The Thom Hartmann Program - Feb 12th 2008
Hour One – Topic: Have we pimped out the news? Do you want news or entertainment?
Hour Two - Guest: Dinesh D'Souza www.dineshdsouza.com Topic: Thom is challenging Dinsesh on his book - "The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11"
Hour Three - Guest: Congressman Charles Rangel http://www.house.gov/rangel/ Topic: Economy and stimulus package
- February 12, 2008








how to get news back
firewall between news and infotainment. Ok. how do we get this? how do we get the media to acknowledge which they are? How do we get honesty back when Murdock won the court case when his employees were forced to lie in their articles for his paper? The court says there is no law that says that news must be true. They used a technicality to override the needs of employees and readers.
MORA - Media Ownership Reform Act HR.3302 - Selecting the POTUS
Title: To amend the Communications Act of 1934 to prevent excessive concentration of ownership of the nation's media outlets, to restore fairness in broadcasting, and to foster and promote localism, diversity, and competition in the media.
* Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D, NY-22] and 16 Co-Sponsors
o Rep. Peter DeFazio [D, OR-4]
o Rep. Bob Filner [D, CA-51]
o Rep. Alcee Hastings [D, FL-23]
o Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9]
o Rep. Barbara Lee [D, CA-9]
o Rep. James McDermott [D, WA-7]
o Rep. James Moran [D, VA-8]
o Rep. Major Owens [D-NY]
o Sen. Bernard Sanders [I, VT]
o Rep. Janice Schakowsky [D, IL-9]
o Rep. Louise Slaughter [D, NY-28]
o Rep. Hilda Solis [D, CA-32]
o Rep. Fortney Stark [D, CA-13]
o Rep. Maxine Waters [D, CA-35]
o Rep. Diane Watson [D, CA-33]
o Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6]
www.airamerica.com/node/5037/239085#comment-239085
www.airamerica.com/node/6063/281504#comment-281504
www.opencongress.org/bill/109-h3302/show
www.petitiononline.com/MORMedia/petition.html
www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-3302
www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h108-4069
www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-3302
The American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 (H.R. 3835), was introduced by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul on October 15, 2007. The American Freedom Campaign is a non-partisan citizens' alliance formed to reverse the abuse of executive power and restore our system of checks and balances with ten goals.
www.airamerica.com/lionel/node/290/3185#Echoes
www.airamerica.com/lionel/node/321/3291#FreedomPledge
www.buzzflash.com/articles/interviews/077
There are at least four matters to consider in selecting the proper DEM candidate:
www.airamerica.com/7daysinamerica/node/65/17#SURVIVAL
www.airamerica.com/node/6384?comments_per_page=190#MyDruthersMetrics
BHO Tech Plan - Ethics and Lobbying Reform
Obama's tech agenda, including the CTO proposal, should play well with the employees at Google, the Mountain View search engine, where Obama will visit this afternoon, among other stops.
The CTO's mandate under the plan is significantly different from the cybersecurity czar position created by the Bush administration. The CTO's main responsibility would be to ensure the government holds open meetings and records live Webcasts of those meetings, and that blogging software, wikis (Web site pages where multiple people can edit a document at the same time) and open comments be used to communicate policies with Americans.
Obama's technology plan covers everything from providing new subsidies for Internet broadband access to increasing permanent visas for skilled immigrants.
http://politicalchat.net/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2477...
http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/11/15/obama-tech-platform
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/11/14/obama_shares_his_tech_plan_tod.php
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/danielleclarke/Cx84#conten...
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethics_and_lobbying_reform/print.php
BTW REMEMBER THIS?
www.airamerica.com/node/6063/281506#comment-281506
The Senate passed a defense policy bill for the 2008 budget year. It authorizes $696 billion in military spending, including $189 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But it does not actually send any money to the Pentagon.
"Congress has had plenty of time to consider the emergency funds our troops need," Bush said. "Time is running out, and Pentagon officials say that continued delay in funding our troops will soon begin to have a damaging impact on the operations of our military.
"Congress' responsibility is clear: They must deliver vital funds for our troops and they must do it before they leave for Christmas," Bush said. ...
polygamy - rare but often disgusting
the use of polygamy in the US is suppression and oppression. Children are married before they have graduated high school and can legally deny the process. They are married off by their family and have no recourse to fight. There are communities where there is no way to 'leave' because of their isolation.
Debating With Leftists
Thom Hartmann's just completed debate with Dinesh Dsouzza is a classic example of how leftists conduct debates in an attempt to support their ideology: they speak over their opponents and prevent them from talking. Thom Hartmann did this frequently during his debate with Dinesh, and Randi Rhoades does it all the time with those who disagree with her. Leftists probably do this because they know that fact-based arguements, like those given by Dsouzza, undermine the leftist philosophy and show that it isn't supported by fact; it's supported by feeing and nothing more. (Access the linked by post by by selecting the setting, "Date - oldest first" before clicking the link.)
Shedd: Oh, it's a LEFTIST THING ... I GET IT .. HA!
I was under the impression that was a trait of the lower class. Does that mean "leftists" are low lifes?
Once you get to know Dinesh, you'll realize he's putting on an act. He doesn't actually believe the trash he spews. What's your excuse? Are you genuinely ignorant like Michelle Malkin, just PSYCHOTIC like Coulter, or another BIG FAT IDIOT like Rush and O'Really?
Bush capitulates
I have often noted in the comments on various articles online:
Bush pulled troops from Saudi Arabia, which Osama wanted
Bush attacked Iraq - which Osama had wanted to do
Bush gave 400 million in arms and weapons to Saudi Arabia
Osama is still running around making CD's
So who won?????
let D'Souza speak and undermine his theories
Like Shedd, I find it frustrating to hear a talk show host talking loudly over top of a guest, but unlike Shedd, I agree with everything Thom had to say.
Part of my frustration with the debate was that people like Shedd now have an excuse for D'Souza's inability to adequately defend ridiculous ideas, blaming Thom for shouting him down. If D'Souza had the chance to speak clearly and make his points, we'd have a chance to see that his arguments just don't make sense.
Besides that complaint, I love the show and was very happy to hear Thom talk about the Fairness Doctrine at the beginning of the show. We need it back!
FIRST YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE CAVEMEN CAN FLY AND SURVIVE CRASHES!!!
The Bush regime was too blinded by its business ties to the Saudis to pay attention to the warnings.
Warnings came from at least 15 allied countries, multiple FBI investigations and other sources of intelligence that the attacks were imminent. It's possible these warnings were partly recognition of the "legend" of 9/11 being sown in advance of the events.
The claim that "focusing on foreknowledge is a distraction" - when in reality, allowing 9/11 to happen through conscious pseudo-negligence would be the largest crime in US history - even if the "wilder" claims (demolition, remote control) are not true.
www.oilempire.us/warnings.html
250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' Found in the CORPORATE Media. Connecting the dots.
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE!!!!!!
THE USA HAS NEVER COORDINATED FALSE FLAG REICHSTAG FIRE ATTACKS FOR THE GREATER GOOD, NOT!!!!!!!!!!
False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example, during Italy's strategy of tension.
But NOT the U.S.
It is logical to assume that, even if other countries have carried out false flag operations (especially horrible regimes such as, say, the Nazis or Stalin), the U.S. has never done so.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's your sign: http://pledgeforamerica.com/2.html
www.youtube.com/v/rD_I-KTGT3M
www.youtube.com/v/pG_oS8LOPyY
The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a U.S. Navy intelligence ship, USS Liberty, in international waters about 12.5 nautical miles (23 km) from the coast of the Sinai Peninsula, north of El Arish, by Israeli fighter planes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War (a conflict between Israel and the Arab states of Egypt, Jordan and Syria). The attack, which killed 34 U.S. servicemen and wounded at least 173, was the second deadliest against a U.S. Naval vessel since the end of World War II, surpassed only by the Iraqi Exocet missile attack on the USS Stark on May 17, 1987, and marked the single greatest loss of life by the U.S. intelligence community.
Israel's official position is that the attack was an accident. Officials say they were assured by the United States that no U.S. ships were in the area, and that its air and naval forces mistakenly identified Liberty as the Egyptian vessel El Quseir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident#Ongoing_Controversy_.2...
7 Of 19 'Hijackers' Alive After 911 - New OBL Video A Phoney
www.rense.com/general20/alives.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/evidence/welfarestate_hijackers...
www.youtube.com/v/f7ixuf236Dk
Mid-August-September 11, 2001: New York Air National Guard Unit in Saudi Arabia as Part of Operation Southern Watch
www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?before_9/11=militaryExercises&t...
About 100 members of the 174th Fighter Wing, part of the New York Air National Guard, are deployed to Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia, to patrol the no-fly zone over southern Iraq, as part of the ongoing Operation Southern Watch. This is the unit’s second deployment there, its first having been in March 2001. [Post-Standard (Syracuse), 9/11/2001; Post-Standard (Syracuse), 9/12/2001; US Congress, 3/1/2005; 174th Fighter Wing, 12/9/2005]
The 174th FW is located at Hancock Field Air National Guard Base, five miles north of Syracuse, in Central New York State. It is currently equipped with 17 F-16 fighters. These are kept in a six-bay shelter where they are, reportedly, “ready to fly in any weather, at a moment’s notice.� [Airman, 1/2001; Post-Standard (Syracuse), 9/25/2001; GlobalSecurity (.org), 4/26/2005] However, Hancock Field is not one of NORAD’s two “alert� sites in the northeast US. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] The unit has 350 full-time staff and 650 part-timers, who work one weekend each month plus two full weeks a year. [Post-Standard (Syracuse), 9/25/2001; Post-Standard (Syracuse), 10/24/2001]
The 100 members of the unit who go to Saudi Arabia are due to arrive back at Hancock Field at around 3 p.m. on 9/11, but as a consequence of the day’s events are diverted to Canada. [Post-Standard (Syracuse), 9/14/2001]
They will eventually arrive back at the base on September 14. [Post-Standard (Syracuse), 9/15/2001] In the months after 9/11, 174th FW fighters are involved in flying combat air patrols over New York City. [Post-Standard (Syracuse), 12/8/2001; New York State, 3/26/2003]
(6:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001: NORAD on Alert for Emergency Exercises
cooperativeresearch.org/ .. vigilant guardian
OPERATION Vigilant Guardian is “designed to run a range of scenarios, including a simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft,
NORAD’s war room in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado [Source: Val Gempis]Lieutenant Colonel Dawne Deskins and other day shift employees at NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) in Rome, NY, start their workday. NORAD is conducting a week-long, large-scale exercise called Vigilant Guardian. [Newhouse News Service, 1/25/2002] Deskins is regional mission crew chief for the Vigilant Guardian exercise. [ABC News, 9/11/2002]
Vigilant Guardian is described as “an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide�; as a “simulated air war�; and as “an air defense exercise simulating an attack on the United States.�
August 27, 2007: Esteemed Scientist Disputes Official 9/11 Account
cooperativeresearch.org/ ... USS Maine in 1898—which led to the Spanish American War—and the German Reichstag fire of 1933
Lynn Margulis, a distinguished professor in the department of geosciences at the University of Massachusetts, describes the US government’s account of 9/11 as a “fraud,� and calls for a new investigation of the attacks. In a statement published on the website PatriotsQuestion911.com, she writes,
She calls 9/11 a “false-flag operation� that has been used to justify the recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, along with “unprecedented assaults on research, education and civil liberties.�
She compares it to the sinking of the USS Maine in 1898—which led to the Spanish American War—and the German Reichstag fire of 1933, which facilitated the rise of the Nazi party. Some have alleged that these earlier events were orchestrated by governmental powers. Margulis has previously written extensively on a wide range of scientific topics, making original contributions to cell biology and microbial evolution, and is best known for her theory of symbiogenesis.
In 1999, she received the National Medal of Science, which is America’s highest honor for scientific achievement. Margulis says she came to her conclusions about 9/11 based on her own research and from reading two books about the attacks by retired theology professor David Ray Griffin (see March 1, 2004). She concludes her statement,
PEARL HARBOR - MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES
BBC Documentary: Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor
www.video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=499969763583352893
"...everything that the Japanese were planning to do was known to the United States..."
~ ARMY BOARD, 1944
www.whatreallyhappened.com/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.h...
President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.
FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -
1. denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
2. on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
3. having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.
PH WARNING AND DECISION
~ Professor Wohlstetter, 1962
www.whatreallyhappened.com/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/warning...
Since submarines were prevented from entering the harbor by a net, that leaves only one possiblity - air attack. The words "overt act" prove that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was subject to attack.
McCaskill
I live in MO and regret my vote for McCaskill. In every important vote I am aware of she has voted the same way that her Republican opponent Talent would have voted. McCaskill goes on a right wing local radio talk show and is so chummy and flirtatious with the host. It is sickening. MO is like the old Soviet Union. You can vote for the Republican or the "Democrat" that votes just like a Republican. There are no real "Democrats" that run for national office in MO. I will never vote for McCaskill again and if there were a real "Democrat" that ran against her I would volunteer to help that person. McCaskill is an 1850s southern Democrat.
Can U Count on Voting Machines? - Corporate vs MAINSTREAM Media
www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&ref=m...
www.youtube.com/v/FXE45ncH1a8
www.youtube.com/v/9PqL2hotdbM
www.youtube.com/v/fnUQczDktgI
THOM GET WITH THE PROGRAM "CODE" as per Richard Greene, et. al. linguistic QUEST
NOT A WAR - NOT MAINSTREAM
"There's nothing mainstream about the corporate media"
by Harvey Wasserman | February 10, 2008
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print/12742/
As we stumble toward another presidential election, it's never been more clear that our political process is being warped by a corporate stranglehold on the free flow of information. Amidst a virtual blackout of coverage of a horrific war, a global ecological crisis and an advancing economic collapse, what passes for the mass media is itself in collapse. What's left of our democracy teeters on the brink.
The culprit, in the parlance of the day, has been the "Mainstream Media," or MSM.
But that's wrong name for it. Today's mass media is Corporate, not Mainstream, and the distinction is critical.
Calling the Corporate Media (CM) "mainstream" implies that it speaks for mid-road opinion, and it absolutely does not.
There is, in fact, a discernable, tangible mainstream of opinion in this country. As brilliant analysts such as Jeff Cohen, Norman Solomon and the Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) organization have shown, the "MSM" is very far to the right of it.
The mainstream of American opinion wants this country out of Iraq. The Corporate Media does not. It refuses to give serious coverage to the devastating human, spiritual and economic costs of the war, and it marginalizes those demanding it end.
The mainstream of American opinion wants national health care. The CM does not.
The mainstream of American opinion is deeply distrustful and in many ways hostile to the power of large corporations. Obviously, the CM is not.
The mainstream of American opinion strongly questions whether our elections are being manipulated and stolen. The CM treats with contempt those who dare report on the issue.
The Corporate Media takes partisan stands (often in favor of the Republican Party, but always in defense of corporate interests) by sabotaging political candidacies, especially those of candidates who challenge corporate power. This year it blacklisted the populist candidacy of John Edwards, suffocating his ability to compete for the Democratic nomination. ...
Thankfully, just as the CM solidifies its power over our mass media outlets, the internet has burst forth as an open, wildly diverse medium for mainstream opinion and actual truth. Its preservation will require what Thomas Jefferson called "eternal vigilance."
That includes restoring the Fairness Doctrine, enacted by a Republican Congress in the 1920s to guarantee balanced opinion on the emerging electronic medium of radio. It means a ban on unified corporate ownership of large fleets of radio, TV and print outlets. It means busting up the monopolies that warp public access to information and opinion.
The word "mainstream" has nothing to do with the massively monopolized machine that has a chokehold on our democracy. It's the "Corporate Media," and there's nothing mainstream about it.
How Leftist's Win Arguements....
....the only way they know how - by talking over, interrupting, or shouting down their opponents. This is why the left - not the right - is by far the greatest threat to democracy that western nations have ever known, including, and especially, our own.