsory unions, even when they don't agree with out political leanings...the union leaders need the dues for cruises, dammit!
WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
My God, you are an idiot.
My God, you are an idiot. You obviously buy into every incorrect stereotype about unions.
Unions created safer work conditions, fair wages, and collective bargaining means that the employers can't take advantage of the workers.
Open a history book, read about all the good things that unions have done, and what they are still doing today.
-- McCain = Four more years of the same --
Yeah...they're a peach!
Just go to the DMV once in while to see how dedicated and efficient they are!
Old_Farty - You're a fucking moron.
"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."
George Carlin
Unions
Dummy, that's Civil Service -- not unions. Another "white collar" invention to prevent folks from unionizing!
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’
You mean if you consistently
You mean if you consistently cut funding to programs like Medicare, DMV, education - as the republicans have done - then they have to cut costs and hire cheap labor, thus reducing the quality of service they offer?
Who knew!?!?!!?!
-- McCain = Four more years of the same --
The DMV, that's funny...
The DMV where I live are no longer state employees, the govenor got rid of all state run DMV offices and contracted the DMV to a private company and their people are not unionized.
Don't lump people with no ambition to work into people who have a union. Just makes you look very uninformed.
A belief in one's own perfection is often a sign of a delusional mind - Malkavian
Old_Farmer_McLefty
You are either, truly an OLD Farmer (and if you are a farmer--how about those "socialist" subsidies for farmers?) or, you're under 50 and have never held a real job. And you're clearly badly educated. If you've ever worked at a real job, living from pay check to pay check and/or, had read some history, you'd know that the only reason "white collar" workers were paid fairly is because the unions had brought up the wage standard in the "blue collar" workforce and the rest of the major corporations kept up with the wages and good workplace conditions, because THEY WERE AFRAID THEIR WORKERS WOULD WANT TO UNIONIZE!
That's why the first thing that Reagan did was to start Union busting. Get them out of the way and you won't ever have to pay a fair wage or provide safe working conditions again (this used to be called "slavery" or indentured servitude -- again, a little history). Just as any other organization, Unions have made mistakes, to the detriment of some mega-million dollar companies. But I guess it's OK with you if we get Screwed by the multi-billion dollar companies, rather than see the multi-billion dollar companies get "screwed" by the workers.
In 1929 the morons (and Republican administration) that caused the problem, were jumping out of windows. Now they're jumping with their golden parachutes ($60 million to the CEO of the failed Lehman Brothers as the company went bankrupt). If you or I had screwed up on our jobs and done it badly, we'd get fired, without severance, but if you're part of the Corporate Elite, you can screw up, bring a company down and get a severance package that could finance a small country. Sounds very American, don't you think.
Hurray! Fascism (definition of Fascism: Government by the Corporation, for the Corporation--check your dictionary!) has come to America and folks like you are thrilled -- we've escaped that boogie man "socialism" -- except of course when you want Corporate Socialism to bail out the the criminals of Corporate America--then you just love Government intervention. Maybe you'll understand what's going on when you end up on a bread line or need $50 to buy a loaf of bread. It's coming, even if you insist on putting your head in the sand.
Did you know that Government is not a corporation, doesn't make or sell anything, and the only way it gets money is by taxing you and me? Ask yourself this : Would you prefer that your tax dollars be spent to help provide a safety net, good education and health care for the average American, or would you be happier knowing that your tax dollars are being spent to make sure that Big Companies are being bailed out because they screwed up the economy and now you're out of work and looking for help to keep from becoming homeless. Except there's no one to bail you out of starvation and homelessness, because the Government is too busy helping the richest people in the world be safe from paying the price of their greed and destruction. Wake up Old Farmer, you've been taken for a long, long ride down a very slippery slope and at the bottom is nothing but disaster for the average American.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’
Farmboy got the last part right, anyway.
The rest of it is the ramblings of a 8th grade intellect, and a scab intellect at that. Basically what he is saying is that we should be slaves and we don't have the right to protect our jobs or sell our labor at the wages we decide its worth. He is basically saying American workers are lazy and do a shitty job.
A true, blue, all American this guy...
Well said!!!!!!
Well said!!!!!!
"The U.S. Economy Drove Like a Train Until it Hit a Wall Street"
Powered by cheap slave labor and seemingly infinate sources of new resources the fledgling colony of the Old World became the New Frontier, eventually picking up speed after pretty much every war making war a pillar of the nations well being. America was good at it for a while and made a lot of gains for centuries until they leveled the planet-scape by inventing the atomic bomb. Ooops.
Now American-lead humanity is on the verge of blowing ourselves into the Planet of the Apes. Again, and again and again. See. Thats the wall right there. Same old war and no new land to have it on. Too many people, not enough new mines, swamps full of oil, gems lying scattered everywhere up and down a river bed somewhere in Gold Rushing Califon-i-a.
We run cars off of what for the most part is a glorified steam engine. The combustion engine. Now although I sound dismissive, Im not. These innovations revolutionized industry creating the megalopolis we've turned the planet into. Now the world's filled with it, and thats all there is. We've tapped Earth for most sources of fuel and know what most fuel can do, so we're like the Dark Ages again proportionately. Soon theres going to be starvation, bubonic plagues and that kind of crap. The water will all be sewered. It'll suck. Now it will force a lot of transformation and innovation in conservation technologies.
But, if started too late... it's like when somone tells me, "theres enough energy in a drop of water or grain of sand to power a city....that's if you could just tear apart the cosmic structure of the atoms and harvest the almost infinate energy that exhist within all matter, or theoretically inbetween the sub-atomic particles of any matter in empty space". ... ...I'm like, "OK "Trekky". What are we waiting for?, lets get there!".
The answers always, "the solutions a million years away". Theres some labs, theres scientist inventing new fuels, power sources, improving solar cells, learning how to get frozen methane hydrate out the ocean, even learning to light water on fire using radio waves or something. Methane and burning water are still combustion though, and Im not sure solar cells could power the "Enterprise" in deep dark space Scotty. But the Governments a whore of oil and coal, so they arent going to get on it any time soon, at least not publicly.
So, the only way to regain the Economic advantages, gains, and rises, New Industrial and Technological revolutions we enjoyed at the Manifest Destiny, the Push West, or whatever, exhisting as a race of beings, stuck on a planet which's land we've already inhabited most of already, is someone needs to back some New Christopher Columbuses and get our asses back into space. And deeper space than we've every gone before to discover the New "New Worlds". Otherwise all we're doing is sifting through the leftover Earth for scraps. Space needs to become the new ocean. And we need to start sailing and fishing in it. Privatize it, get the Richard Bransons of the world's new spaceships. Get these visionaries the contracts and permits, and airspace clearances to test them, build them, and sell them, and we'll all travel there in em. Our satalites already trash the upper atmosphere of our planet, so that wont be new for space. But if you want to pull up out of this hole, you have to make space travel profitable so it becomes the next New Frontier.
Ive said it before, why do you think we havent been back to the moon much in 30 years?, or dont have a base up there, or explore deeper into space? Except with little Mickey Mouse probes that go 20 feet in a day? Wanna know whats on Mars, simple, lets go there, and LOOK! Why dont we? It's because, when in 1969 they first got to the moon and Neil and Buzz got out and looked around and went, "We made it! One small step and all that jazz!" and America started jizzing all over ourselves cause we had beat the Russians supposedly....whatever; unknowingly to the rest of America, when they took their next steps and they looked around at the ground they didn't see the ground littered with gold nuggets and gemstones. No Sutters Mill, no 49ers, no gold rush to space. And the government didnt like that. And religon breathed a sigh of relief cause there'd be no funding put towards Space which if there was, may lead to the discovery of extra-terrestrial life(even primordial) proving a second Genesis, which would destroy most of the last 2000 years religons.
Like I said, otherwise we're just sifting through the scraps of Earth. We havent looked hard enough yet. Think about it, Bush and the Republicans tried to make a New Manifest Destiney in Iraq and oil was what they thought their gold would be and thats the best idea they could come up with!!!. What a bunch of shmucks. Vultures, picking at leftovers. Its like the King from Beowulf just trying to make the best of whats left of his fallen kingdom. When the whole Universe is out their waiting to be conqured. So if we want to save Earth, we may have to take a vacation from it. Open up space travel to normal people. There'll be some disasters and catastophies along the way, but there always are in exploration and a lot of times it's worth it.
The Reagan Revolution Goes Into the Ditch
The first person I went to this morning when I heard that Bush’s Big Guvment was getting into the insurance business after having just leapt galoshes first into the home mortgage market, was unabashed Big Guvment Basher Grover Norquist. Surely the man who wants to make government “so small you can drown it in the bathtub” would be up in arms that his party’s Federal government had once again taken a public company and bought it, lock stock and barrel.
Amazingly there’s not one peep about the socialization of our private sector on his Americans for Tax Reform website. Amazing, but not shocking, because as has been made crystal clear over the past weeks and months the only thing not worth bailing out with taxpayer money is taxpayers. Instead of the free-market system and deregulation from government oversight, which all Conservatives say sits at the foundation of their fundamental reason for being, what has been made painfully clear to anyone who cares to look is that Conservatives actually have no problem with socialism, as long as it’s their investment risk that you socialize. Of course their profits will still be privatized, but hey, you couldn’t handle the spoils anyway.
So just like that, the Reagan Revolution that kicked off 25-years ago has been shown to be nothing more than smoke and mirrors. I take it we can now assume that Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” isn’t actually guiding anything, it’s looking for a handout. And that AIG doesn’t wear boots with straps, or that Fanny and Freddy are just lazy, and that the trickle-down theory has been proved a complete bust, just like the myth that what’s good for corporations is good for the American people, as the right would have you believe. Over the past few days, the foundation upon which the Conservative movement rests have been shown to be nothing more than an attempt of the few to keep power from the many. Exactly the opposite of what the Founding Fathers envisioned.
Conservatism has run America into the ground, and it always will. It’s a governing philosophy based on myth and is inherently anti-democratic. I wonder how many Conservative-authored articles and blog posts will be reminiscing about the words from Reagan’s first inauguration: “Government is not the solution, government is the problem.” Probably about as many as Grover Norquist has provided.
And now, about those privatized social security accounts…
-- Alicia Morgan, authorTHE PRICE OF RIGHT: How the Conservative Agenda has Failed America (and Always Will)
Ya'll doom sayers don't get it... the SUPER RICH R IMMORTAL!!!
Who's done the research on the last 3 catastrophic market crashes that proves MADE MEN remain so. They're bullet proof. Who's Prescott Bush?
www.snipr.com/PrescottSkull~Bones
Will Gates of the Borg, the Kennedy's, or even Brittney be forced to give up their personal assistants due to this "ADJUSTMENT?"
www.snipr.com/37YearPurgeCycleNOW
Why all you people think that the elite disinformation masterminds will be punished or even eat crow is beyond reason. Check the 118 names on this list and visualize any of them having to curtail their solo Gulf Stream flights as a result of the credit "CRISIS" :
BTW:
Nice blog lastleftb4hooterville.blogspot.com/2008/09/i-hate-to-say-i-told-you-so-buti-told.html
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Good drugs are good
Wellbutrin has been a miracle - I can actually concentrate on an article like this one long enough to understand it. Of course, it helps that Thom doesn't use really big words that are obscure and confuse me.
So thanks for a very informative read on the mess we're in. I have 7 acres in rural NE GA - I'll be planting a bunch of corn 'n stuff next spring - maybe I'll get Sarah to show me how to shoot a deer (we don't have moose in Georgia) - she'll have more time for helping me grow and shoot my own groceries after she withdraws her candidacy - her pants will catch fire very shortly, I think, I've already sent her some earth-friendly lotions for the blisters.
I'm glad the drug worked for
I'm glad the drug worked for you. I have had extremely bad luck with most prescription medications, and I'm scared to use any of them. One I took in July made me lose my short-term memory. I only took it for two weeks and then, when I realized it was the medication that was doing this, I quit taking it. Sometimes the cure is worse than the malady.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower
Side effects of prescription drugs
Wellbutrin is for depression, and my psychiatrist added it to my other antidepressant to hopefully improve the exhaustion I've been feeling since even before 1995, when I first got a prescription for clinical depression. It affects the dopamine in the brain, which affects motivation - and that's why I can comprehend better now. It could be that I don't have ADD - just a dopamine problem!
Thank you for the Eisenhower quote - I just told a colleague today that our current problems are largely due to our own "rich country" greed - civilians and government. 25,000 humans, mostly children, starve to death every day, but we don't have moments of silence for them - after all, they're low-tech, low-value creatures, why, they don't even have indoor plumbing! How disgusting of them, no wonder they get sick and starve to death! (That's sarcasm, for those of you who take things too literally.)
Millions of Americans have
Millions of Americans have lost thousands in the stock market this week....
Id like to know how it is that the Fed who injected about 2 trillion dollars into the financial markets over the past year is now bailing out the same companies which took advantage of the Fed's decision help these very companies stay afloat...
This is the largest act of looting in the history of the world....
And I haven't heard a word about any accountability for the losses....
We are almost defenseless against this racket and those who sustain it....
What we do have is our voice, that vote. With Unity we are much more powerful...
America is beautiful! Here's one reason why - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUSDjd3BGng
Please take a look. I hope it inspires you.
Socialism=fdemocracy=freedom
We absolutely need a more socialist economy if we want to be truly free. We know it works because we can see it for ourselves.
The most free, prosperous, democratic societies in the world, with the most vibrant and free middle class are all socialized democracies. We need to do the same here. If we had any sense of pride and dignity left, after being tyrannized and abused by the free market radicals for the past 30 years, we would stand up for ourselves and demand it.
Let's hear it for socialism!!
Socialist democracy
The problem is that most people here think you mean communism when you say socialism. What you are talking about is more correctly called a socialist democracy, which incorporates the best of both capitalism and socialism.
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." Dwight Eisenhower